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Re: GT: Hornets vs Bulls Tue Nov3 7PM EST 

Post#381 » by steady » Wed Nov 4, 2015 1:23 pm

Like in the second game against Hawks, Clifford played Batum with bench (Lin - Lamb - Zeller - Hawes) for several minutes -- this time at end of 1st quarter for 3:14 minutes and at end of 3d quarter for 1:40 minutes

This unit again did very well. They scored 11 points in 3:11 minutes against Hawks. They scored 11 points in 3:14 minutes against Bulls at end of 1st quarter. (To give a sense of what that means, if a team scored at that clip for entire game they woukd score close to 170 points)

In that 3 minute stretch in Hawks game, they extended Hornets lead from 2 to 6; they extended lead from 10 to 17 in that three minute span in 1st quarter against Bulls.

In the 3d quarte, that unit scored 7 points in 1:40 minutes. Although they did not extend lead at all

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Interesting comparison : Clifford also played this unit but replacing Lin with Kemba for a few minutes near end of 3d quarter against Bulls bench. They also did very well. They scored 9 points in 2:40 minutes, and extended the lead by 2.

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It's hard to draw a lot of conclusions from this game because the team was shooting out of it's collective mind. But these are all good signs regarding the teams flexibility and depth
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Bulls Tue Nov3 7PM EST 

Post#382 » by Roy Tarpley » Wed Nov 4, 2015 1:23 pm

I suspect from the Miami and ATL games that we don't match well with athletic, well-rounded teams.
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Post#383 » by yosemiteben » Wed Nov 4, 2015 2:04 pm

DY_nasty wrote:ya know... after a few games, I'm starting to think that Biz was a product of our defensive system and general team rebounding.

we're not AWFUL protecting the rim at all. hell, we're doing a really good job when the team is awake on defense and committed to stopping the drive

still early, but wondering if anyone else feels the same way

I've said it before but it merits repeating...When Biz and MKG were playing big minutes under Dunlap, we were last in the league in defense. Clifford's first year, he cut Biz's minutes in half, dropped MKG's minutes, and we were a top 5 defense.

He knows what he is doing.
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Bulls Tue Nov3 7PM EST 

Post#384 » by chabber » Wed Nov 4, 2015 2:25 pm

DY_nasty wrote:ya know... after a few games, I'm starting to think that Biz was a product of our defensive system and general team rebounding.

we're not AWFUL protecting the rim at all. hell, we're doing a really good job when the team is awake on defense and committed to stopping the drive

still early, but wondering if anyone else feels the same way


Yesterday was better, but the last game against ATL, it felt like they were running a layup line. Off memory I know they destroyed us on points in the paint. Not sure of percentages.
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Bulls Tue Nov3 7PM EST 

Post#385 » by BobsBuddy » Wed Nov 4, 2015 2:30 pm

:D :D :D Last nights game was outstanding both offensively and defensively...especially the 1st half. If you look at the way we have started we could be 3-1 instead of 1-3 had we made some shots down the stretch. Even without MKG,we should get back to .500 quickly. I agree that Coach knows what he is doing. :nod:
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Bulls Tue Nov3 7PM EST 

Post#386 » by steady » Wed Nov 4, 2015 3:21 pm

in the nine minute stretch in first half when it was mostly our bench players facing their bench unit, the Hornets lead went from 7 to 24.
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Bulls Tue Nov3 7PM EST 

Post#387 » by Vae Victus » Wed Nov 4, 2015 5:53 pm

THis game was such a shooting outlier its hard to take anything of analytical value, was the ball moving well or were people just dropping shots like crazy and it didnt matter what the defense did. Regardless, hopefully this type of play keeps up.
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Bulls Tue Nov3 7PM EST 

Post#388 » by tonman » Wed Nov 4, 2015 7:27 pm

fatlever wrote:
leeramundo wrote:
fatlever wrote:btw, how good does Atlanta's defense look in comparison? We could barely complete a pass or get in the paint against them and we maybe had 5 open shots in two games.


I've been watching the game for almost a decade here and there but never really analyzed the game as much as I could. Facing defenses like we saw in Atlanta and Miami, what can we do to combat it?


I think we were really missing a threat to attack the rim, either off the dribble (coming off screen) or the roll man diving to the rim (someone like Cody). Hawks had no respect for anyone on our team attacking the rim, therefor they were trapping off the screens aggressively and looking to jump passing lanes any time we starting a drive, because they knew our guards were looking to kick it back to the perimeter.

Our bigs hitting a few jumpers would have helped pull Atlanta's big out of the paint a little, which would have giving us a little more room to attack the rim.

Another thing that would have helped would be to push the tempo, get some quick looks before they can get that defense set. Kemba has, at times in the past and first 3 games, struggled to push the ball of the floor quickly.

We just don't really have that guard/wing who can get in the lane and draw fouls or finish thru contact. And we don't have a roll man who teams fear coming off a screen.


you need to look at the bigger picture. Miami/Atlanta knows that the PNR guard (Kemba/Lin) will hurt them if they don't stop the penetration. That's a good thing. The bad thing is not having the plays in case the penetration is stopped. If the Chicago game is a "fix" to that, then great [caveat I could not see the game]. As for your assertion that not having a guard that can draw fouls, both Kemba and Lin are averaging 4.8 FTA per game. Despite only 4 games, Lin is still taking less than 9 FGA per game but with a 1.475 PPS, he's getting to the line because he's only shooting 37% (46% from 3 also).

I do agree the pace needs to be pushed as that helps in keeping the defense from getting set. But a lot is going to be how other team's defenses is set up to stop our new offense. all folks want to do is go back to pointing at individual players. no, it's the whole offensive scheme that needs to be continuously be tweaked. we know an issue with the offense, now how are we going to resolve it without going Kemba/Lin needs to penetrate more. The can't if the defense is purposely trying to stop that. now what.
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Bulls Tue Nov3 7PM EST 

Post#389 » by Lorenzomax7 » Thu Nov 5, 2015 5:48 am

steady wrote:Like in the second game against Hawks, Clifford played Batum with bench (Lin - Lamb - Zeller - Hawes) for several minutes -- this time at end of 1st quarter for 3:14 minutes and at end of 3d quarter for 1:40 minutes

This unit again did very well. They scored 11 points in 3:11 minutes against Hawks. They scored 11 points in 3:14 minutes against Bulls at end of 1st quarter. (To give a sense of what that means, if a team scored at that clip for entire game they woukd score close to 170 points)

In that 3 minute stretch in Hawks game, they extended Hornets lead from 2 to 6; they extended lead from 10 to 17 in that three minute span in 1st quarter against Bulls.

In the 3d quarte, that unit scored 7 points in 1:40 minutes. Although they did not extend lead at all

--
Interesting comparison : Clifford also played this unit but replacing Lin with Kemba for a few minutes near end of 3d quarter against Bulls bench. They also did very well. They scored 9 points in 2:40 minutes, and extended the lead by 2.

--

It's hard to draw a lot of conclusions from this game because the team was shooting out of it's collective mind. But these are all good signs regarding the teams flexibility and depth


Lin + Chandler Parsons
Lin + Nic Batum


Same method same result. :D
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