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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#41 » by 316Hornets » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:28 am

Looking at the bottom teams, I'd say we have a good shot at a top 3 seed. Probably won't be able to out tank Dallas or Atlanta, but every other team has better possibility of throwing some wins together than us.

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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#42 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:28 am

Batam makes what? 25 million? Lol attempted one, ONE shot in 26 minutes. Good grief.

This team is awful. There’s no way Cho keeps his job.
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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#43 » by Bassman » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:38 am

316Hornets wrote:Shout out to Batum for only taking 1 shot so far this game. He's fitting into his role as Mr. Irrelevant nicely.


I thoroughly despise Batum, and did not want us to sign him to that ridiculous contract. He is like Doris Meow...no aggressiveness, petite approach, always the "artist" and never the bad azzz PLAYER you pay that kind of money for.

Team is shot. Broken. Don't trade Lamb or Monk. Put everyone else on the block and see what happens.
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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#44 » by catch20two » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:01 am

Worst (coached) team in the league. At this rate Kemba not gonna have any trade value.
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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#45 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:12 am

Just MHO, but Kemba came back too soon. It's clearly more than just coaching. He's just not himself.
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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#46 » by 316Hornets » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:19 am

For those on tank watch,

Kings, Bulls, Lakers(up 10 2 min left), and Mavs(up by 23 4th qtr) look like they'll all win today.
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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#47 » by Robot Rock » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:57 am

I was at the game tonight. The crowd roared when Malik Monk checked into the game and once he finally got a touch early in the fourth, he promptly caught a pass from Lamb, faked the defender and hit a jumper to beat the shot clock buzzer. Moments later, he steals a pass, comes down and hits a three.

I watched Monk play and I watched MCW play. Monk is better at shooting, he's a better passer with better vision and he's a better defender. MCW was getting beaten off the dribble, playing too far off the ball and like everyone else, giving up threes. He also mishandled an inbound pass and air-balled all of his shots in the first half.

Malik is the reason for us to be excited. He's about all we got in terms of electrifying play, since Kemba is in an extended slump. Kemba still makes plays and gets his points for the most part, but not with the efficiency of 2015-16 and '16-17.

And MCW is still a G-League backup at best. He and JOB will play 0 NBA minutes once waived.
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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#48 » by Robot Rock » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:01 am

I also have to give major props to Lamb. His 32 points were an efficient 32 points off all kinds of shots. He kept this from being a 50-point loss.
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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#49 » by Braggins » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:45 am

catch20two wrote:Amazing how the Raptors can be a winning team playing a guy named Pascal Siakam in their rotation while we can’t even play MCW and Frank 5-10 minutes without getting blown out the gym on most nights.


catch20two wrote:Worst (coached) team in the league.


The Pacers play Lance Stephenson, Big Al, and Damien Wilkins.

Im honestly a bit apprehensive about trading any of our players Kemba's age or younger that have basically played their entire careers in our whack system. I have a feeling a lot of our players will look better if we get a real coaching staff.
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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#50 » by Braggins » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:57 am

I think the Howard trade could possibly actually be what saves this team, but for the opposite reason we originally thought. It improved teams financial situation slightly and hes the perfect tank commander.

We are treating him like a key offensive option and hes putting up numbers and potentially upping his trade value slightly, while being 64th out of 72 centers in offensive RPM and sporting a -3.4 offensive +/-. His presence here has also thoroughly exposed the coaching staff (going back to a post-centric offensive for a terrible post player and not having any clue how to adjust defensively to modern offenses).

We might be looking at getting a top 5 pick and a new coaching staff after this season. It would have been great to get home court advantage and make a playoff run, but it seems now that was never in the cards. I think the talent level is good enough, but the combination of players/personalities and coaching staff was likely never reaching that ceiling (health hasn't helped, to be fair). The more realistic ceiling is probably a 6th seed and competitive first round loss.

It sucks that the team is so bad to watch right now, but it is probably for the best in the long run. We desperately need to go a different direction with the coaching staff and a top 5 pick gives us a better opportunity to add talent than our lack of valuable assets or cap space could afford us in trades and free agency (we wouldn't necessarily have to keep the pick, although we probably should if its top 5). There is a decent chance that a 6th-8th seed would have convinced the front office to try to double down again and would make it a lot more likely that they would do a terrible trade, or something crazy like extending Dwight. Both of those things are still possible, but hopefully us face planting so hard this season will lead to some wiser decisions moving forward.

I think a full on Hinkie/Philly style tank would be a bad idea as long as we have Kemba, but a top 5 pick in the next draft and a good coach could be a clear and simple path to giving this core the boost that it needs to be relevant.
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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#51 » by Joest2003 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:57 pm

Didn't watch the game because I'd rather watch paint dry at this point but I just checked the box score to see Batum with 0 points. Can someone please explain to me why he had 0 points please? Did he get injuried or something
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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#52 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:14 pm

Joest2003 wrote:Didn't watch the game because I'd rather watch paint dry at this point but I just checked the box score to see Batum with 0 points. Can someone please explain to me why he had 0 points please? Did he get injuried or something


He didnt shoot the ball for some reason.
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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#53 » by Joest2003 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:46 pm

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Joest2003 wrote:Didn't watch the game because I'd rather watch paint dry at this point but I just checked the box score to see Batum with 0 points. Can someone please explain to me why he had 0 points please? Did he get injuried or something


He didnt shoot the ball for some reason.


How is this acceptable? I mean he has to loose his starting spot after this right?
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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#54 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:57 pm

Joest2003 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:Didn't watch the game because I'd rather watch paint dry at this point but I just checked the box score to see Batum with 0 points. Can someone please explain to me why he had 0 points please? Did he get injuried or something


He didnt shoot the ball for some reason.


How is this acceptable? I mean he has to loose his starting spot after this right?


Who knows with this team.
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Post#55 » by yosemiteben » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:59 pm

Joest2003 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
He didnt shoot the ball for some reason.


How is this acceptable? I mean he has to loose his starting spot after this right?
Because we need fewer scoring options on the bench?

Unless we're trying to make the bench stronger we shouldn't change anything.
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Post#56 » by Joest2003 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:20 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
He didnt shoot the ball for some reason.


How is this acceptable? I mean he has to loose his starting spot after this right?
Because we need fewer scoring options on the bench?

Unless we're trying to make the bench stronger we shouldn't change anything.


Traditionally you put your best players on the floor to start games..
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Post#57 » by catch20two » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:18 pm

Joest2003 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
Joest2003 wrote:
How is this acceptable? I mean he has to loose his starting spot after this right?
Because we need fewer scoring options on the bench?

Unless we're trying to make the bench stronger we shouldn't change anything.


Traditionally you put your best players on the floor to start games..

And we played better before Batum returned to be honest. Playing off the energy of Kemba and Lamb scoring for the starters and then the youthful sporadic sparks of Monk and Bacon with the 2nd unit seemed like the best part of the season. Ever since Batum returned we’ve just been flat and lethargic.
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Re: GT charlotte vs toronto 12-20 7pm est 

Post#58 » by bravor » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:28 pm

Actually, no. Batum was even highly expected so that the team bounce back from a bad trend (and poor results after a decent start). The problem being that he is a no show apart for the last 2 previous games (against teams that don't play physical).

But his performance yesterday is unacceptable. If he is injured, then he does not play. If he plays, this means he can shoot. And he refused at least 4 open shots in last game including a couple after a good drive. I don't know who can give him a reality check (and a good kick in the bottom) to wake him up, i wish MJ could send him a message. He showed against his former team that he can play, so it has more to do with him playing in sort of a comfort zone where he cannot miss a shot since he does not take any.
And no, he has never been this inconsistent in his pro career, not even when he was a youngster with Le Mans (his first pro team before the draft).

But the least that the staff can do is demoting him from the starters and play him from the bench. There is a reason why Silas did nto play him in the 4th, he should follow the logic for a full game. Passive Batum can encourage his teammates from the bench. Active and agressive Nic can play on the court.

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