Hornets Recent Slump

[fatlever]

We only have four 4-man lineups with a positive net rating in last 11 games (min 40 minutes played).

Kemba, Batum, Frank, Cody +9
Kemba, Lin, Lamb, Frank +7
Kemba, Lin, Batum, Cody +6
Kemba, Lin, Frank, Cody +6

Worst of the bunch
Kemba, Lin, PJ, Marvin -32
Lin, PJ, Marvin, Cody -32
Kemba, Lin, PJ, Cody -28
Kemba, Lin, Marvin, Cody -16



3-man lineups

Lin, Batum, Frank +16
Lin, Batum, Cody +12
Lin, Frank, Cody +9
Lamb, Frank, Batum +6

Worst
Lin, PJ, Marvin -32
Kemba, Lin, PJ -32
Lin, PJ, Cody -26
Kemba, Lin, Marvin -16

2-man lineups

Lin, Batum +9
Batum, Frank +5
Lamb, Cody +5
Frank, Cody +3

Worst
Lin, PJ -36
PJ, Frank -28
Lin, Marvin -18
Roberts, Frank -15


Pretty clear that Clifford, at the very least, needs to limits the minutes of the Kemba, Lin, PJ, Marvin group. That unit is just too small to effectively defend and rebound vs starting units. Evidence, getting lit up on 3pt line, inability to contain pick and roll and recover to 3pt line, getting smashed on boards.

PJ and Marvin are present in a ton of the worst units and very few of the best units. Hard to have a functioning offense with those two on the floor together. Defense just as bad.

I'd like to see Clifford put his best 5 players on the floor to start games, at least for 10 games or so. Kemba, Lin (or Lamb), Batum, Frank, Cody. That needs to be the starting lineup. He just cant keep saving both Lin, Lamb and Frank for the bench unit while our starters get killed due to having PJ and Marvin in there. And you can't play Kemba and Lin together unless you have a longer, better rebounding SF next to them (Batum, not PJ).

[RevolDas]

"According to this filter on Basketball Reference, run by Nathan Walker of Nylon Calculus, the Hornets have found something that works. Actually, works particularly well. Spencer Hawes, Frank Kaminsky, Jeremy Lamb, Lin, and Marvin Williams: a five-man lineup that Basketball Reference says is currently seventh best lineup in the NBA in net margin at +21.6 using the filters run by Walker. Those filters are set to a minimum of 66 minutes with the reasoning being that the Golden State Warriors “lineup of death” has only played 66.7 minutes together this season, thus making sure that this query would include them. If, for example, you bumped the minimum minutes to 67, two Warriors lineups would fall out and the Hornets lineup would actually be fifth best in the entire league."

Quote from the Lottery Mafia article. Interesting stuff.

[Liver_Pooty]

Lol. I'd like to see the outcome if we ran that lineup for significant minutes. Get blown the hell out.

[fatlever]

"According to this filter on Basketball Reference, run by Nathan Walker of Nylon Calculus, the Hornets have found something that works. Actually, works particularly well. Spencer Hawes, Frank Kaminsky, Jeremy Lamb, Lin, and Marvin Williams: a five-man lineup that Basketball Reference says is currently seventh best lineup in the NBA in net margin at +21.6 using the filters run by Walker. Those filters are set to a minimum of 66 minutes with the reasoning being that the Golden State Warriors “lineup of death” has only played 66.7 minutes together this season, thus making sure that this query would include them. If, for example, you bumped the minimum minutes to 67, two Warriors lineups would fall out and the Hornets lineup would actually be fifth best in the entire league."

Quote from the Lottery Mafia article. Interesting stuff.

That lineup hasn't played any minutes together, that I can find, in the past 11 games.

[fatlever]

I think it is fair to note, that lineup played all its minutes together early in the season, and primarily against 2nd units.

[Eoghan]

Marv is an enigma. When he shoots well and is spry on defense he looks indispensable as a starter. But most of the team he looks pretty invisible.

[fatlever]

Marv is an enigma. When he shoots well and is spry on defense he looks indispensable as a starter. But most of the team he looks pretty invisible.

He has been a totally different player since Jefferson got hurt. I really don't know what to make of that. My rational thinking side says there is no way we are missing Jefferson and his defense, yet our play and the stats seem to suggest otherwise. I am honestly dumbfounded.

[bigbob]

I think it is fair to note, that lineup played all its minutes together early in the season, and primarily against 2nd units.

it looks like a killer lineup though...id swap batum in there time to time for marvin williams (depending on how he does) and we'd have a seriously OP lineup. Too bad cliff won't let it happen.

[fatlever]

I think it is fair to note, that lineup played all its minutes together early in the season, and primarily against 2nd units.

it looks like a killer lineup though...id swap batum in there time to time for marvin williams (depending on how he does) and we'd have a seriously OP lineup. Too bad cliff won't let it happen.

its a killer lineup vs 2nd units.

[bigbob]

I think it is fair to note, that lineup played all its minutes together early in the season, and primarily against 2nd units.

it looks like a killer lineup though...id swap batum in there time to time for marvin williams (depending on how he does) and we'd have a seriously OP lineup. Too bad cliff won't let it happen.

its a killer lineup vs 2nd units.

its probably a killer lineup even against 1st units. Lamb, Lin and Frank in my opinion bring the most fire power on the team. Even more than kemba/batum/zeller. Marvin Williams plays better with the 2nd unit for some reason. Hawes is also a decent 3pt shooter from what ive seen, its unfortunate he can't post or hit layups if his life depended on it.

[JDR720]

Marv is an enigma. When he shoots well and is spry on defense he looks indispensable as a starter. But most of the team he looks pretty invisible.

He has been a totally different player since Jefferson got hurt. I really don't know what to make of that. My rational thinking side says there is no way we are missing Jefferson and his defense, yet our play and the stats seem to suggest otherwise. I am honestly dumbfounded.

al may suck but at least you have to pay attention to him on offense

[Diop]

Marv is an enigma. When he shoots well and is spry on defense he looks indispensable as a starter. But most of the team he looks pretty invisible.

He has been a totally different player since Jefferson got hurt. I really don't know what to make of that. My rational thinking side says there is no way we are missing Jefferson and his defense, yet our play and the stats seem to suggest otherwise. I am honestly dumbfounded.

Didn't somebody at a game notice that Marv looked a little hobbled? He hasn't looked the same since I read that post. Injury might be affecting his athleticism which has killed his game.

[BobsBuddy]

7 losses in a row without AL..Even when Al playing before the injury,he only had a couple of good games.
His cap space is the only thing now of value in a trade and we really should not trade him if we want to resign Batum. We need to keep AL and concentrate on aquirying a solid 3 like Robert Covington. Wonder if Philly would be interested in PJ for him.6646611.
Throw in Roberts for a filler if necessary. We need to make an adjustment to get out of this freefall.

[phillycheese]

Wonder if Greg Smith is available or not? or maybe a head case like Javale McGee.