Q-bert: The Roy Hibbert Thread

[JDR720]

and i know that we have wanted a rim protecting C, buti think we wanted a starting caliber or higher end backup. not someone like roy who more or less washed up.

[catch20two]

I'm not super interested in blocks, but he's second in the league in DFG% at the rim among Cs.

Doesn't matter when opponents are pulling up wide open from 10-15 ft off the PnR huh?

Pretty much, yeah, good teams will live with those. Elite defenses protect the perimeter and the paint and sacrifice pull up midrange jumpers, which you probably know are the least efficient shots in the game.

I don't think WIDE OPEN midrange jumpers in the NBA is a inefficient shot tho. The keywords is wide and open.

[yosemiteben]

Doesn't matter when opponents are pulling up wide open from 10-15 ft off the PnR huh?

Pretty much, yeah, good teams will live with those. Elite defenses protect the perimeter and the paint and sacrifice pull up midrange jumpers, which you probably know are the least efficient shots in the game.

I don't think WIDE OPEN midrange jumpers in the NBA is a inefficient shot tho. The keywords is wide and open.

Couple reactions. First, how many wide open mid range shots are we actually giving up? Think tracking stats on that should be available, not sure. Second, if they are wide open then that's poor recovery from the man guarding the ball handler. It should be a rushed shot even if Roy is sagging. Roy doesn't hedge but he does step out a not to stop the drive, which is his primary responsibility and the main purpose of the hedge in the first place.

We give up a higher % on midrange shots generally, that's our scheme and not really limited to Roy.

[yosemiteben]

his rim defence is lfine, but he is terrible at everything else. like al and post scoring.

if he isnt rim protecting he is is basically useless, just like al was useless when he wasn't scoring.

and his rim defence cant really offset his perimeter/pnr defence.

He's an excellent help defender in the paint as well.

[fatlever]

He's a low usage elite rim protector that is a willing screen setter and passer and so far our best offensive rebounder. Weren't we begging for that exact profile of a player last season?

I don't get the Hibbert hate at all.

Nah we didn't want a stiff that couldn't defend PnR. Is Roy even blocking shots? I haven't even noticed him swatting anything.

2.1bpg per 36, opponents shoot with 42.4% against him at the rim. yes. has certainly been impacting shots down there with his patented verticality.

except Hawes is even better at 38%. Stats!!!

[yosemiteben]

Here is a question I guarantee you would not have answered correctly if it wasn't in this thread: which player on our roster has the highest on-court net rating in the month of January?

Answer: Roy Hibbert, +7.2 (111.3 ORTG, 104.1 DRTG)

We actually have been a train wreck with Hawes in January, he has a net rating of -10.6. Not necessarily his fault, if games are starting to get out of hand since Cody's been out it's been Hawes that has had his number called to try to pitch in, and more often than not lately that hasn't gone well for reasons that are not entirely his fault. Probably more the result of who gets to play the most with Kemba.

I point this out because Hibbert is only averaging 17 MPG in January, less than Hawes is receiving, and I'm genuinely not sure what we're going to do at the C spot through the end of this season.

In my mind Hibbert was pretty much gone when we played SAC, Cousins was doing work on the interior and we still didn't give Hibbert many minutes, but that net rating also surprised me and makes me wonder if we're showcasing Hawes in advance of a trade (if so, kinda backfired).

[GlenRiceARoni]

One thing had we not given hibbert a huge deal this offseason we might not have been able to pull off the blockbuster trade for plumlee

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[LamarMatic7]

Farewell, Roy!

You seem too slow for today's NBA, but I'll always respect you for your verticality plays. Even if you're as big as him, it doesn't change the fact that a charging 6'8 guy, flying at you, possibly having put out his elbow in front of him, is a scary sight. Yet Roy would always take the hit and somehow stand straight with his hands up.

He leaves us as the fourth best rim protector in the league per FG% against him among the players who face at least four such shots per game.

[fatlever]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell 7m7 minutes ago

Steve Clifford said he feels bad for how Roy Hibbert's body never got healthy. Said he might need a couple of months to get knee right.

[fatlever]

I guess we'll never know if that opening day performance from Roy could have been what we'd have seen more of this year had he not hurt his knee.

[LamarMatic7]

he certainly wasn't 100% right

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[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Thread necromancy. Read an interesting Hibbert article today. Has implications for Dwight & draft.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-nba-abandoned-roy-hibbert/

[LofJ]

Thread necromancy. Read an interesting Hibbert article today. Has implications for Dwight & draft.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-nba-abandoned-roy-hibbert/

Rim protection is still a valuable skill for big men. You just have to be able to accompany it with the ability to hedge on the perimeter and recover quickly to the rim. If you can't do that you at least need to be a threat from deep. Hibbert can't do any of those things, so he doesn't have a place in the league anymore. Fortunately for Dwight, even though he isn't as quick as he used to be, he's still quick footed enough to not kill you on defense. That may not last for much longer though.