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Post#81 » by Bassman » Sat Jul 7, 2018 1:56 am

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"Tough decision. Tough three days. Tough communicating it all to Pop," Parker told The Undefeated's Marc Spears. "But I had to move on. It was a very emotional conversation with Pop and [Spurs general manager] R.C. Buford. I will always love San Antonio. I will always be a Spur. My family and house are in San Antonio. But I'm excited to play for my idol in M.J. (Hornets owner Michael Jordan), coach J.B. (James Borrego), who I played for in San Antonio, and with my little brother Nicolas Batum."


Interesting quotes. Difficult to transition from a team you’ve been married to for so long.

Here’s the deal with Parker; he brings all the knowledge and wisdom of JB’s system, can be expected to execute as a vet from the bench, bring along young guys as a teacher, and set the table for the next generation PG. I hope he brings a fierce competitors spirit and lights a fire under Batum.
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Post#82 » by bws94 » Sat Jul 7, 2018 2:04 am

Former top PG. Guy still has a lot of skill. I hope he stays relatively healthy.
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Post#83 » by GoBobs » Sat Jul 7, 2018 2:33 am

His role on the team is a player. It is about on court production. We need on court production from the guy who is going to be our backup pg. If it is about something else, pay him 5 mil to be a coach and it won't count vs our cap, or at least make it a 1 year deal with a team option.

I love how everybody around here is ready to move on from MKG because of his poor outside shooting and yet are excited to sign a PG who make less outside shots then MKG did last year. He scores less points then MKG, has a worse TS% then MKG and makes less outside shots then MKG.

Parker doesn't shoot, he doesn't defend and he is 36 years old.

We could have had 20 mil less in payroll a year from now if we were willing to buy out Dwight like the Nets did. Instead we will be paying slightly more then that for Parker, Mozgov and Grapham.

Mitch needs to go.
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Post#84 » by 316Hornets » Sat Jul 7, 2018 2:46 am

GoBobs wrote:His role on the team is a player. It is about on court production. We need on court production from the guy who is going to be our backup pg. If it is about something else, pay him 5 mil to be a coach and it won't count vs our cap, or at least make it a 1 year deal with a team option.

I love how everybody around here is ready to move on from MKG because of his poor outside shooting and yet are excited to sign a PG who make less outside shots then MKG did last year. He scores less points then MKG, has a worse TS% then MKG and makes less outside shots then MKG.

Parker doesn't shoot, he doesn't defend and he is 36 years old.

We could have had 20 mil less in payroll a year from now if we were willing to buy out Dwight like the Nets did. Instead we will be paying slightly more then that for Parker, Mozgov and Grapham.

Mitch needs to go.


You have to realize Parker played in JB's system and I guess the coach isn't good enough to coach it to our players? I dunno lol.
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Post#85 » by Braggins » Sat Jul 7, 2018 5:51 am

I honestly hate this move unless the 2nd year isn't guaranteed and its still not good if thats the case. I don't think Parker can contribute anything on the court at this point and hes not a good fit even if he could.

If it was a vet minimum deal for him to simply be a player coach then it would be great, but if we are actually planning on playing him as our backup PG, I think this move is going to be a complete flop. I expect him to be about as good as Ramon Sessions last year here at best. If we seriously did the Dwight deal so that we could open up the MLE to sign Parker then that retroactively makes the Dwight deal bad imo since we could have just bought him out and our MLE signing is likely going to be useless.

At this point it feels like this organization intentionally tries to have the worst backup PG possible every season.
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Post#86 » by Lwcasu » Sat Jul 7, 2018 7:44 am

GoBobs wrote:His role on the team is a player. It is about on court production. We need on court production from the guy who is going to be our backup pg. If it is about something else, pay him 5 mil to be a coach and it won't count vs our cap, or at least make it a 1 year deal with a team option.

I love how everybody around here is ready to move on from MKG because of his poor outside shooting and yet are excited to sign a PG who make less outside shots then MKG did last year. He scores less points then MKG, has a worse TS% then MKG and makes less outside shots then MKG.

Parker doesn't shoot, he doesn't defend and he is 36 years old.

We could have had 20 mil less in payroll a year from now if we were willing to buy out Dwight like the Nets did. Instead we will be paying slightly more then that for Parker, Mozgov and Grapham.

Mitch needs to go.


This is so wrong on so many levels. First you're comparing a SF who probably should play small ball PF to a PG. Your whole argument is flawed. But, for the sake of the argument, lets make the assumption your argument isn't flawed. Per 36, Parker scores more points than MKG. You can't compare Apples to Oranges. MKG played more than Tony Parker last year. Next, Parker lives on the mid-range game. And, you realize MKG made 0 three point shots last year? So, that part of your argument is completely wrong. We've given MKG 6 seasons (this will be the 7th); why should we give him another? And, salary cap doesn't matter when you're not going to be signing anyone anyways.
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Post#87 » by bravor » Sat Jul 7, 2018 10:43 am

LofJ wrote:One thing I don't understand about those who are upset about this signing is the assumption that it's primarily about on-court production.

Do you think it's easy to implement a complex motion offense that requires lightning quick decision making and off ball movement? Borrego won't be able to get it done in a single season, it's going to take a while. Parker has played in that system for most of his career, his experience and expertise will be invaluable to Borrego, our other players, and the rest of the staff.

And that's not even mentioning the possibility that Parker will motivate Batum to play better, getting more value out of his contract would be worth the entire 10 million Tony is being paid over the next two years.


I am mad, because i am french and i am aware of what Hornets are signing. Many here are jugding by the Spur's duncan's time. He was the one making everyone better (well, except for Manu).
Parker is not a play maker, not a long range shooter,not a good defender, THAT was what this team needed.

otoh, this team commits to Batum since they wanna please him by bringing his star buddy. One more reason to hide on the court. And one less reason to move his contract ( :roll: ).

I thought things were exaggerated about the mismanagement when i arrived here, but i guess i have to surrender. Facts are what they are.

and yeah, i feel for Kemba, Cody hell, even for MKG.
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Post#88 » by Braggins » Sat Jul 7, 2018 11:35 am

LofJ wrote:One thing I don't understand about those who are upset about this signing is the assumption that it's primarily about on-court production.

Do you think it's easy to implement a complex motion offense that requires lightning quick decision making and off ball movement? Borrego won't be able to get it done in a single season, it's going to take a while. Parker has played in that system for most of his career, his experience and expertise will be invaluable to Borrego, our other players, and the rest of the staff.

And that's not even mentioning the possibility that Parker will motivate Batum to play better, getting more value out of his contract would be worth the entire 10 million Tony is being paid over the next two years.

If we are signing him for those reasons then it should be a veteran minimum deal. We had precious little cap space to use before hitting the tax line and we took on an extra year of dead salary on the Mozgov deal to get it. Using most of that cap space on someone that most likely can't contribute on the court seems like a poor use of it.
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Post#89 » by DY_nasty » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:38 pm

i've been a parker fan for ages

but if he wasn't playing for the spurs and winning people would be calling him out as a premier scumbag lmao

i really don't get how you can be a high character guy and smash a teammates wife like whatever but okay
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Post#90 » by yosemiteben » Sat Jul 7, 2018 12:44 pm

I really don't get the take that this move was for Batum. Yeah they know each other, but making Batum happy after giving him that contract has to be at the bottom of our list of priorities, and WAY below making Kemba happy. Makes me feel a lot better about this that we have JB as coach, he should know how much Parker has left in the tank.
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Post#91 » by -Ian- » Sat Jul 7, 2018 3:11 pm

I like this signing. This move gave us some mainstream media mileage.

TP can be huge for us as long as he stays healthy. Kemba looks up to him so I figure he's giddy with this development. Assuming Tony retires as a Hornet, I can see him becoming JB's assistant.
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Post#92 » by BlackOutBuzz » Sat Jul 7, 2018 4:57 pm

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Post#93 » by GoBobs » Sun Jul 8, 2018 2:12 am

Lwcasu wrote:
GoBobs wrote:His role on the team is a player. It is about on court production. We need on court production from the guy who is going to be our backup pg. If it is about something else, pay him 5 mil to be a coach and it won't count vs our cap, or at least make it a 1 year deal with a team option.

I love how everybody around here is ready to move on from MKG because of his poor outside shooting and yet are excited to sign a PG who make less outside shots then MKG did last year. He scores less points then MKG, has a worse TS% then MKG and makes less outside shots then MKG.

Parker doesn't shoot, he doesn't defend and he is 36 years old.

We could have had 20 mil less in payroll a year from now if we were willing to buy out Dwight like the Nets did. Instead we will be paying slightly more then that for Parker, Mozgov and Grapham.

Mitch needs to go.


This is so wrong on so many levels. First you're comparing a SF who probably should play small ball PF to a PG. Your whole argument is flawed. But, for the sake of the argument, lets make the assumption your argument isn't flawed. Per 36, Parker scores more points than MKG. You can't compare Apples to Oranges. MKG played more than Tony Parker last year. Next, Parker lives on the mid-range game. And, you realize MKG made 0 three point shots last year? So, that part of your argument is completely wrong. We've given MKG 6 seasons (this will be the 7th); why should we give him another? And, salary cap doesn't matter when you're not going to be signing anyone anyways.


MKG made more shots outside the key then Parker. He made more mid range shots then Parker.

Parker made more threes, but he only made 10 3pt shots on the season at a 27% clip. Even including those 10 3pt shots MKG made more shots outside the key.

I get they don't play the same position, but a PG should be more of a threat then a SF from deep ideally. That is hardly an excuse for Parker.

Why should we give MKG a chance after 6 seasons? I don't know maybe because he is still only 24 years old.

Mitch can stay though now that he turned Mozgov into Biz.

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