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BFHOS - ERICK DAMPIER AKA THE DUST CHIP

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BFHOS - ERICK DAMPIER AKA THE DUST CHIP 

Post#1 » by fatlever » Sun Apr 3, 2022 7:28 am

yes or no?

gonna need a good recap of events on this move, as it was part of a series of desperate moves to clear space because we thought we could lure mega stars to charlotte

dampier's unguaranteed sign and trade chip = dust chip

anyone have a good memory of how this played out?
this is not a vote on dampier the player, but the series of moves, the concept etc...
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Re: BFHOS - ERICK DAMPIER AKA THE DUST CHIP 

Post#2 » by Diop » Sun Apr 3, 2022 10:23 am

this is what I wrote on an Australian forum back in 2010.

The Chandler trade was of course about money and some pipe dream idea that Melo could be had for a package including Dampier as Denver wanted to save money. Apparently MJ had dreamed up some idea that he could get Melo and Chris Paul from New Orleans for a package including Wallace. Neither party hung up on him straight away so he gave it a shot and lost. Was it ever really close to a deal, who knows, but it was an exciting rumour for us Cat fans for a couple of days.


I dunno, Chandler was good for Dallas, but he didn't do anything for us. We also got Matt Carrol and the Mexicat Najera with that deal.

it was definitely a swing for the fences but it didn't really cost us anything.
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BFHOS - ERICK DAMPIER AKA THE DUST CHIP 

Post#3 » by BigSlam » Sun Apr 3, 2022 12:06 pm

Easy no.

They put themselves in a position to try and maximise an expiring contact that was not guaranteed in a trade and couldn’t find a trade partner.

Trades requires compliance between two teams.

Sometimes it happens. Sometimes it doesn’t.

This is one of those times it didn’t.

Trading the top 10 pick for Richardson was a zillion times worse IMO.
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Re: BFHOS - ERICK DAMPIER AKA THE DUST CHIP 

Post#4 » by amcoolio » Sun Apr 3, 2022 1:43 pm

Remember when there were rumors we were using it for Carmelo Anthony lol
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Post#5 » by HornetJail » Sun Apr 3, 2022 3:07 pm

lol no, we have way more disgracefully bad moves to clown than this cost cutting move.
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Post#6 » by MPM » Sun Apr 3, 2022 8:02 pm

Voted no on this one - as exceptionally frustrating as it was, not worth etching into the virtual stone of our BFHOF
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Re: BFHOS - ERICK DAMPIER AKA THE DUST CHIP 

Post#7 » by Bassman » Sun Apr 3, 2022 8:41 pm

If this HOF is strictly about the player, no. He had nothing to do with a stupid front office maneuver.

Perhaps in the off-season we have a similar campaign for front office moves. First 37 will likely be unanimous.
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Re: BFHOS - ERICK DAMPIER AKA THE DUST CHIP 

Post#8 » by fatlever » Mon Apr 4, 2022 12:13 am

The hall of Shane can be about anything from a player, coach, general manager, a particular game, or basically anything related to the franchise.

I haven't voted yet on this because I'm trying to collect my thoughts. I'm going to prepare an argument in favor of this move being added to the hall of Shame at least to have the counter argument

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Re: BFHOS - ERICK DAMPIER AKA THE DUST CHIP 

Post#9 » by Bassman » Mon Apr 4, 2022 12:51 am

fatlever wrote:The hall of Shane can be about anything from a player, coach, general manager, a particular game, or basically anything related to the franchise.

I haven't voted yet on this because I'm trying to collect my thoughts. I'm going to prepare an argument in favor of this move being added to the hall of Shame at least to have the counter argument

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Got it, but it does seem pretty broad. The “dust chip” was yet another in a long line of maneuvers which “got my hopes up for a major move”, which then turned into crap, which got me pissed off at the front office, GM, owner, you name it.

Since this covers anything or anyone, Rich Cho should be nominated before this episode or possibly anything or anyone else. What a pathetic waste of a human being in a decision-making role. I blame him for an entire lost generation of Hornets basketball.
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Post#10 » by BigSlam » Mon Apr 4, 2022 1:17 am

If it’s specific game the Jackson Vs the Clippers in the drunk game should be a consideration.
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Re: BFHOS - ERICK DAMPIER AKA THE DUST CHIP 

Post#11 » by fatlever » Mon Apr 4, 2022 2:29 pm

The series of events as I remembered, pretty much what Diop already posted...

We traded Emeka Okafor for Tyson Chandler in 2009. Great rate at the time as we desperately needed a center with more size. Plus we dodged a bullet because Okafor ended up having a lot of back trouble once he was traded and was never the same player.

Chandler should have been a perfect fit and anchor for the 2009 2010 team that went to the playoffs. However, reoccurring foot injuries kept him in and out of the lineup, earning him the name pussyfoot. His inability to stay healthy really angered Larry Brown, and Larry seemed to try to make statements by benching Chandler in favor of 52 year old Theo Ratliff and the albatross contract of Diop.

The 3 Center rotation would be termed FrankenCenter

Brown refused to change his rotation in the playoffs and the Bobcats were embarrassed by the magic and swept in four games.

A relationship with brown and Chandler was not good and either Brown wanted Chandler out or Chandler wanted out or both.

This was also around the time that the SuperFriends decided to team up in Miami. Jordan, at the time, always tried to emulate what everyone else was doing in the league two steps too late. Whether that be trying to model after the Detroit Pistons of 2004, create his own Super Friends team, model after the Grizzlies, become a three-point shooting team like the Warriors.

During the summer of 2010 there were rumors swirling that Jordan was trying to convince Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul to team up in Charlotte to form their own super team. I remember there were even rumors floating around at the hooptee charity golf event that summer. I don't think anyone actually gave the Bobcats even at 1% chance of being able to pull this off but maybe Jordan and the front office had more Intel than we knew about.

In order to pull off this trade they needed to free up some cap space. That's when the dust chip plan was hatched. Bobcats traded Tyson Chandler to the Dallas Mavericks for Erick dampier, who had a non-guaranteed contract that could be waived to create the imaginary cap space needed to try to go after Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul.

As you can imagine neither player gave joining the Bobcats a second thought watch free agency started. Carmelo went to join Amar'e Stoudemire in New York and Chris Paul tried to join the Lakers. Them teaming up in Charlotte was never an option.

The Hornets ended up waving to a contract a month later and essentially landed a washed-up Matt Carroll and Edward najera in a trade for Tyson Chandler, who was just about to enter the prime of his career.

In the four years following Chandler's trade away from Charlotte he one a championship with Dallas the following year, and was also 2nd team team all-defense. He was the anchor of the defense that beat Miami that year. The following year he went to the Knicks where he won defensive player of the year and first team all-defense, 3rd team all NBA. The year after that he was second-team all defense and an All-Star.

In hindsight it was a pretty terrible trade. We never had a chance at Landing Carmelo or Paul. And we gave up too soon on a really good player who was entering his prime.

How much of this was because Larry Brown constantly complained about the roster?
How much was because Jordan just couldn't stand losing and thought he could compete with teams like Miami and New York and La when it came to recruiting free agents?
It's doubtful Chandler would have agreed to play another season with brown. That relationship was ruined. So we probably had to trade him one way or the other. Sadly, his trade value was at an all-time low because of the reoccurring foot injuries and because of the damage Larry Brown had done.

I'm not sure where this ranks in the all-time horrible trades made by this franchise. But I doubt that it's worthy to be inducted into the inaugural class of the Hall of Shame. Maybe we come back to this one in a few years. Larry Brown had ruined the roster by the summer of 2011 and it needed to be blown up. So keeping Chandler didn't really make sense anyway.

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Re: BFHOS - ERICK DAMPIER AKA THE DUST CHIP 

Post#12 » by fatlever » Tue Apr 5, 2022 9:15 pm

This is a wrap...

DUST chip not voted in

Who is next? My suggestions...

Lance Stephenson
Ray Wooldridge
Sam Vincent
Rod Higgins
Rich Cho
Stephen Jackson drunk game
Purple shirt guy



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Re: BFHOS - ERICK DAMPIER AKA THE DUST CHIP 

Post#13 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Apr 5, 2022 9:49 pm

fatlever wrote:This is a wrap...

DUST chip not voted in

Who is next? My suggestions...

Lance Stephenson
Ray Wooldridge
Sam Vincent
Rod Higgins
Rich Cho
Stephen Jackson drunk game
Purple shirt guy



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Vincent almost missing a damn flight is almost worthy in itself. Wouldn't that have been a 500k fine?
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Re: BFHOS - ERICK DAMPIER AKA THE DUST CHIP 

Post#14 » by fatlever » Wed Apr 6, 2022 2:48 pm

Sam Vincent next. Should be fun.

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