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Re: Hornets refuse buyout to Kaminsky 

Post#21 » by catch20two » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:54 pm

Hornet Mania wrote:I don't see the problem with this. If JB feels like Frank could help the team down the stretch if someone goes down there is no reason to buy him out.

I know a lot of fans are discouraged right now but the coach and front office is almost certainly working under the assumption/hope that the team makes a playoff push. If something happened to Biz or Cody (or both) Frank provides a better alternative than any free agent. I would have been fine with trading him at the deadline but now that the time has passed his greatest value to the team is as a possible injury replacement and in that context he beats all of our other options (including Willy, imo).

They have ZERO intentions on playing Frank. He’s the last big on the bench behind even Willy. He’s behind the the DNP-CD guys lol.

Dealing in good faith is good business. It would’ve saved the organization money to buy him out instead of waiting for his cap hold to holdover in the offseason.

I don’t expect no trade of Frank this offseason. They’ll just not extend him the QO and he’ll become a free agent.

Watch how it plays out. And if I’m wrong I’ll come back and apologize. I’ll even change my signature to whatever you want it to be whether it’s praising you or whatever.

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Re: Hornets refuse buyout to Kaminsky 

Post#22 » by yosemiteben » Fri Mar 1, 2019 12:46 am

catch20two wrote:Dealing in good faith is good business. It would’ve saved the organization money to buy him out instead of waiting for his cap hold to holdover in the offseason.

Again, do you have a single example of a player on a non-expiring rookie deal getting bought out? You say this like a buyout is at all normal in this situation. The Hornets aren't acting in bad faith, Frank is.

Even if Charlotte lets Frank go for nothing this summer, this is still the right move IMO. I'd prefer to hold on to the possibility of extracting value rather than allowing Frank to tell us what to do.

I mean, I just find it kind of ironic that we criticize the team for selling draft picks (and rightly so), but now you criticize management for not agreeing to a buyout of a player that could potentially be used to improve the roster with the argument that we could save money as part of the buyout.
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Re: Hornets refuse buyout to Kaminsky 

Post#23 » by tondi123 » Fri Mar 1, 2019 2:15 am

And I'm sure the Hornets would have liked him to not be a wasted lottery pick. Sometimes we don't get what we want.
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Re: Hornets refuse buyout to Kaminsky 

Post#24 » by Eoghan » Fri Mar 1, 2019 2:24 am

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Re: Hornets refuse buyout to Kaminsky 

Post#25 » by DY_nasty » Fri Mar 1, 2019 3:40 am

i mean, i don't really think we're WRONG for not wanting to buy the guy out. that's a favor to him and we're not obligated to do stuff like that - just like we weren't obligated to overpay damn near everyone on the roster who was up

i think it says more that we stood up for guys like lance stephenson when he was having one of the worst seasons ever, helped guys like livingston and lin revive their careers, have kemba winning sportmanship awards, mj reaching out to our younger guys, etc

no one is losing sleep over frank kaminsky. dude put more work into his commentary than his defense and rookie contracts almost never get bought out. i'm more disappointed in signing a guy like shelvin mack than i am in frank's 'mistreatment'. we gave him every opportunity here and supported him when it wasn't easy to do so. tough this is how it ends but that's life
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Re: Hornets refuse buyout to Kaminsky 

Post#26 » by BlackOutBuzz » Fri Mar 1, 2019 1:18 pm

I've never understood why he was even considered a buyout candidate. His contract isn't an albatross and he isn't technically an expiring deal. In fact restricting him and moving him for a trade exception could prove valuable to a team that projects to be capped out.

You don't just get a buyout because you're being petulant, there has to be at least neutral value for the team or it makes no sense. He can wait a couple months.

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Re: Hornets refuse buyout to Kaminsky 

Post#27 » by Diop » Fri Mar 1, 2019 1:29 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:I've never understood why he was even considered a buyout candidate. His contract isn't an albatross and he isn't technically an expiring deal. In fact restricting him and moving him for a trade exception could prove valuable to a team that projects to be capped out.

You don't just get a buyout because you're being petulant, there has to be at least neutral value for the team or it makes no sense. He can wait a couple months.

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So could he be traded then cut by a team for pure cap space?
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Re: Hornets refuse buyout to Kaminsky 

Post#28 » by BlackOutBuzz » Fri Mar 1, 2019 1:31 pm

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BlackOutBuzz wrote:I've never understood why he was even considered a buyout candidate. His contract isn't an albatross and he isn't technically an expiring deal. In fact restricting him and moving him for a trade exception could prove valuable to a team that projects to be capped out.

You don't just get a buyout because you're being petulant, there has to be at least neutral value for the team or it makes no sense. He can wait a couple months.

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So could he be traded then cut by a team for pure cap space?
Not likely, a team acquiring him would make an offer sheet, we'd take back cash or a fake 2nd to "trade" him instead of matching. Then we'd get a TPE relative to his new contract, similar to when Memphis "traded" for Troy Daniels.

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Re: Hornets refuse buyout to Kaminsky 

Post#29 » by Lwcasu » Sat Mar 2, 2019 2:38 pm

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Hornet Mania wrote:I don't see the problem with this. If JB feels like Frank could help the team down the stretch if someone goes down there is no reason to buy him out.

I know a lot of fans are discouraged right now but the coach and front office is almost certainly working under the assumption/hope that the team makes a playoff push. If something happened to Biz or Cody (or both) Frank provides a better alternative than any free agent. I would have been fine with trading him at the deadline but now that the time has passed his greatest value to the team is as a possible injury replacement and in that context he beats all of our other options (including Willy, imo).

They have ZERO intentions on playing Frank. He’s the last big on the bench behind even Willy. He’s behind the the DNP-CD guys lol.

Dealing in good faith is good business. It would’ve saved the organization money to buy him out instead of waiting for his cap hold to holdover in the offseason.

I don’t expect no trade of Frank this offseason. They’ll just not extend him the QO and he’ll become a free agent.

Watch how it plays out. And if I’m wrong I’ll come back and apologize. I’ll even change my signature to whatever you want it to be whether it’s praising you or whatever.

Unlike other people (not you) I don’t run from being wrong or get offended when somebody call me out on it later on.


I’m not a big Kaminsky fan to say the least but zero? That didn’t quite go as expected.
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Re: Hornets refuse buyout to Kaminsky 

Post#30 » by BlackOutBuzz » Sat Mar 2, 2019 2:51 pm

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Re: Hornets refuse buyout to Kaminsky 

Post#31 » by catch20two » Sat Mar 2, 2019 2:53 pm

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catch20two wrote:
Hornet Mania wrote:I don't see the problem with this. If JB feels like Frank could help the team down the stretch if someone goes down there is no reason to buy him out.

I know a lot of fans are discouraged right now but the coach and front office is almost certainly working under the assumption/hope that the team makes a playoff push. If something happened to Biz or Cody (or both) Frank provides a better alternative than any free agent. I would have been fine with trading him at the deadline but now that the time has passed his greatest value to the team is as a possible injury replacement and in that context he beats all of our other options (including Willy, imo).

They have ZERO intentions on playing Frank. He’s the last big on the bench behind even Willy. He’s behind the the DNP-CD guys lol.

Dealing in good faith is good business. It would’ve saved the organization money to buy him out instead of waiting for his cap hold to holdover in the offseason.

I don’t expect no trade of Frank this offseason. They’ll just not extend him the QO and he’ll become a free agent.

Watch how it plays out. And if I’m wrong I’ll come back and apologize. I’ll even change my signature to whatever you want it to be whether it’s praising you or whatever.

Unlike other people (not you) I don’t run from being wrong or get offended when somebody call me out on it later on.


I’m not a big Kaminsky fan to say the least but zero? That didn’t quite go as expected.

Lol they played Frank all those minutes last night to spite me.
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Re: Hornets refuse buyout to Kaminsky 

Post#32 » by amcoolio » Sat Mar 2, 2019 4:24 pm

Its not all on our front office...We needed Frank to be good... needed him to give us a scoring punch...he just wasn't able to do it

I am still a fan of his and want him to do well. Hopefully last night's game kickstarts him and he becomes a reliable scorer off the bench the rest of the way.

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