Lance Traded to Clippers for Hawes and Barnes

[gipper08]

When you play with kemba and al you are standing in the corner. When you play with Paul and Blake you are working the baseline.

[Liver_Pooty]

When you play with kemba and al you are standing in the corner. When you play with Paul and Blake you are working the baseline.

Literally no one thus far (albeit preseason) has been standing in any corner. Our ball movement is greatly improved.

[gipper08]

When you play with kemba and al you are standing in the corner. When you play with Paul and Blake you are working the baseline.

Literally no one thus far (albeit preseason) has been standing in any corner. Our ball movement is greatly improved.

Good. Now you need to defend.

[yosemiteben]

When you play with kemba and al you are standing in the corner. When you play with Paul and Blake you are working the baseline.

Lance handled the ball constantly, he just didn't do anything productive with it. I think we all remember the many times Lance pounded the air out of the ball only to turn it over, brick a shot, or pull it back and aimlessly swing it around the perimeter. Can you blame Cliff for that? Sure, maybe we should have had better movement. That's not Lance's argument though - he said he just stood in the corner. That's no where close to accurate.

Ironically you're criticizing Cliff for forcing Lance to do something he didn't actually do (stand in the corner), while simultaneously saying LAC should force Lance to do the very thing you are criticizing Cliff for doing.

[gipper08]

When you play with kemba and al you are standing in the corner. When you play with Paul and Blake you are working the baseline.

Lance handled the ball constantly, he just didn't do anything productive with it. I think we all remember the many times Lance pounded the air out of the ball only to turn it over, brick a shot, or pull it back and aimlessly swing it around the perimeter. Can you blame Cliff for that? Sure, maybe we should have had better movement. That's not Lance's argument though - he said he just stood in the corner. That's no where close to accurate.

Ironically you're criticizing Cliff for forcing Lance to do something he didn't actually do (stand in the corner), while simultaneously saying LAC should force Lance to do the very thing you are criticizing Cliff for doing.

Let's not revisit this other than to say when lance got his first demotion kemba was also horrid despite much more rope to get out of the hole. Which is to lances point of his treatment. I would also think lance believes pounding the ball while looking for cutters as they stand still to him is the equivalent of being ballless in the corner. But I could be wrong. Also when he is in the corner in ind or lac he knows if he cuts he gets hit. In cha I have never seen a team so risk averse or incompetent as to hitting cutters.

[yosemiteben]

I would also think lance believes pounding the ball while looking for cutters as they stand still to him is the equivalent of being ballless in the corner. But I could be wrong.

"They never gave me the ball, I just stood in the corner" =/= "I constantly had the ball on the perimeter, not the corner, but other players just didn't move enough."

I think he's just full of it.

[gipper08]

I would also think lance believes pounding the ball while looking for cutters as they stand still to him is the equivalent of being ballless in the corner. But I could be wrong.

"They never gave me the ball, I just stood in the corner" =/= "I constantly had the ball on the perimeter, not the corner, but other players just didn't move enough."

I think he's just full of it.

He is not very articulate. My point going forward is that because he had a dominate all star type camp that he thinks he is back and all is well. He is wrong and he should be careful.

[Snidely FC]

For those of you pondering Lance's credibility, here is a brief history of Lance Stephenson's "Career":

In the summer of 2005, Stephenson enrolled at Bishop Loughlin Memorial High School, but he only attended the school for three days, before the school lost in the championship game of a youth league and he did not win the tournament MVP.

Stephenson tattooed his nickname on his right biceps, and also allowed a video crew to document his life for an online reality show titled "Born Ready"

In July 2008, Stephenson tried out for the United States national team's under-18 team, but was cut because of chemistry reasons.

His official visit to Maryland in February came under scrutiny after he was given a tour of the Under Armour headquarters during his visit. This may have constituted a recruiting violation.

On May 20, the last day of the late signing period, Stephenson had not signed a letter of intent, but his father Lance Sr. told USA Today that he would not make a decision until his sexual assault case from October was resolved.

In January 2008, Stephenson was suspended from school for five days and missed two games following an altercation with a teammate

In October that year, he was arrested for groping a 17-year-old inside the school.

He faced a sexual assault charge, and his parents ended the "Born Ready" reality show following the arrest.

On August 15, 2010, Stephenson was arrested for third-degree assault after allegedly pushing his girlfriend down a flight of stairs.

A criminal complaint provided by the Brooklyn district attorney's office said that as the woman lay at the bottom of the stairs, Stephenson picked up her head and slammed it on the bottom step.

When police arrived, Stephenson told them the woman had fallen down the stairs.

[HornetJail]

I maintain that we lost this trade

[amcoolio]

Well we got Lamb out of it. Lance and Hawes are both busts.

[Liver_Pooty]

Matt Barnes is a punk, but I wouldn't mind having him at SF right now.

[yosemiteben]

I maintain that we lost this trade

Do you need a post of the stupid **** Lance has done so far this season? Lamb alone would have been a massive upgrade.

[HornetJail]

I feel like we'd have gotten Lamb one way or another. Lamb is easily better, but we're stuck with Hawes for the next three years. He's garbage.

[Liver_Pooty]

This might be a case of where neither team really won. Hawes isn't playing well right now, but his contract, although long is pretty good.

[yosemiteben]

I feel like we'd have gotten Lamb one way or another. Lamb is easily better, but we're stuck with Hawes for the next three years. He's garbage.

You can't judge value on a trade by just assuming you would get the same value another way. Trading Lance was easily worth it just to get Lamb.

[Braggins]

Yep, im with LP. Neither team really won at this point. We made a Lance trade where we somehow got the worst player in the deal lol, but at least we got rid of Lance. Hawes days in the rotation should be numbered. Lance might end up being decent for LA.

[MasterIchiro]

The way I look at it, we're better off with this Lance trade than the one that fell through and nearly everyone wanted unanimously. In that deal where the Nets GM backed out at the last minute, we were getting Jarrett Jack and Jeremy Lamb for Lance. We still have Lamb, and Hawes unfortunately but the absence of Jack opened the door for Lin. I'd rather have Lin than Jack and would accept Hawes over Maxiell.

[Diop]

I feel like we'd have gotten Lamb one way or another. Lamb is easily better, but we're stuck with Hawes for the next three years. He's garbage.

Not sure if true, I remember reading that the Barnes deal was essential to get lamb. They wanted to cut as much money as possible.