Everyone needs to relax! On Paper this is the most talented roster we've EVER had

[yosemiteben]

I agree with the point about us not exactly ditching all of our young talent.

Nice to see some new folks up in here. Stick around!

[BeesWax]

Current Rotation:
Al / Bismack / Kaminsky
Zeller / Hawes
MKG / Marvin
Batum / Lamb / PJ
Kemba / Roberts

I just dont get all the "mortgaging the future" talk everyone is using...Unless you assume that Vonleh will be a superstar, which he has the tools to do but its a HUGE what if scenario, what have we mortgaged?

Players lost ages:
Lance-24
Hendo-27
Vonleh-19

Players gained ages:
Frank-22
Hawes-27
Lamb-23
Batum-26

Where is all this age we've picked up? Seems to me, apart from Vonleh, we are about a wash. Sure, Vonleh could be great, and I would love to still have him too, but this team is far more balanced and talented on paper right now than last years team...Vonleh looks to be at least a few years off and the rest of the team is entering or exiting their prime right now...we need to win at least some games soon, Id rather not be the 76ers...But in the end, none of us know anything and we shall see.

You also need to count Winslow as a loss by picking Frank. The true issue is Batum and Lamb are both on the last years of their deals. So we gave up our most gifted young prospect for a guy who can very easily leave after the year. We took a less talented prospect and traded a very talent prospect which to me says we are going win now even if it means we are terrible the following year.

[They_Them_Hatin]

It's probably for the best that I haven't been on RealGM since the draft. Now that I'm a little less heated about the moves we've made, here's what I'm thinking.

The Batum for Vonleh+Henderson trade: this upsets me. It's weird because before the 2014 draft, I would've traded #9 and Henderson for Nicolas Batum- I like Batum a lot but we had no idea we'd land Vonleh with that pick, and Batum did not play well last season. On top of that he's a free agent in a year. Moving such a talented player such as Vonleh means we're pretty much forced to retain Batum at all costs, which is going to drive up his cost substantially. I really do like Batum, but I hate this trade.

The move for Jeremy Lamb: the lone good move of the offseason. In the end, we flipped Lance and a 2nd rounder for Hawes and Lamb, and I'm alright with that deal.

Passing on Winslow for Frank Kaminsky when we already had two offense-first big men that can't play defense: this is how GMs get fired. It's clear that our blind love of Frank Kaminsky is what sent Noah Vonleh packing and then us reaching for Kaminsky and turning down an offer of FOUR FIRST ROUND PICKS INCLUDING THE BROOKLYN PICK. I've been wrong before, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Vonleh+Winslow or Vonleh+four 1sts has a much higher chance of succeeding long-term than Frank Kaminsky and potentially just one year of Nicolas Batum, especially with Al and Hawes already here.

What's next: these moves have me really scared for now and for the future. This is the most talented team this franchise has had - no real questions there, but trading a high-end Vonleh after one year where he never saw the floor and stockpiling bad defensive big men are enormous steps towards becoming a Toronto Raptors-like team treading water, rather than an Atlanta Hawks-like team that could feasibly see the Eastern Conference finals for years to come if they keep the group together. I'm now more worried than I've ever been that Bismack may not get brought back and that Zeller, Al, Hawes, Kaminsky, and Marvin is going to be our big man rotation next season. Re-signing Biz is non-negotiable and would drive me absolutely insane if we didn't.

We STILL don't have a pure scorer next to Kemba. Batum is no more a scorer than Gerald Henderson is, we have no idea what Jeremy Lamb is, and we passed on Justice Winslow. I'm happy that every acquisition so far provides spacing, which is something we desperately need, and it obviously a step in the right direction, but we simply mortgaged our future far too much in order to make it happen.

Wait was it officially confirmed that the Brooklyn pick was included ? I thought it was some weak pick like the Philly pick that'll be 2 2nds next season and the Dallas pick plus 16 and 28. Just when I finally calmed down about everything but Lamb trade (such a great buy low) I'm mad again. We could have had Oubre (Hawks just wanted Grant to trade for THjr) or even Booker if the Heat passed on him, (I can't see Riley taking an 18 year old )the Suns and Jazz wanted Frank, Turner , or Lyles ,Pacers and OkC wanted Turner and Payne then we could have used 28 to dump Marvin for some cap space to sign Biz and most importantly still have Vonleh. So we gave up Vonleh,Winslow and Biz or Vonleh+ Oubre or Booker+Biz+ 2016 8-15 1st , 2016 31st and 2017 35th for one year of Batum and spent a top 9 pick on someone who at best will be a meh role player? One more year guys.

[CatgutStitches]

The thing is I dont personally feel you can count Winslow or Frank as a win or loss at this point. In your eyes Winslow is far better apparently but none of us know whats going to happen. Maybe Winslow will flame out and Frank will put up 20 and 10, Maybe Winslow is the next coming of Scottie Pippen and Frank is Bargnani...Fact is, we dont know so you cant just assume not drafting Winslow was the wrong move.

And as good as Vonleh CAN be and as good as his tools are, there is no telling what hes going to be either. Batums one year deal is slightly concerning, but in my eyes the teams makeup makes a lot more sense now for todays NBA. Vonleh didnt appear to be cracking the rotation any time soon. Again I bring up the sixers, as sexy as all their draft picks are every year and as awesome as they become in NBA2k, they dont ever win any damn games! Lol, I couldnt imagine being a fan of theirs with the constant promise of "some day" At a certain point you have to win games, and as critical as I am about some of the off season moves, this team very well could win games AND is still young and skilled enough to build upon it.

[Chapelchilla]

I didn't like us not playing Vonleh last year but I am hoping that they had a good reason not too. As far as trading Vonleh goes, I am going to defer to the fact that Cho, MJ and Clifford saw the guy play in practice a whole lot more then any of us did. They reached the conclusion that Batum was worth more then Vonleh after seeing what he could do all year. Maybe they are onto something.

[Chapelchilla]

Or maybe they are just on something...

[Bassman]

Still comes down to our front office and coach. They decided Noah was slow to grasp the NBA. Late appearances tell me otherwise, especially combined with his rare set of skills and physical abilities. If they are wrong it will just be another incompetence mark on their NBA tombstone. Cliff only has his old Orlando experience to build on. He sees everything through that filter. I am sure the players like him, but he is unimaginative in preparation and dim witted during games.

I can see now the roster is more talented. If it all goes sideways this year we are a bust, as Batum might leave. If Noah explodes in success these people bear the mark of shame. If I were them I would put back significant savings from my salary ASAP.

[CatgutStitches]

Still comes down to our front office and coach. They decided Noah was slow to grasp the NBA. Late appearances tell me otherwise, especially combined with his rare set of skills and physical abilities. If they are wrong it will just be another incompetence mark on their NBA tombstone. Cliff only has his old Orlando experience to build on. He sees everything through that filter. I am sure the players like him, but he is unimaginative in preparation and dim witted during games.

I can see now the roster is more talented. If it all goes sideways this year we are a bust, as Batum might leave. If Noah explodes in success these people bear the mark of shame. If I were them I would put back significant savings from my salary ASAP.

Agree completely, this regime doesnt have more than a year if they dont at least make the playoffs this year...this roster is tailor made for Alffense, lets see what they can do.

[BeesWax]

The thing is I dont personally feel you can count Winslow or Frank as a win or loss at this point. In your eyes Winslow is far better apparently but none of us know whats going to happen. Maybe Winslow will flame out and Frank will put up 20 and 10, Maybe Winslow is the next coming of Scottie Pippen and Frank is Bargnani...Fact is, we dont know so you cant just assume not drafting Winslow was the wrong move.

And as good as Vonleh CAN be and as good as his tools are, there is no telling what hes going to be either. Batums one year deal is slightly concerning, but in my eyes the teams makeup makes a lot more sense now for todays NBA. Vonleh didnt appear to be cracking the rotation any time soon. Again I bring up the sixers, as sexy as all their draft picks are every year and as awesome as they become in NBA2k, they dont ever win any damn games! Lol, I couldnt imagine being a fan of theirs with the constant promise of "some day" At a certain point you have to win games, and as critical as I am about some of the off season moves, this team very well could win games AND is still young and skilled enough to build upon it.

My point was you counted Frank as an add and if you do the cost was Winslow. I agree we added some help this year but we also do not have as much potential on the roster anymore. If we lose Batum at the end of the season it becomes a terrible move. If we have to overpay to keep a role player to save face for our coach it becomes a bad move. We just gave up to much for a guy on a one year deal coming off a bad year.

[Liver_Pooty]

New posters left and right. I like it.

[DY_nasty]

Still comes down to our front office and coach. They decided Noah was slow to grasp the NBA. Late appearances tell me otherwise, especially combined with his rare set of skills and physical abilities. If they are wrong it will just be another incompetence mark on their NBA tombstone. Cliff only has his old Orlando experience to build on. He sees everything through that filter. I am sure the players like him, but he is unimaginative in preparation and dim witted during games.

I can see now the roster is more talented. If it all goes sideways this year we are a bust, as Batum might leave. If Noah explodes in success these people bear the mark of shame. If I were them I would put back significant savings from my salary ASAP.

It could also be a case like Thomas Robinson - sell high while you can *shrug*

I don't like it, but I love the idea of a healthy Batum given more room to create - and Batum paired on the wings with MKG is the same kind of scary combo that GS (iguodala/draymond) and SA (green/kawhi) have on defense. Noah... I liked him. I really, really did but you can't walk away from every trade with all the big money.

Cho's trades have almost always been amazing so I'll just have to continue to have faith in his evaluation of value.