Hornets Draft Board #13

[JDR720]

Consensus Top #9:
#1 Ben Simmons
#2 Brandon Ingram
#3 Dragon Bender
#4 Buddy Hield
#5 Jamal Murray
#6 Kris Dunn
#7 Jaylen Brown
#8 Jakob Poeltl
#9 Marquess Chriss


Players Selected:
#10 Devonta Davis
#11 Wade Baldwin
#12 Denzel Valintine

Next On Poll (in no particular order):
(If you have an opinion about who should be added next, please leave a comment in the thread)
Dejounte Murray
Brice Johnson
AJ Hammons
Diamond Stone
Cheick Diallo
Petr Cornelie
Ivica Zubac
Malachi Richardson
Malcolm Brogdon
Tyler Ulis
DeAndre Bembry
Thon Maker
Ante Zizic
Pascal Siakam
Patrick McCaw
Stephen Zimmerman
Caris LeVert
Guerschon Yabusele
Tyler Ulis
Zhou Qi
Gary Payton II
Wayne Selden
Juan Hernangomez

[Mystical Apples]

Ellenson still sitting there at #13 and selected after Valentine is hard to believe.

[JDR720]

going with elleson again.

probably going with jones next.

[JMAC3]

I went Luwawu.

Ellenson is going all over the board, I have seen him as high as 4 and as low as 20.

He has a good skill set on offense and has shown range on his jumpshot in workouts. He was a very effective rebounder in college, but his athleticism is a major concern to me. He makes Kevin Love look like a defensive stopper and former dunk champ. I have major concerns he can play the 4 defensively in the NBA due to his heavy feet and sluggish movements. He provides Zero shotblocking at Center position and his motor has been questioned.

Although he is a good player, drafting him you are taking a player that will have major holes in his game at the next level that will be tough to correct. I would rather just avoid guys like this, and take a chance on somebody else who has a higher upside.

[fatlever]

I'll go with the long-term project of Skal Labissiere. He seems to have the character we would desire in a player. Stick him in the d-league for all of next year. Seems like he has more upside than the other bigs in this range and its probably too early to start going for the proven high floor guys like Prince. Maybe Skal would be ready for some real minutes by the start of his 3rd season.

[SWedd523]

I went with Timothy

[Mystical Apples]

I went Luwawu.

Ellenson is going all over the board, I have seen him as high as 4 and as low as 20.

He has a good skill set on offense and has shown range on his jumpshot in workouts. He was a very effective rebounder in college, but his athleticism is a major concern to me. He makes Kevin Love look like a defensive stopper and former dunk champ. I have major concerns he can play the 4 defensively in the NBA due to his heavy feet and sluggish movements. He provides Zero shotblocking at Center position and his motor has been questioned.

Although he is a good player, drafting him you are taking a player that will have major holes in his game at the next level that will be tough to correct. I would rather just avoid guys like this, and take a chance on somebody else who has a higher upside.

I think you're short-changing his athleticism by a decent margin and overrating his shooting potential a bit. His explosion is a work in progress but he's an above average athlete who's grown the last few years while dropping 20-30 pounds. I can see similar conditioning improvements the next 18 months gravitating closer to his brother, a likely Olympic high jumper.

And I don't get the Kevin Love comparison. Ellenson is more mobile with the better frame/length for 2 positions. I'd high comp him somewhere between a 4/5 version of Gallinari, a less explosive Josh Smith, or a larger and slightly higher usage Lamar Odom.

Compared to Valentine he's easily the superior positional athlete who legitimately lacks an NBA frame and athleticism. I'd slap a top 20 warning label on Valentine for sure.

[SWedd523]

Ellenson reminds me too much of Bryant Reeves

[amcoolio]

Luwawu. Potential to be a better Batum.

[JMAC3]

I went Luwawu.

Ellenson is going all over the board, I have seen him as high as 4 and as low as 20.

He has a good skill set on offense and has shown range on his jumpshot in workouts. He was a very effective rebounder in college, but his athleticism is a major concern to me. He makes Kevin Love look like a defensive stopper and former dunk champ. I have major concerns he can play the 4 defensively in the NBA due to his heavy feet and sluggish movements. He provides Zero shotblocking at Center position and his motor has been questioned.

Although he is a good player, drafting him you are taking a player that will have major holes in his game at the next level that will be tough to correct. I would rather just avoid guys like this, and take a chance on somebody else who has a higher upside.

I think you're short-changing his athleticism by a decent margin and overrating his shooting potential a bit. His explosion is a work in progress but he's an above average athlete who's grown the last few years while dropping 20-30 pounds. I can see similar conditioning improvements the next 18 months gravitating closer to his brother, a likely Olympic high jumper.

And I don't get the Kevin Love comparison. Ellenson is more mobile with the better frame/length for 2 positions. I'd high comp him somewhere between a 4/5 version of Gallinari, a less explosive Josh Smith, or a larger and slightly higher usage Lamar Odom.

Compared to Valentine he's easily the superior positional athlete who legitimately lacks an NBA frame and athleticism. I'd slap a top 20 warning label on Valentine for sure.

I'm not saying he is the is going to be a bad player in the NBA, but just pointing out potential red flags that are not easily fixed.

He is a highly skilled big, but nowhere near the athlete his brother is.

Red Flags
- He has struggled with his weight for years, 11.2% body fat at combine.
- He was once considered a top 5 prospect, but scouts are souring and he continues to fall.
- Measured well at the combine, but choose not to participate in athletic portion of event- most likely because would of produced poor results and hurt his stock.
- Shows disinterest on the defensive end with a lack of a motor
- Heavy feet that cause for bad PnR defense and not being able to guard college PF on the perimeter, let alone NBA players.

[BigSlam]

The mobile, rim protection and super upside potential of Labissiere is too much for me to pass up on here.

He could be a much, much better version of Noel.

[Mystical Apples]

I'm not saying he is the is going to be a bad player in the NBA, but just pointing out potential red flags that are not easily fixed.

He is a highly skilled big, but nowhere near the athlete his brother is.

Red Flags
- He has struggled with his weight for years, 11.2% body fat at combine.
- He was once considered a top 5 prospect, but scouts are souring and he continues to fall.
- Measured well at the combine, but choose not to participate in athletic portion of event- most likely because would of produced poor results and hurt his stock.
- Shows disinterest on the defensive end with a lack of a motor
- Heavy feet that cause for bad PnR defense and not being able to guard college PF on the perimeter, let alone NBA players.

You're stretching the definition of red flag a tad. Most expected 1st rounders skip all or part of the testing. Otherwise, there are about 25 1st round red flags. And we don't know if scouts are "souring" because we don't have an NBA rankings baseline to sour from other than notoriously unreliable pre-draft misinformation.

11.2% body fat isn't out of line for a 19-year-old his size with demonstrated improvements since he was 15. At this year's combine over a third of the PF/C had > 10% BF, and those were the ones who elected to be poked. For example, Trey Lyles last year had more BF than Ellenson.

Here's a legitimate defensive rebounding red flag from conference play. It's pure fantasy thinking an athletic college PF who rebounds like a PG can someone compete in the NBA. This is alarming, actually, because I'm not making this up:

Ellenson: 25.6%
Chriss: 11.6% (!)
Davis: 21.6%
Poeltl: 22.6%
Sabonis: 28.2%

[Braggins]

Our big board is looking really weird to me this year.