The Gordon Hayward Thread

[yosemiteben]

...the most volatile, terrible human being currently in the NBA...

Wow

Sorry, I guess I should be a little more open to the situation.

the most volatile, terrible human being in the NBA THAT I KNOW OF. As far as I know, no one else had scholarships revoked before going to Cincy, didn't drop from being a lottery pick to a second rounder because of disciplinary issues, has thrown a woman down a flight of stairs, and starts fist fights with teammates during practice.

Could be wrong though.

Dude is a nutcase.

Pretty sure he's not the only one who's gotten in a fight in practice, and the rest of the stuff happened like five years ago.

[BeesWax]

Wow

Sorry, I guess I should be a little more open to the situation.

the most volatile, terrible human being in the NBA THAT I KNOW OF. As far as I know, no one else had scholarships revoked before going to Cincy, didn't drop from being a lottery pick to a second rounder because of disciplinary issues, has thrown a woman down a flight of stairs, and starts fist fights with teammates during practice.

Could be wrong though.

Dude is a nutcase.

Pretty sure he's not the only one who's gotten in a fight in practice, and the rest of the stuff happened like five years ago.

If it was one fight then fine. But he fought with Turner and Hill at different points in the season. Add to that his weird on court antics and it starts to get troubling. He has issues. If he gets here I will hope for the best but it will worry me for a while that he will blow up.

[yosemiteben]

Sorry, I guess I should be a little more open to the situation.

the most volatile, terrible human being in the NBA THAT I KNOW OF. As far as I know, no one else had scholarships revoked before going to Cincy, didn't drop from being a lottery pick to a second rounder because of disciplinary issues, has thrown a woman down a flight of stairs, and starts fist fights with teammates during practice.

Could be wrong though.

Dude is a nutcase.

Pretty sure he's not the only one who's gotten in a fight in practice, and the rest of the stuff happened like five years ago.

If it was one fight then fine. But he fought with Turner and Hill at different points in the season. Add to that his weird on court antics and it starts to get troubling. He has issues. If he gets here I will hope for the best but it will worry me for a while that he will blow up.

That team needed a kick in the ass. I'm not going to fault the one guy who gave consistent effort. If Hibbert got pissed off like Lance did maybe he wouldn't have needed the owner to try to play mind games just to get him interested in performing in the playoffs. We didn't hear anything about Lance being disruptive to team chemistry until we witnessed one of the most dramatic team collapses in NBA history.

[Sonrisen]

He had the whole team to the dick? Maybe its a bew saying im not aware of

That's hood slang for he had the whole team to himself. He was the first option.

Lol oh. Well I just learned something new.

It's like axe, instead of ask.

[mrknowitall215]

I'd rather ride into the season with Henderson, CDR, and Hairston before I'd recommend us to pay Hayward anything North of $8 million. I don't think Hayward has proven anything in this league other than inconsistency from the 3-point line. Last season was a contract year for him on a terrible team, where his team would've been worst than the Sixers & Bucks had Trey Burke not returned from injury, and he still posted rather mundane raw numbers. I would've expected him to average closer to 20 points than he did

[InProblematique]

Wow

Sorry, I guess I should be a little more open to the situation.

the most volatile, terrible human being in the NBA THAT I KNOW OF. As far as I know, no one else had scholarships revoked before going to Cincy, didn't drop from being a lottery pick to a second rounder because of disciplinary issues, has thrown a woman down a flight of stairs, and starts fist fights with teammates during practice.

Could be wrong though.

Dude is a nutcase.

Pretty sure he's not the only one who's gotten in a fight in practice, and the rest of the stuff happened like five years ago.

There were at least two documented fights this season, and he hasn't shown any signs of maturing in the five years since the "rest of the stuff" happened.

The fact that you're even justifying throwing a woman down a flight of stairs by saying, "that stuff happened 5 years ago" is kind of awful. Once you do that, you don't get the benefit of the doubt, especially considering how immature he still is.

[InProblematique]

Sorry, I guess I should be a little more open to the situation.

the most volatile, terrible human being in the NBA THAT I KNOW OF. As far as I know, no one else had scholarships revoked before going to Cincy, didn't drop from being a lottery pick to a second rounder because of disciplinary issues, has thrown a woman down a flight of stairs, and starts fist fights with teammates during practice.

Could be wrong though.

Dude is a nutcase.

Pretty sure he's not the only one who's gotten in a fight in practice, and the rest of the stuff happened like five years ago.

If it was one fight then fine. But he fought with Turner and Hill at different points in the season. Add to that his weird on court antics and it starts to get troubling. He has issues. If he gets here I will hope for the best but it will worry me for a while that he will blow up.

Yep. This. If we sign him, we need to work in a clause in his contract that mandates anger management/psych sessions. Straight up. Otherwise, he's way too loose of a cannon for me.

[yosemiteben]

Sorry, I guess I should be a little more open to the situation.

the most volatile, terrible human being in the NBA THAT I KNOW OF. As far as I know, no one else had scholarships revoked before going to Cincy, didn't drop from being a lottery pick to a second rounder because of disciplinary issues, has thrown a woman down a flight of stairs, and starts fist fights with teammates during practice.

Could be wrong though.

Dude is a nutcase.

Pretty sure he's not the only one who's gotten in a fight in practice, and the rest of the stuff happened like five years ago.

There were at least two documented fights this season, and he hasn't shown any signs of maturing in the five years since the "rest of the stuff" happened.

The fact that you're even justifying throwing a woman down a flight of stairs by saying, "that stuff happened 5 years ago" is kind of awful. Once you do that, you don't get the benefit of the doubt, especially considering how immature he still is.

The facts are far from established about the stairs incident, and yes I shockingly am willing to understand that a high schooler could make a stupid decision and don't view that incident as posing a risk now.

I don't see practice scuffles during a period when his team was going through an epic collapse as evidence that he is a huge risk.

[BeesWax]

Pretty sure he's not the only one who's gotten in a fight in practice, and the rest of the stuff happened like five years ago.

If it was one fight then fine. But he fought with Turner and Hill at different points in the season. Add to that his weird on court antics and it starts to get troubling. He has issues. If he gets here I will hope for the best but it will worry me for a while that he will blow up.

That team needed a kick in the ass. I'm not going to fault the one guy who gave consistent effort. If Hibbert got pissed off like Lance did maybe he wouldn't have needed the owner to try to play mind games just to get him interested in performing in the playoffs. We didn't hear anything about Lance being disruptive to team chemistry until we witnessed one of the most dramatic team collapses in NBA history.

Instead of a kick in the ass he drove it straight into the ground. His distractions and attitude may have been what caused players to play poorly. There were a lot of rumors about his issues in practice too. It is one thing to have fight in you and it is another to antagonize people.

[yosemiteben]

If it was one fight then fine. But he fought with Turner and Hill at different points in the season. Add to that his weird on court antics and it starts to get troubling. He has issues. If he gets here I will hope for the best but it will worry me for a while that he will blow up.

That team needed a kick in the ass. I'm not going to fault the one guy who gave consistent effort. If Hibbert got pissed off like Lance did maybe he wouldn't have needed the owner to try to play mind games just to get him interested in performing in the playoffs. We didn't hear anything about Lance being disruptive to team chemistry until we witnessed one of the most dramatic team collapses in NBA history.

Instead of a kick in the ass he drove it straight into the ground. His distractions and attitude may have been what caused players to play poorly. There were a lot of rumors about his issues in practice too. It is one thing to have fight in you and it is another to antagonize people.

That's one theory. I personally don't think you can blame Hibbert literally falling off the map and the distractions that Paul George introduced on Lance. If Shaq and Kobe taught us one thing, it's that a team doesn't have to have functional relationships to win.

Just realized this conversation is going on in the Hayward thread, probably should cut it off and move it to the Lance thread.

[chabber]

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[BeesWax]

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I am really curious how this goes. Would be nice to get some leaks about any deals before they happen. Then at least we can complain or get excited before we have to accept.

[MasterIchiro]

I am AMPED! I think we get this guy today.

[ARHornet]

If Cho and Jordan can pull this off without losing assets I'll be pretty impressed.

[MasterIchiro]

He's a player!!! GET. HIM.

HOOOLY green tea high.

[LofJ]

I am AMPED! I think we get this guy today.

Only if it's a sign & trade, we can't offer him a contract until the 10th.

[MasterIchiro]

I am AMPED! I think we get this guy today.

Only if it's a sign & trade, we can't offer him a contract until the 10th.

Like I said!!! Suit him up today.

[ohara]

Really hope we lay out a solid number which gets his attention.

[ARHornet]

I just can't see this working out well for us. If we offer, one of three things will happen and none of them are good for us. We'll massively overpay Hayward, lose significant assets in a sign and trade, or Utah will simply match the offer sheet and we will have wasted our time. Or maybe we get cold feet and don't even offer. I'd love to have Hayward on this team, but logically I don't see how we make it work. If Cho can get Hayward here without overpaying or losing assets he deserves the Exec of the Year award.

[yosemiteben]

I don't think we're going to get him without a S&T. I'm skeptical that we'll get him via a S&T without giving up too much. I'm not very optimistic about Hayward being a good move for the franchise, but I'm not particularly worried about it.