GT: Hornets vs Wolves Tue Nov10 8PM EST

[tyusedney]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article44216637.html

Clifford says, don't expect changes to bench or starters.

how bout a change in the coaching staff?

[MasterIchiro]

Unlike Hendo, Lamb doesn't need 10-15 seconds of iso to get his shot off. MKG would take the tougher wing and Kemba would have an escape route when he overdribbles. I think Lamb is the perfect complement. The difference between Horford and Batum seals it for me. Horford gives interior D that Batum can't give so what you lose on defense between Batum and Lamb you more than make up for it between Jefferson and Horford. If Lamb develops some consistency on a nightly basis, I hope the front office has its priorities straight in free agency. Batum is the most they could get for either Cody or Vonleh when they shopped them. So be it. That was their value. That's a drafting issue that seems to be continuing with Frank.

[yosemiteben]

Even if I agreed that it could possibly be a good decision to plan to let Batum walk (which I don't), this is absurdly premature. I'll leave it at that.

[Mystical Apples]

Unlike Hendo, Lamb doesn't need 10-15 seconds of iso to get his shot off.

A shot no, a pass yes.

[Snidely FC]

Lamb is absolutely horrible in his interviews.

*blank stare for 5 seconds* "Umm, first off I gotta give glory to god" lol

Lol that was awkward as hell.

He was kind of sheepish.

But seriously, I think that 5 second stare was him trying to contain his punk ass trying not to scream, "I'm confused, how can you vote me player of the game when I only played two minutes in the second half? See this, coach, I got a bottle of Sprite and you couldn't even put me in in the second half! What's a matter, 80% shooting not good enough for you???"

So, good on ya for being the team playa, Jeremy.

But seriously, I hope Clifford was just saving the leg of Lamb for leftovers tonight.

[JDR720]

if we let Batum walk it will be because we want to pool together some money to sign a legitimate star player. Kemba/Lamb and MKG make a little over 30million combined for the next 3-4 years. resign Zeller and Nic for about 25 million combined (Nic 18/Zeller 7). Frank will be making around 3million by then i think.

So...
Kemba 12
MKG 13
Lamb 7
Nic 18
Zeller 7
Frank 3

thats 60 million, if the cap goes up as much as its supposed to we should have 30+ million to spend on the rest of the team.

10 million dollar PG/Kemba
Batum/Lamb
MKG/ D-League/rookie/cheap vet
Frank/ D-League/rookie/ cheap vet
20 milloon dollar C/Zeller

depending on who the new players are that team should be really solid

[MasterIchiro]

If there is enough space then I'm ok with bringing back Batum. I really want Horford though.

I'd take Lin back for 7-8 million and spread the rest.

I don't like Batum at SG. I'd almost rather use MKG on the 2nd unit and start Lamb with Batum.

[yosemiteben]

In my mind there is no difference between the labels SG and SF. There are primary ballhandlers that dribble the ball up the court and initiate the offense, and then there are wings. Some wings look more for their own shot, others are better at facilitating ball movement.

[ChokeFasncists]

I'm just gonna say it. Lamb is our best scorer and Zeller is by far our best center. Kemba, Lamb, Batum, Marv, Zeller. Thats our starting lineup. If only it wasn't a pipe dream to think we might ever actually start our best lineup.

IMO Kemba is better suited to be instant offense off the bench whereas Lin is better at getting other scorers involved. He's gotta tone down on his TO (none tonight!) and be able to play well consistently tho.

Well, Kemba is averaging more assists per 36 minutes (6.2 to 5.1 before this game) and has a higher Ast% and assist/TO ratio. So, I'm not sure how Lin is doing a better job of getting people involved. Kemba is also shooting a better % from the field. Before this game he was shooting better from deep as well, but that might change since he went 0-5. Kemba also has a higher PER and is playing the bulk of his minutes against starters, whereas Lin has played more against second units and doesn't have to play nearly as minutes with Al.

It's new team, new teammates, new shooting form, new role, new team philosophy, new coach for Lin. Lin can average upwards of 7 assists easily with the right personnel/scheme whereas Kemba around 5-6. Hawes passing up/bricking wide open threes, Cody not finishing, he could have been averaging more assists if he plays with better scorers. It's more about the nature of their game rather than their performance that I'm talking about tho. Lin probably prefers passing every time if he's surrounded by great finishers and shooters and the team wins. Kemba isn't really a pass first PG IMO and it's probably not really a good thing to try to turn him into one.

I honestly don't think there would be a big difference either way between Kemba and Lin starting, however, Kemba has played better so far and he is the guy we have a bunch of money committed to. He is going to be the starter unless Lin clearly outplays over an extended period of time. Either way, I want Lin to get more minutes. PJs minutes should mostly be split up between Lamb and Lin in my opinion. I think Lin should get a consistent 25+ mpg and get plenty of opportunities to attack while on the floor. I don't like the way we are using him and I think we are somewhat wasting him.

You're right, that's not happening any time soon. The money is important, as is him being here for a while. I'm definitely not calling for the change now. Kemba is really inconsistent with his scoring. His shooting percentages isn't going to stay. Unless Lin plays bad, his will probably climb. Kemba handles the ball so much he gets some assists but he doesn't give teammates easy shots. He would make a great instant offense off the bench tho. He can heat up quick and he's got great handle. He is quicker than everyone on the floor but he's a bit undersized as a starter.

[Braggins]

IMO Kemba is better suited to be instant offense off the bench whereas Lin is better at getting other scorers involved. He's gotta tone down on his TO (none tonight!) and be able to play well consistently tho.

Well, Kemba is averaging more assists per 36 minutes (6.2 to 5.1 before this game) and has a higher Ast% and assist/TO ratio. So, I'm not sure how Lin is doing a better job of getting people involved. Kemba is also shooting a better % from the field. Before this game he was shooting better from deep as well, but that might change since he went 0-5. Kemba also has a higher PER and is playing the bulk of his minutes against starters, whereas Lin has played more against second units and doesn't have to play nearly as minutes with Al.

It's new team, new teammates, new shooting form, new role, new team philosophy, new coach for Lin. Lin can average upwards of 7 assists easily with the right personnel/scheme whereas Kemba around 5-6. Hawes passing up/bricking wide open threes, Cody not finishing, he could have been averaging more assists if he plays with better scorers. It's more about the nature of their game rather than their performance that I'm talking about tho. Lin probably prefers passing every time if he's surrounded by great finishers and shooters and the team wins. Kemba isn't really a pass first PG IMO and it's probably not really a good thing to try to turn him into one.

I honestly don't think there would be a big difference either way between Kemba and Lin starting, however, Kemba has played better so far and he is the guy we have a bunch of money committed to. He is going to be the starter unless Lin clearly outplays over an extended period of time. Either way, I want Lin to get more minutes. PJs minutes should mostly be split up between Lamb and Lin in my opinion. I think Lin should get a consistent 25+ mpg and get plenty of opportunities to attack while on the floor. I don't like the way we are using him and I think we are somewhat wasting him.

You're right, that's not happening any time soon. The money is important, as is him being here for a while. I'm definitely not calling for the change now. Kemba is really inconsistent with his scoring. His shooting percentages isn't going to stay. Unless Lin plays bad, his will probably climb. Kemba handles the ball so much he gets some assists but he doesn't give teammates easy shots. He would make a great instant offense off the bench tho. He can heat up quick and he's got great handle. He is quicker than everyone on the floor but he's a bit undersized as a starter.

Lin plays with more spacing, more shooting, and better players for getting assists on the second unit. Im not buying that excuse at all about why Lin isnt getting more assists. PJ cant hit any shots and Al is horrible at catching and finishing around the basket when someone drives and dish. Kemba also plays a decent amount of minutes with a PJ/Cody/Al frontcourt. Before the NY game Lins shooting % was below 40% and all his overall stats were worse. Theyve both had their ups and downs so far. People need to chill out.

[ChokeFasncists]

Well, Kemba is averaging more assists per 36 minutes (6.2 to 5.1 before this game) and has a higher Ast% and assist/TO ratio. So, I'm not sure how Lin is doing a better job of getting people involved. Kemba is also shooting a better % from the field. Before this game he was shooting better from deep as well, but that might change since he went 0-5. Kemba also has a higher PER and is playing the bulk of his minutes against starters, whereas Lin has played more against second units and doesn't have to play nearly as minutes with Al.

It's new team, new teammates, new shooting form, new role, new team philosophy, new coach for Lin. Lin can average upwards of 7 assists easily with the right personnel/scheme whereas Kemba around 5-6. Hawes passing up/bricking wide open threes, Cody not finishing, he could have been averaging more assists if he plays with better scorers. It's more about the nature of their game rather than their performance that I'm talking about tho. Lin probably prefers passing every time if he's surrounded by great finishers and shooters and the team wins. Kemba isn't really a pass first PG IMO and it's probably not really a good thing to try to turn him into one.

I honestly don't think there would be a big difference either way between Kemba and Lin starting, however, Kemba has played better so far and he is the guy we have a bunch of money committed to. He is going to be the starter unless Lin clearly outplays over an extended period of time. Either way, I want Lin to get more minutes. PJs minutes should mostly be split up between Lamb and Lin in my opinion. I think Lin should get a consistent 25+ mpg and get plenty of opportunities to attack while on the floor. I don't like the way we are using him and I think we are somewhat wasting him.

You're right, that's not happening any time soon. The money is important, as is him being here for a while. I'm definitely not calling for the change now. Kemba is really inconsistent with his scoring. His shooting percentages isn't going to stay. Unless Lin plays bad, his will probably climb. Kemba handles the ball so much he gets some assists but he doesn't give teammates easy shots. He would make a great instant offense off the bench tho. He can heat up quick and he's got great handle. He is quicker than everyone on the floor but he's a bit undersized as a starter.

Lin plays with more spacing, more shooting, and better players for getting assists on the second unit. Im not buying that excuse at all about why Lin isnt getting more assists. PJ cant hit any shots and Al is horrible at catching and finishing around the basket when someone drives and dish. Kemba also plays a decent amount of minutes with a PJ/Cody/Al frontcourt. Before the NY game Lins shooting % was below 40% and all his overall stats were worse. Theyve both had their ups and downs so far. People need to chill out.

I'm pretty chill, I was mainly talking about their general tendencies, not really their recent performances.

If Al is horrible then Hawrible is...... Cody has been playing real bad until the last two games and recently he had been fouled and shot two free throws many times. Lamb has only recently start to get his spot up going.

That bit isn't very important anyways. New philosophy, new coach, new mentality, new role, it's gonna take a little bit of time. I see that he is trying to cut his TOs and is sacrificing the more risky threading the needles passes. Kemba OTOH, is in a relatively stable environment.

Lin's normal FG% is around 44% whereas Kemba is closer to 40%. Things could certainly change but that's what I'm talking about, they are who they are at this point. Lin is still trying to find himself after the debacle in Houston and LA. He is still improving and he's got a long way to go.

[Braggins]

It's new team, new teammates, new shooting form, new role, new team philosophy, new coach for Lin. Lin can average upwards of 7 assists easily with the right personnel/scheme whereas Kemba around 5-6. Hawes passing up/bricking wide open threes, Cody not finishing, he could have been averaging more assists if he plays with better scorers. It's more about the nature of their game rather than their performance that I'm talking about tho. Lin probably prefers passing every time if he's surrounded by great finishers and shooters and the team wins. Kemba isn't really a pass first PG IMO and it's probably not really a good thing to try to turn him into one.

You're right, that's not happening any time soon. The money is important, as is him being here for a while. I'm definitely not calling for the change now. Kemba is really inconsistent with his scoring. His shooting percentages isn't going to stay. Unless Lin plays bad, his will probably climb. Kemba handles the ball so much he gets some assists but he doesn't give teammates easy shots. He would make a great instant offense off the bench tho. He can heat up quick and he's got great handle. He is quicker than everyone on the floor but he's a bit undersized as a starter.

Lin plays with more spacing, more shooting, and better players for getting assists on the second unit. Im not buying that excuse at all about why Lin isnt getting more assists. PJ cant hit any shots and Al is horrible at catching and finishing around the basket when someone drives and dish. Kemba also plays a decent amount of minutes with a PJ/Cody/Al frontcourt. Before the NY game Lins shooting % was below 40% and all his overall stats were worse. Theyve both had their ups and downs so far. People need to chill out.

I'm pretty chill, I was mainly talking about their general tendencies, not really their recent performances.

If Al is horrible then Hawrible is...... Cody has been playing real bad until the last two games and recently he had been fouled and shot two free throws many times. Lamb has only recently start to get his spot up going.

That bit isn't very important anyways. New philosophy, new coach, new mentality, new role, it's gonna take a little bit of time. I see that he is trying to cut his TOs and is sacrificing the more risky threading the needles passes. Kemba OTOH, is in a relatively stable environment.

Lin's normal FG% is around 44% whereas Kemba is closer to 40%. Things could certainly change but that's what I'm talking about, they are who they are at this point. Lin is still trying to find himself after the debacle in Houston and LA. He is still improving and he's got a long way to go.

Well, Hawes is unfathomably awful, but he does create more space than Al. Lin is generally playing in lineups with our best pick and roll threat (Cody) and 3 shooters (Hawes isn't exactly a shooter, but relative to Al he is). He also is playing most of his minutes with our best shooter and off-ball player. Kemba is playing most of his minutes with Al, who kills spacing and isn't a roll threat or a good screener, and PJ, who is completely invisible and can't hit a shot to save his life.

I'm not really trying to nitpick either player or make excuses. I think they have both done well and I'm happy with their play (except the horrifying NY game for Kemba). I just think people are being a little too eager to try to push the PG controversy and if either of them are being held back by the lineups they play in it is Kemba, not Lin. I am a little frustrated though as a Kemba fan that we added all these shooters and high IQ players this off-season and yet hes still stuck playing in clogged toilet lineups with Al and PJ.

We just need to get rid of Al and let Kemba and Lin head our attack surrounded by floor spacers. I think they can both flourish under those circumstances.

[ChokeFasncists]

Lin plays with more spacing, more shooting, and better players for getting assists on the second unit. Im not buying that excuse at all about why Lin isnt getting more assists. PJ cant hit any shots and Al is horrible at catching and finishing around the basket when someone drives and dish. Kemba also plays a decent amount of minutes with a PJ/Cody/Al frontcourt. Before the NY game Lins shooting % was below 40% and all his overall stats were worse. Theyve both had their ups and downs so far. People need to chill out.

I'm pretty chill, I was mainly talking about their general tendencies, not really their recent performances.

If Al is horrible then Hawrible is...... Cody has been playing real bad until the last two games and recently he had been fouled and shot two free throws many times. Lamb has only recently start to get his spot up going.

That bit isn't very important anyways. New philosophy, new coach, new mentality, new role, it's gonna take a little bit of time. I see that he is trying to cut his TOs and is sacrificing the more risky threading the needles passes. Kemba OTOH, is in a relatively stable environment.

Lin's normal FG% is around 44% whereas Kemba is closer to 40%. Things could certainly change but that's what I'm talking about, they are who they are at this point. Lin is still trying to find himself after the debacle in Houston and LA. He is still improving and he's got a long way to go.

Well, Hawes is unfathomably awful, but he does create more space than Al. Lin is generally playing in lineups with our best pick and roll threat (Cody) and 3 shooters (I know Hawes isn't exactly a shooter, but relative to Al he is an improvement), whereas Kemba is playing most of his minutes with Al, who kills spacing and isn't a roll threat or a good screener. Hes also playing a large chunk of his minutes with PJ, who is completely invisible and can't hit a shot to save is life. Lin also gets most of his minutes with our best shooter and off-ball player. Lamb, Marv/Batum, Cody, and Hawes/Frank, is a much better 2-5 for what Kemba and Lin want to do than Batum, PJ, Marv/Cody, and Al. I mean, none of the Lin fans on the board want Lin to have to play with Al because they see the effect he has.

Al might be bad for spacing but he's a pretty good finisher. Finishers give passers assists whereas spacing gives drivers lanes to attack the rim. A center with a midrange game isn't that bad anyways. So both play with Cody, who had not been up to par, probably cuz of that dehydration thing. Marv/Batum are playing well. Hawes will probably improve, it's a new environment for him too. It takes time for new players to gel. Again, I don't think it's that important which players are around, it's the style of play that's more relevant here as well as adjusting to new environment.

I'm not really trying to nitpick either player or make excuses. I think they have both done well and I'm happy with their play (except the horrifying NY game for Kemba). I just think people are being a little too eager to try to push the PG controversy and if either of them are being held back by the lineups they play in it is Kemba, not Lin.

Na, not trying to push any controversy. I just like a good debate about anything as long as it is relevant, objective and good spirited. Hey, if you don't want to talk about this, it's all good.