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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#621 » by fatlever » Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:54 pm

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* Miami's transformation without Chris Bosh is one of the fascinating storylines of the season. They didn't really add any shooting swapping Bosh for Joe Johnson; Johnson simply replaced Bosh as the best shooter in the starting lineup, and sometimes the only reliable one.

But they did add another wing who can make plays off the dribble from the 3-point arc, and reduce their number of pick-and-roll screeners from two to just one -- Hassan Whiteside.

The Heat are still a bad shooting team, but they make up for it with speed, passing and constant motion. One wrinkle I loved: Miami knew Charlotte would send a third defender into the paint early to shove Whiteside on the pick-and-roll, and they had the guy that helper was guarding -- Dwyane Wade here on a Joe Johnson/Whiteside play -- cut across the baseline, and toward the ball:
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That's a cut big man make now and then to confuse help defense assignments. You don't see perimeter players make it much, because the whole point of playing four perimeter guys is to station them around the 3-point arc -- and out of the damn way.

But Wade is almost like a big man on offense, and these little cuts flummoxed the Hornets. They triggered a kind of second rotation: Marvin Williams, guarding Luol Deng in the right corner, sees how far away Wade gets from Courtney Lee, and makes a panic-slide into the paint to cover for Lee -- leaving Deng wide open.

The irony? The Heat learned this from the Spurs; Danny Green killed them in the 2013 Finals with this same cut, to the point that the Heat, befuddled about a thing they hadn't seen or expected, nicknamed it "The Danny Green Cut."

Behold, the playoffs: Every wrinkle matters.


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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#622 » by Hornet Mania » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:12 pm

I just got done watching the game, managed to go spoiler-free all day. What a massacre.

The only positive I can think of is that both of these teams are up and down at times and they were at opposite extremes last night. There is not truly a 30pt difference between these teams on average. This is not going to be the norm for the length of the series.

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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#623 » by fatlever » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:17 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Our TS% in this game was 56%, which ranks 6th overall among teams that played in the first round and would have been 4th overall if we had sustained that % in the regular season.

Our problems start and end on the defensive end of the floor, which makes me feel a little better because I think Cliff is one of the best in the business at pulling together a defense.


They had an offensive rating of something like 147 for the game. So, yeah, while offense had issues, mainly lack of pace and no ball movement, those problems paled in comparison to the defense.
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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#624 » by fatlever » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:25 pm

At least Frank is self-aware, admits he was timid, giant "no ****" for anyone who watched.

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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#625 » by TinmanZBoy » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:29 pm

fatlever wrote:At least Frank is self-aware, admits he was timid, giant "no ****" for anyone who watched.

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Frank/lamb just don't like any contact, both of them need serious strength training this off season
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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#626 » by yosemiteben » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:38 pm

TinmanZBoy wrote:Frank/lamb just don't like any contact, both of them need serious strength training this off season

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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#627 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:45 pm

BrotherDave wrote:I doubt that Clifford makes any big changes to the starters. The last time he was in the playoffs he watched Al limp around on plantar fascitis for 3 games before opening the door to the doghouse to let Biyombo out.

That being said, I don't think starting Al is the solution either. Zeller is just going to have to be uber aggressive and get Whiteside in foul trouble. He has to be sent sprawling to the floor enough times the refs pity him and gift him free throws like against Drummond. He has to find some way of D'ing Whiteside up too. Whiteside will abuse him occasionally but if he can force enough misses and the team rebounds well together to force Miami into more one and dones than the game won't be nearly as lopsided.


I agree with everything you stated, but I don't have no idea how Zeller is going to get Whiteside in trouble. Whiteside seems to view Zeller as a guard when he attacks the rim on both ends of the floor
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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#628 » by yosemiteben » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:50 pm

So instead of talking about guys that didn't matter, are we going to bring up the fact that Kemba played without any emotion at all? I expected the polar opposite from what we got from him, and not just after we were getting our asses kicked - from the tip he seemed like he lacked energy.

When we got down I thought it would be time for the Kemba Walker show to try to single handedly bring us back, but he seemed much too passive.

Never would have dreamed we would make the playoffs this season then after Game 1 I would find myself saying there was a problem with Kemba's intensity.
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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#629 » by yosemiteben » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:51 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:I don't have no idea how Zeller is going to get Whiteside in trouble. Whiteside seems to view Zeller as a guard when he attacks the rim on both ends of the floor

Whiteside scored 2 points last night when Zeller was guarding him, and that was off a tip in.
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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#630 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:55 pm

Besides the surprisingly white-hot shooting of the Heat it was rather obvious that Spoelstra outcoached Clifford in this one. Hopefully Clifford is willing to make some adjustments instead of possibly naively believing that Miami just won't shoot this well in consecutive games. Spoelstra is very good at sporadic substitutions and things of that nature, there's no method to his madness, he don't play the hand dealt to him --- he shuffle the deck, so if Clifford want to play a preset gameplan this series could be over by Game 3. Charlotte need to steal one game in Miami tomorrow
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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#631 » by Flip Murray » Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:59 pm

fatlever wrote:Who is the guy rebounding in this clip? I often see him sitting behind the bench, next to the injured players. Seems like a sweet gig for a dude his age.

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Damn that dude is cleaning the glass like a pro. Can we sign him for wednesday?
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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#632 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:01 pm

yosemiteben wrote:So instead of talking about guys that didn't matter, are we going to bring up the fact that Kemba played without any emotion at all? I expected the polar opposite from what we got from him, and not just after we were getting our asses kicked - from the tip he seemed like he lacked energy.

When we got down I thought it would be time for the Kemba Walker show to try to single handedly bring us back, but he seemed much too passive.

Never would have dreamed we would make the playoffs this season then after Game 1 I would find myself saying there was a problem with Kemba's intensity.


This team is a sum of it's parts. There is no superstar. Every player on the floor matters in the outcome usually with this team

Kemba tried not to force the issue and let the game come to him, which ended up being a bad idea because Miami dictated the flow of the game by taking the ball out of his hands and play his passing lanes. I'm happy Kemba didn't try to go into superhero mode and try to bring the team back because that would've been the topic of discussion on why Charlotte loss had he tried and missed forced shots. However, Kemba need to be more aggressive out the gate and throughout the game. This is the playoffs, a different intensity and sense of urgency than when he was able to do so during the regular season
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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#633 » by yosemiteben » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:06 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:Spoelstra is very good at sporadic substitutions and things of that nature, there's no method to his madness, he don't play the hand dealt to him...

Interesting. Perusing the Heat board, I see lots of fans saying the complete opposite, including a reference to him as "Spobot" because he doesn't change up his preset game plan.
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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#634 » by TinmanZBoy » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:11 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:Spoelstra is very good at sporadic substitutions and things of that nature, there's no method to his madness, he don't play the hand dealt to him...

Interesting. Perusing the Heat board, I see lots of fans saying the complete opposite, including a reference to him as "Spobot" because he doesn't change up his preset game plan.


if u want to see a coach who changes his plan game by game, look no further of the current Rockets coach JBB... it is terrible, terrible, terrible...
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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#635 » by fatlever » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:38 pm

yosemiteben wrote:So instead of talking about guys that didn't matter, are we going to bring up the fact that Kemba played without any emotion at all? I expected the polar opposite from what we got from him, and not just after we were getting our asses kicked - from the tip he seemed like he lacked energy.

When we got down I thought it would be time for the Kemba Walker show to try to single handedly bring us back, but he seemed much too passive.

Never would have dreamed we would make the playoffs this season then after Game 1 I would find myself saying there was a problem with Kemba's intensity.


I know there were reports of him having some kind of knee problem yesterday. Was that a factor? He certainly was not aggressive enough.
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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#636 » by PG13 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:57 pm

Yikes...

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Re: GT Playoff GAME 1 CHA @ MIA Sun April 17 5:30pm et 

Post#637 » by Eoghan » Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:19 am

I thought it looked like Kemba was clutching one of his lower ribs after a fall early in the game. It certainly didn't look like he had much pep in his step after that and it wasn't until late in the game that I remember seeing him attack the basket hard like he usually does.
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Post#638 » by yosemiteben » Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:58 am

BrotherDave wrote:I thought it looked like Kemba was clutching one of his lower ribs after a fall early in the game. It certainly didn't look like he had much pep in his step after that and it wasn't until late in the game that I remember seeing him attack the basket hard like he usually does.

Noticed the exact same thing. Was surprised to see stuff today that it was his knee, I thought maybe he cracked his rib or something.
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