GT: Hornets vs Warriors Mon Jan 4 10:30 PM EST

[bws94]

Lin has been all hype this year. Sorry. He's a backup. The fact the Hornets have to lean on him with Batum out is embarrassing, not as embarrassing as Marvin and PJ or Hendo last year but dang he's in traffic all the time, fumbling all over the place.

you're complaining about a $2M role player who is punching way above his pay grade?? Riight, got your head skrewed on real tight there buddy. Yes his shooting has been off so far, but everything else has been an improvement for him. If you want to blame anyone, instead of blaming a $2M role player with a bum ankle, maybe blame the star player, aka mr 9-21 fg and 1-4 3pt with 3 assists entire game even though 40 minutes as pg aka mr kemba?

Oh geez, LIn is not a $2M role player. He's getting paid that now but not for long. He's the 6th man on the team now and backs up Kemba, Batum and PJ. And Kemba has been mostly strong in his style of play and improved this season and Lin has to be able to play with whomever is on the court with him. Lin hasn't really gone Linsanity-mode as much as he could or should perhaps. One game he did. Shot it 22 times. Most games he shoots 10 or so shots which really isn't enough. Lin brings an ability to draw fouls and do some good things, but a lot of his arsenal is still in his bag and not on display yet. He gets a pass due to his ankle tonight. He often plays hard. But he's not been the best he can be. He's always been versatile, just not always used that way.

[phillycheese]

Klay and Green both played 37-38 minutes tonight. Curry played 31 on a one leg.

Curry's game didn't look affected like when Batum was playing on the bad toe and Lin on the ankle. He was still able to do his moves with speed and such, change direction, put pressure down on one leg, stuff Batum and Lin had problems with. The guy is amazing, an HOF player we can all see now but I think the type of injury he has didn't noticeably compromise him much. Plus he has a stronger supporting cast by a lot.

Cury had a shin contusion. Yes painful but this is not the same as an injured lower joint. It was obvious Lin could not cut left since he had no push on his right ankle. Maybe Roberts should have gotten more minutes. but I have no complaints about Lin playing hurt.

[wincan459]

Thompson such a cocky sob, but without Curry, he's a p~uss¥.

He's still great.

He is still great!!

[wincan459]

Lin has been all hype this year. Sorry. He's a backup. The fact the Hornets have to lean on him with Batum out is embarrassing, not as embarrassing as Marvin and PJ or Hendo last year but dang he's in traffic all the time, fumbling all over the place.

you're complaining about a $2M role player who is punching way above his pay grade?? Riight, got your head skrewed on real tight there buddy. Yes his shooting has been off so far, but everything else has been an improvement for him. If you want to blame anyone, instead of blaming a $2M role player with a bum ankle, maybe blame the star player, aka mr 9-21 fg and 1-4 3pt with 3 assists entire game even though 40 minutes as pg aka mr kemba?

I am totally with you that Lin is a positive addition to the Hornets, but supporting one teammate does not have to bring down another one. Kemba has been very good or even great this season so for.

[yosemiteben]

I do generally understand and agree with your point about burning out guys with big minutes. I just can't get with applying that concept to guys that are role players averaging less than 25 MPG.

Why is that number so important?

Its completely subjective and you know it

It's not important at all, it's just the number of minutes Zeller played and it's a very low number that demonstrates the absurdity of the argument. I honestly have a hard time believing that you are serious in saying that Cliff contributed to Zeller's injury by playing him 24 MPG.

[yosemiteben]

Team scored over 100 but only had 15 assists in total. Doesn't matter who the opponent is, that's loser basketball.

Completely agree. Half of our assists came from Hawes and Frank.

[BatumtheGlue]

Team scored over 100 but only had 15 assists in total. Doesn't matter who the opponent is, that's loser basketball.

Completely agree. Half of our assists came from Hawes and Frank.

As we all already know, our starting PG is a SG in a PG's body and honestly, i have no problem with it. But that's the reason why this team should try their best to resign Batum. A scoring PG who lack of court vision always need another player on the court to facilitate. Kemba, Irving, Rose, and Lillard are the same type of PG IMO.

[tonman]

Team scored over 100 but only had 15 assists in total. Doesn't matter who the opponent is, that's loser basketball.

Completely agree. Half of our assists came from Hawes and Frank.

As we all already know, our starting PG is a SG in a PG's body and honestly, i have no problem with it. But that's the reason why this team should try their best to resign Batum. A scoring PG who lack of court vision always need another player on the court to facilitate. Kemba, Irving, Rose, and Lillard are the same type of PG IMO.

to your point about the PG is a SG in a PG's body, well, you're playing a PG at SG right now along side a SG in a PG's body at PG...

[Liver_Pooty]

Completely agree. Half of our assists came from Hawes and Frank.

As we all already know, our starting PG is a SG in a PG's body and honestly, i have no problem with it. But that's the reason why this team should try their best to resign Batum. A scoring PG who lack of court vision always need another player on the court to facilitate. Kemba, Irving, Rose, and Lillard are the same type of PG IMO.

to your point about the PG is a SG in a PG's body, well, you're playing a PG at SG right now along side a SG in a PG's body at PG...

I know what you meant, but had to read it several times. Should say that 7 times fast.

[bws94]

As we all already know, our starting PG is a SG in a PG's body and honestly, i have no problem with it. But that's the reason why this team should try their best to resign Batum. A scoring PG who lack of court vision always need another player on the court to facilitate. Kemba, Irving, Rose, and Lillard are the same type of PG IMO.

to your point about the PG is a SG in a PG's body, well, you're playing a PG at SG right now along side a SG in a PG's body at PG...

I know what you meant, but had to read it several times. Should say that 7 times fast.

Lin is actually a combo guard that looks to set up his team mates a lot. Sometimes, too much. Kemba is an Irving type of PG as OP indicates. Westbrook and Wall have sort of morphed from Irving/Rose types to scoring PGs that can rack up assists. Looking at Kemba's passing, I'm not seeing him going in that direction. Batum is the force that comes in to assists balancing out Kemba's hero-ball tendencies. Lin's style of play doesn't lead to that, so the dynamic is different when those 2 play without Batum. Essentially, Kemba/Lin works when both are scoring a lot.

[tonman]

to your point about the PG is a SG in a PG's body, well, you're playing a PG at SG right now along side a SG in a PG's body at PG...

I know what you meant, but had to read it several times. Should say that 7 times fast.

Lin is actually a combo guard that looks to set up his team mates a lot. Sometimes, too much. Kemba is an Irving type of PG as OP indicates. Westbrook and Wall have sort of morphed from Irving/Rose types to scoring PGs that can rack up assists. Looking at Kemba's passing, I'm not seeing him going in that direction. Batum is the force that comes in to assists balancing out Kemba's hero-ball tendencies. Lin's style of play doesn't lead to that, so the dynamic is different when those 2 play without Batum. Essentially, Kemba/Lin works when both are scoring a lot.

sorry but combos are basically PGs playing SG because they can. you call Harden a SG when he's essentially playing point because he's the size of a SG. otherwise, we should call Harden the PG and Beverley can be the SG.

when talking about assists, it depends on style of play and pace. you're going to get an assist or two if you simply pass the ball around the perimeter. it's whether you CREATE opportunities for your teammates. kemba makes the right passes but he doesn't create offense except for himself. he will hit the open and/or cutting teammate. he's not selfish. he's just a scorer who believes he can score every time he gets the ball. lin's bread and butter is PNR but it's not just lin scoring. he works with the picker and will create offense for that player. ed davis owes millions to lin for his contract with Portland.

my point is that you can always go to kemba for the shot but the offense should be started by lin if they play together. the reason batum works is that kemba/lin has to bring the ball up and guess what PASS the ball to batum. that is one pass. make another pass and now that is called ball movement.

[bws94]

I think of combo guards as guards combining PG and SG qualities. Can play like an SG when needed and a PG when needed. I think that is what Lin does. Harden plays like a ball dominant SG but he can initiate offense. Something like Wade does though Wade passes the ball more.

Lin is PG minded but doesn't really play like most PGs. I can't put my finger quite on it, but there's something different about he runs an offense. He's best with PnR but hasn't had a lot of bigs that roll well he's played with since leaving NYC beyond Davis (and Smith in Houston). He is looking to run plays and position guys, so that's like a PG.

I see Kemba bring the ball up and pass to Batum and then Batum looks for who he thinks is open and goes into playmaker mode. Lin tends to go to the corner, may get it back, dribble around but I'm not sure what he does as there's no real set pattern. He may drive and then pick up his dribble, he may just pass it right back to Kemba, he may look for Batum or Lamb and every once in awhile, he'll throw a bullet pass into the paint to Cody or Frank or Hawes who aren't always ready for it.

I find the team Batum centric, which works when he plays. When he doesn't, then it isn't as organized. Batum works well with both Kemba or Lin.

[yosemiteben]

Let's lay off the name calling and back and forth please gents.

[tonman]

Let's lay off the name calling and back and forth please gents.

Not following. Some good discussions going on.

[yosemiteben]

Let's lay off the name calling and back and forth please gents.

Not following. Some good discussions going on.

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