Thin the herd

[Bence]

As the Hornets now have 11-12 capable role players, thinning the frontcourt seems to be a must. Now I don't want to create trades here, we have the Fake trade thread for that, but simply: who'd you rather trade and why?
1. Frank or W/Billy?
2. MKG or Marv?


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[Bence]

1. I'd rather trade Frank. In my mind he won't be here next year, the FO won't give him a big contract and with the crazy amount of cap space next year for several teams he will be a consolation price. Billy is on a longer, supercheap rookie contract which I value far more.

2. I'd rather keep MKG as a last shot for him. Also I think Marc commands a positive value as counterparts in a trade while MKG is a minus for most teams.


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[HornetJail]

Any 2-3 of Marvin/Frank/Jeremy/one of our centers, for a single player that can immediately come in and upgrade one of positions 2-4 is probably our best case scenario. For a really good player, our 2019 1st or Bridges would probably have to be included. MKG could be had, but that player would have to a be a really good defender. Trading for Jabari Parker/Kevin Love/another defensive liability and having to send out MKG likely weakens our defense beyond repair.

[Bence]

Yeah of course any of them could be moved if we are being frank. My aim here would be to choose between the candidates. Frank and Willy are a likely pair. Similar strenghts, weaknesses and both on low contracts playing the same position. MKG and Marvin is another likely pair IMO. Similar contract, playing though very differently but could have value to other teams, also playing more or less the same positions.
In my book Frank is the one who should go from the first pair and Marvin from the second.
Biyombo isn’t a likely candidate for a transfer, neither is Cody. If we want to compete Batum will stay here I think.


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[MasterIchiro]

Established by the Faried trade where the Nuggets paid a first plus a second to move his contract, MKG or Marvin costs a 1st to move. If we're gonna need a first, might as well target Love as an expiring and get a player to upgrade the one spot we can upgrade (PF). They'd probably have to move Frank in that deal as well.

[MasterIchiro]

MKG + Marvin + Kaminsky 2019 + first protected 1-12 for Kevin Love.

Kemba - Parker
Lamb - Monk
Batum - Miles - Bacon
Love - Miles
Cody - Biz - Hernangomez

[MasterIchiro]

Or MKG + Marvin + Hernangomez + 2019 first protected 1-12 for Love. Keep Frank.

Kemba - Parker - Graham
Lamb - Monk - Bacon
Batum - Miles - Bacon
Love - Kaminsky - Miles
Cody - Kaminsky - Biz

[Bence]

Even With his lousy def., I would do this easily. It would show commitment to be competitive and not rebuild. Also this year even with Philly, Raps and Celts we could easily have a damn good PO run.

If you look at this as it is: we only sacrifice a 1st. Nothing else. We gain a good player and shorten two contracts. But I think the Cavs would demand more picks. Maybe 2 seconds?


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[MasterIchiro]

Even With his lousy def., I would do this easily. It would show commitment to be competitive and not rebuild. Also this year even with Philly, Raps and Celts we could easily have a damn good PO run.

If you look at this as it is: we only sacrifice a 1st. Nothing else. We gain a good player and shorten two contracts. But I think the Cavs would demand more picks. Maybe 2 seconds?


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Either we deal a first for Love and Love opts out creating cap space needed for Kemba or we trade a first to sell Kemba + Love at staying together long term.

Either way we trade a first to win now with Love and help retain Kemba with cap or a commitment to winning.

[MasterIchiro]

My point is, we have to move MKG + Marvin to keep Kemba, so Kemba will cost a first. Is Kemba worth a first?

The first is getting us 1 year of Love PLUS Kemba long term.

[Hornet Mania]

If we could actually swing Marv/MKG + 1st for Love that would be stellar.

But if we are just trimming around the edges, I'd rather lose Frank than anyone else. I've never been a big believer in his game and not particularly comfortable investing in him when his rookie deal expires.

[Bence]

If we could actually swing Marv/MKG + 1st for Love that would be stellar.

But if we are just trimming around the edges, I'd rather lose Frank than anyone else. I've never been a big believer in his game and not particularly comfortable investing in him when his rookie deal expires.

Agreed. And we will not be able to lowball him either with so many teams having cap space next summer.

[GoBobs]

Its hard to trade 3 dimes for a quarter in the NBA. We have a lot of role players but not a lot of teams are going to be beating down our door for them. If the new coaching staff does something better then the last one that could change drastically, but right now its probably better to hold on to what we have.

I would be comfortable trading Willy, Bacon or Bridges. I don't thing any of those guys will play enough to see their value improve during the season.

I have never really liked Frank but he had his best year last year. This year is kind of a contract year for him so I expect good effort. I heard he is going to be moving to center and that is going to help him big time because his rebounds will improve playing closer to the basket. We should either keep him or see if his value improves during the season before exploring a trade. If MKG works at PF a 3pt shooting center like Frank pairs nicely with him.

MKG we shouldn't trade. Him and Biz are the only plus rebounders and defenders on the team. Biz can be forced out of the game when teams go small. MKG can defend on the perimeter, he is a good help defender, he is a good on ball defender and he is a good rebounder. Right now we are trying to win and this team isn't going anywhere without MKG.

Most of our guys can either score but can't defend (Marv, Frank, Monk, Kemba) or can defend but can't score (Biz, MKG). The closest thing we have to a true two way player is Batum. Lamb also has some potential here so I wouldn't move either of those guys.

Maybe something like Biz, and Bridges for Love if you want to target Love. I don't know, to me he is just another guy who can score but doesn't defend. I guess he can rebound at least.

[predators]

I wouldn't really blink if we traded any of our players unless it was Kemba to a non-contender.

[GiggitySmalls]

Love with Kemba with youngins like monk n miles...it could get interesting.

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[Braggins]

Established by the Faried trade where the Nuggets paid a first plus a second to move his contract, MKG or Marvin costs a 1st to move. If we're gonna need a first, might as well target Love as an expiring and get a player to upgrade the one spot we can upgrade (PF). They'd probably have to move Frank in that deal as well.

MKG and Marvin are both playable. Faried is undersized, cant guard any position or protect the rim, and cant score. Hes purely a rebounding specialist. His value should be less than MKG/Marv.