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Re: NBA Draft Thread 

Post#301 » by TheKingofSting » Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:54 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:I honestly don't get why he was such a big deal in the first place. I'm not super impressed by his high school tape.


Here we go again with not seeing the big picture.

The reason to draft him is so we could redshirt him and tank. He would be similar to the way the 76ers handled Embiid. I'm not even going to ask how a guy ranked top of his class in the nation doesn't impress you.


It has been reported since the draft that the dude may not even be able to walk in the next 10-15 years. There is a reason 12 teams passed on him and the Clippers twice. The dude's medicals are Alfred Hitchcock scary!


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Re: NBA Draft Thread 

Post#302 » by yosemiteben » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:01 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:I honestly don't get why he was such a big deal in the first place. I'm not super impressed by his high school tape.


Here we go again with not seeing the big picture.

The reason to draft him is so we could redshirt him and tank. He would be similar to the way the 76ers handled Embiid. I'm not even going to ask how a guy ranked top of his class in the nation doesn't impress you.

Not sure why my not liking a particular prospect has anything to do with big picture thinking. The number 5 prospect in his class was Duval, yet look how he turned out. High school rankings are extremely unreliable predictors.

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Re: NBA Draft Thread 

Post#303 » by TheKingofSting » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:04 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Read this thread about Porter ... "He'll be lucky to be walking in 15 years let alone playing sports."
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Post#304 » by SWedd523 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:20 pm

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316Hornets wrote:If any team was in position to bring him along slowly, it was us.

I see it the exact opposite


Are we really in win now mode? What chance do we have of even making it to the 2nd round of the playoffs with this capped out roster. Monk showed us nothing last season and the only thing we have to look forward to is a season without Dwight and Cliff.

Don't confuse the team being in win now mode with the team being very good.

Any team paying over $65 million to Batum/Marvin/MKG/Zeller is not a patient team, nor is it a team in rebuild mode.
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Re: NBA Draft Thread 

Post#305 » by yosemiteben » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:27 pm

Usually win now teams don't have all their draft picks, no?
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Post#306 » by 316Hornets » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:37 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Usually win now teams don't have all their draft picks, no?


That would be the NFL. For the NBA, win now teams usually have to do with contracts since it's hard to form a group paying actual value while beating other teams who have had some luck in regards to players exceeding their payrate. Unfortunately, Charlotte has too many bloated contracts and with a healthy roster last season, came up dreadfully short of the playoffs. Not sure what would make anyone think batum is going to improve either. He's got too much weight on that frame and is going downhill fast.
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Re: NBA Draft Thread 

Post#307 » by 316Hornets » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:39 pm

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SWedd523 wrote:I see it the exact opposite


Are we really in win now mode? What chance do we have of even making it to the 2nd round of the playoffs with this capped out roster. Monk showed us nothing last season and the only thing we have to look forward to is a season without Dwight and Cliff.

Don't confuse the team being in win now mode with the team being very good.

Any team paying over $65 million to Batum/Marvin/MKG/Zeller is not a patient team, nor is it a team in rebuild mode.


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Re: NBA Draft Thread 

Post#308 » by yosemiteben » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:43 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:Usually win now teams don't have all their draft picks, no?


That would be the NFL. For the NBA, win now teams usually have to do with contracts...

Teams frequently trade future picks to get win now players. That was how Hinkie did most of his business. It's why MIA and CLE (if LeBron walks) are currently pretty screwed, and why BRK was screwed for years.
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Post#309 » by 316Hornets » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:44 pm

Miles Bridges is the type of guy you draft when you are in a good spot and need that guy who's ready to come in 1st year and be a positive addition in the playoffs. The Hornets are not in a good position and not likely to make the playoffs. So, why get this guy. He has to be trade bait for Cle.
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Re: NBA Draft Thread 

Post#310 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:12 am

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yosemiteben wrote:I honestly don't get why he was such a big deal in the first place. I'm not super impressed by his high school tape.


Here we go again with not seeing the big picture.

The reason to draft him is so we could redshirt him and tank. He would be similar to the way the 76ers handled Embiid. I'm not even going to ask how a guy ranked top of his class in the nation doesn't impress you.

I know that tanking is a logical strategy for maximizing picks that's favored by many folks here, however I don't think that Charlotte was ever going to try tanking in the near term, even if Kemba was traded.
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Post#311 » by 316Hornets » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:21 am

so... this is our odds with Kemba

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Post#312 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:30 am

Of course this team isn't winning the finals. That doesn't mean they should trade Kemba though. Teams have to get good before they can take that next step to really compete for a ring. At this point the best thing the team can do is start rebuilding their reputation as a reliable winning franchise. They need to make smart draft picks, free agent signings, and strategic trades while building a good culture.
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Post#313 » by KingCat » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:43 am

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Of course this team isn't winning the finals. That doesn't mean they should trade Kemba though. Teams have to get good before they can take that next step to really compete for a ring. At this point the best thing the team can do is start rebuilding their reputation as a reliable winning franchise. They need to make smart draft picks, free agent signings, and strategic trades while building a good culture.


The Hornets have been trying to do this since signing Al in 2013...And now 5 years later we are in the same exact spot we were when we first kicked off the rebuild in 2011
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Re: NBA Draft Thread 

Post#314 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:55 am

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Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Of course this team isn't winning the finals. That doesn't mean they should trade Kemba though. Teams have to get good before they can take that next step to really compete for a ring. At this point the best thing the team can do is start rebuilding their reputation as a reliable winning franchise. They need to make smart draft picks, free agent signings, and strategic trades while building a good culture.


The Hornets have been trying to do this since signing all in 2013...And now 5 years later we are in the same exact spot we were when we first kicked off the rebuild in 2011

True. They failed at it. This is why there is a new GM and coach now. This does not also mean that all previous effort was bad. Individual elements like the stability of having Cliff for as long as he was here and some players like Kemba may be things that can be built on.
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Post#315 » by TheKingofSting » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:48 am

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KingCat wrote:
Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Of course this team isn't winning the finals. That doesn't mean they should trade Kemba though. Teams have to get good before they can take that next step to really compete for a ring. At this point the best thing the team can do is start rebuilding their reputation as a reliable winning franchise. They need to make smart draft picks, free agent signings, and strategic trades while building a good culture.


The Hornets have been trying to do this since signing all in 2013...And now 5 years later we are in the same exact spot we were when we first kicked off the rebuild in 2011

True. They failed at it. This is why there is a new GM and coach now. This does not also mean that all previous effort was bad. Individual elements like the stability of having Cliff for as long as he was here and some players like Kemba may be things that can be built on.


Exactly, I'm a 36 year old man and it disturbs me that we live in a what have you done for me lately in the last five minutes or just hand me a championship generation, not every coach is going to lead you to the NBA Finals, there are steps and whether people like Cliff or not he stabilized our franchise by being here as long as he was. You can't keep changing head coaches every year and expect to be taken seriously. Cliff left us in a better place than before he took the job. I will use my favorite baseball team the Braves for example they have been rebuilding and are after 5 or so years of rebuilding are in first place in the division near the All-Star break, there were players and coaches along the way that are no longer there that laid the foundation for the process that should get as much credit for turning the culture around as anyone, one veteran Nick Markakis should make his first ever All-Star game this year in his mid 30's on an expiring deal and signed on right in the heart of the rebuild and isn't part of the long-term plans but he and those no longer with the organization deserve as much credit as the young players finally making it to the big leagues and realizing their potential now. Another example, high school football is king here and my alma mater (Gaffney High School Indians) have 17 South Carolina State Championships which is most in the state but we haven't won one since 2012 and do you know how many of the past five champions would trade that for a history like ours? Probably all five.

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Post#316 » by 316Hornets » Fri Jan 3, 2020 4:00 am

316Hornets wrote:Porter goes from one of the top 3 of the class to 14 due to injury concerns. If any team was in position to bring him along slowly, it was us. Very strange to waive on the guy.


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Post#317 » by CatgutStitches » Fri Jan 3, 2020 6:52 pm

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316Hornets wrote:Porter goes from one of the top 3 of the class to 14 due to injury concerns. If any team was in position to bring him along slowly, it was us. Very strange to waive on the guy.


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