ImageImage

Rockets and Charlotte have discussed Dwight

Moderators: fatlever, JDR720, Diop, BigSlam, yosemiteben

phillycheese
Junior
Posts: 484
And1: 82
Joined: Nov 09, 2015
         

Re: Rockets and Charlotte have discussed Dwight 

Post#141 » by phillycheese » Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:39 am

yosemiteben wrote:So every contract with a player option is negative value from that perspective?

No, every contract with a player option vs the same without the player option is lower value. I like to look at it this way. The player does really well, he will opt out and the team gets no benefit and will have to re-up at higher salary to retain. If the player does crap he will stay and the team is stuck with a player they don't want. Team lose flexibility. Morey refused to give Dragic a 3+1 player option contract and Dragic walked instead. Morey did not think Dragic was a top tier talent to warrant such a negative drag. I would think at this stage he probably feels the same way about Howard. Now players like Lebron, Westbrook, Durant and Curry could demand a player option and team will likely have to give them one. Howard is no longer in that echelon.

I agree Houston would not want Hawes for that reason. Insert Cody and a second round pick, and maybe Houston would bite. Insert a first rounder and I think Houston would have taken the trade. But no way Charlotte should have given Houston a first rounder for a half year rental, unless they were like Toronto who with one piece could have joined Cavs as a top Eastern title contender, or they were like Boston with lots of draft picks.
User avatar
TheKingofSting
RealGM
Posts: 17,830
And1: 2,165
Joined: Jun 24, 2011
       

Re: Rockets and Charlotte have discussed Dwight 

Post#142 » by TheKingofSting » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:57 am

I can't help but think the Hornets missed out big here. There is no way Howard declines his player option.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums
President of the Quinn Cook Fan Club

Bradley Beal has D Wade potential
User avatar
BlackOutBuzz
Hornets Forum Capologist
Posts: 7,795
And1: 3,004
Joined: Jan 22, 2012
Location: Burlington, NC
       

Re: RE: Re: Rockets and Charlotte have discussed Dwight 

Post#143 » by BlackOutBuzz » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:13 am

TheKingofSting wrote:I can't help but think the Hornets missed out big here. There is no way Howard declines his player option.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

From his agent:

"Not surprisingly, as the deadline approached, several teams called stating they had worked out the trade parameters with Houston for a Dwight deal but were not prepared to give up their assets unless Dwight agreed to opt into the last year of his contract and forego free agency. Dwight declined."



Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
Hornets Picks by Year
2021: Bouknight, Jones, Thor, Lewis

Protection on future 1st* (to NYK); 2nds
2022: 1-18; CHA (31-55), TOR 2 (55-60)
2023: 1-16; BOS (GH)
2024: 1-14; BOS (GH)
2025: 1-14; CHA (31-55)
*Becomes two 2nds if unconveyed
User avatar
TheKingofSting
RealGM
Posts: 17,830
And1: 2,165
Joined: Jun 24, 2011
       

Re: Rockets and Charlotte have discussed Dwight 

Post#144 » by TheKingofSting » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:17 am

BlackOutBuzz wrote:
TheKingofSting wrote:I can't help but think the Hornets missed out big here. There is no way Howard declines his player option.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

From his agent:

"Not surprisingly, as the deadline approached, several teams called stating they had worked out the trade parameters with Houston for a Dwight deal but were not prepared to give up their assets unless Dwight agreed to opt into the last year of his contract and forego free agency. Dwight declined."



Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk


I knew he wasn't smart but wow. He wouldn't do himself any favors by not opting in. They probably wanted Kemba or MKG anyway.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums
President of the Quinn Cook Fan Club

Bradley Beal has D Wade potential
spaceballer
Head Coach
Posts: 6,581
And1: 2,707
Joined: Mar 05, 2012

Re: Rockets and Charlotte have discussed Dwight 

Post#145 » by spaceballer » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:48 am

TheKingofSting wrote:
BlackOutBuzz wrote:
TheKingofSting wrote:I can't help but think the Hornets missed out big here. There is no way Howard declines his player option.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

From his agent:

"Not surprisingly, as the deadline approached, several teams called stating they had worked out the trade parameters with Houston for a Dwight deal but were not prepared to give up their assets unless Dwight agreed to opt into the last year of his contract and forego free agency. Dwight declined."



Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk


I knew he wasn't smart but wow. He wouldn't do himself any favors by not opting in. They probably wanted Kemba or MKG anyway.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums


Opting out is the smart move for Dwight. His agent knows what he's doing. Since he is still productive, this may be Dwight's last big contract.

While opting out may mean that his coming contract may not pay as much per year as he would make from picking up the option, the length of the contract means he stands to make more in aggregate with a new contract in the summer than if he opted in and postponed his free agency for another year.

Look at how people are reluctant to give him the max and how his value has fallen since his prime. If he opted in, then his free agency would be another year removed from his prime, where his performance may decline even more with another year. If people are having doubts about giving him a pricey long term contract now, they'd be even more reluctant when his performance declines another year away from now.

And part of the rationale for him leaving the supermax from the Lakers on the table was that the player option with the Rockets allows him to return to the free agency market sooner and recoup the lost money from the Lakers supermax by getting one last big contract this summer with the cap jump.

I would have been shocked if his agent was foolish enough to allow him to opt in. This is his chance for one last big contract while he's still productive.
lin is ok
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,490
And1: 160
Joined: Jul 11, 2015

Re: Rockets and Charlotte have discussed Dwight 

Post#146 » by lin is ok » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:27 am

i wonder what the rockets were asking for. so obvious that dwight's vaule is underated now due to the problems in huston
User avatar
316Hornets
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,248
And1: 2,883
Joined: Jun 26, 2015
Location: Milky Way
 

Re: Rockets and Charlotte have discussed Dwight 

Post#147 » by 316Hornets » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:56 am

Interesting article that really hammers home the difference between reality and perception. Superman hasn't been that super as of late. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/02/no-trade-houston-rockets-dwight-howard-because-hes-no-longer-a-franchise-player
The Charlotte Hornets will win their first round series against the Boston Celtics in the 2021 Playoffs
phillycheese
Junior
Posts: 484
And1: 82
Joined: Nov 09, 2015
         

Re: Rockets and Charlotte have discussed Dwight 

Post#148 » by phillycheese » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:34 am

lin is ok wrote:i wonder what the rockets were asking for. so obvious that dwight's vaule is underated now due to the problems in huston

We know they turned down Al and Hawes for Howard. I am sure that Houston would have taken Al, Cody, 1st round pick.

Return to Charlotte Hornets