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Re: Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1 

Post#101 » by bws94 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:04 am

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Vae Victus wrote:The 1st 2 games, Lin played alright. Shoulda been more aggressive but he didnt get the ball enough to really make his mark, Batum in game means Lin gets way less usage.

Game 3, i felt Lin was straight up the MVP as his excellent play on both sides of the ball galvanized the team.

Game 4, Lin was pivotal in getting the team out of the early rut the starters typically get into. He was awesome all the way until the 2nd half of the 4th quarter where he made 2 costly TOs (which i thought were ****), but the team luckily had a hot Kemba to bail them out.

Game 5, the "stars" are shooting like **** or crippled by injury, Lin himself shooting pretty meh, but his passing and defense were key to keeping the team in it. Kemba was just plain off on drives, although he was hot from 3. Marvin was MVP for his overall play. Lin a close 2nd in importance in my opinion.

Games 1/2 Lin played solid if unspectacular ball, however he was showing a penchant for drawing fouls. Games 3/4 Lin was utterly pivotal in winning the game with his offense and overall game. Game 5 Lin used his passing wizardry to get easy buckets for everyone else.

And so far we haent had a single Linsanity type game yet! Im just hoping Game 6 Lin puts an exclamation point in snuffing out the Heat's hopes and dreams with a 30 point outburst.

Linsanity type game is not very likely happen when he is the 2nd or 3rd option ball handler. And when Batum reclaim his role as 2nd option ball handler, Lin's performance will very likely fade back to his regular season's. I guess that's the main reason why many Lin fans would prefer him for a starting job elsewhere. As Lin will never reach his real potential and play his brand of game when he is not the primary ball handler.


I think some fans are in a "primary ball handler" box. And it is some, not all Lin fan's that think this. 21 points and driving to the hoop so much is a Linsanity game in game 4. Last night he had a strong game with the assists and working into the teeth of a strong defense. In the playoffs, unless you are on the floor a long time, your point total maybe lower, but Lin has high impact on the game. Lin is doing well and winning the playoffs isn't about Lin, it's about stepping up and helping your team. And that's what he's doing. It's a Hornets forum, and it is about how well he does here. If and when he goes somewhere else is for another time, not now. At this point, not a lot of fans are thinking of a "Lin appreciation thread" but more of a keep it going Lin trend.
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Re: Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1 

Post#102 » by Vae Victus » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:59 am

All Lin needs to do to get a Linsanity game is to finally heat up from outside. Hit 4 3s and 3 outside shots and thats 18 pts, add in a coupla layups and a few FTs and thats mid 20s already. In the past Lin usually has a crazy good game squeezed in somewhere where he simply shoots at an unconcionable level.
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Post#103 » by No35 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:57 am

It would be great if Lin could get a Ginobili like role, but that's not going to happen due to the fit of the roster when MKG comes back. You saw how Lin's minutes went from about 30 to 20 the week MKG returned.

Remember:
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828648
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828638
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828661

No knock on MKG or the team. There are lots of good players deserving of minutes.

But the point remains that JLin will be extremely unlikely to receive Ginobili-like minutes or responsibility once the roster is completely healthy. The on-court chemistry he's shown with Kemba and Lee is something born out of contingency, because let's face it, would Cliff run a lineup of Lin/Kemba/Lee/Batum, or Kemba/Lee/Batum/MKG?

As much as I like this team and Lin's stint in Charlotte, he would be dumb to turn down guaranteed starter minutes elsewhere, should they be offered.
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Re: Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1 

Post#104 » by tamao » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:08 am

No35 wrote:It would be great if Lin could get a Ginobili like role, but that's not going to happen due to the fit of the roster when MKG comes back. You saw how Lin's minutes went from about 30 to 20 the week MKG returned.

Remember:
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828648
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828638
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828661

No knock on MKG or the team. There are lots of good players deserving of minutes.

But the point remains that JLin will be extremely unlikely to receive Ginobili-like minutes or responsibility once the roster is completely healthy. The on-court chemistry he's shown with Kemba and Lee is something born out of contingency, because let's face it, would Cliff run a lineup of Lin/Kemba/Lee/Batum, or Kemba/Lee/Batum/MKG?

As much as I like this team and Lin's stint in Charlotte, he would be dumb to turn down guaranteed starter minutes elsewhere, should they be offered.


THIS, just not enough money n pt for everyone. Enjoy him while it lasts Hornets fans.
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Post#105 » by phillycheese » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:31 am

Miami, on paper, should be giving Kemba and Lin all kinds of fits. They have long wing defenders, they have a mobile big fly swatter in Hassan, they have tall PGs and they have guile in Wade. So the only reason has to be Kemba and Lin are playing out of their minds right now. Keep it up for one more game and looks like the 3s are getting on track too.
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Re: Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1 

Post#106 » by Travers » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:38 am

No35 wrote:It would be great if Lin could get a Ginobili like role, but that's not going to happen due to the fit of the roster when MKG comes back. You saw how Lin's minutes went from about 30 to 20 the week MKG returned.

Remember:
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828648
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828638
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828661

No knock on MKG or the team. There are lots of good players deserving of minutes.

But the point remains that JLin will be extremely unlikely to receive Ginobili-like minutes or responsibility once the roster is completely healthy. The on-court chemistry he's shown with Kemba and Lee is something born out of contingency, because let's face it, would Cliff run a lineup of Lin/Kemba/Lee/Batum, or Kemba/Lee/Batum/MKG?

As much as I like this team and Lin's stint in Charlotte, he would be dumb to turn down guaranteed starter minutes elsewhere, should they be offered.


Good analysis. And at the time signing J.Lamb for 3years/21M deal, I even feel the organization rated J.Lamb higher then Lin. With also M.William, Frank Kimisky, Cody Zeller, Lin's mins is far from guarantee.
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Post#107 » by 2k15 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:21 am

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No35 wrote:It would be great if Lin could get a Ginobili like role, but that's not going to happen due to the fit of the roster when MKG comes back. You saw how Lin's minutes went from about 30 to 20 the week MKG returned.

Remember:
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828648
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828638
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828661

No knock on MKG or the team. There are lots of good players deserving of minutes.

But the point remains that JLin will be extremely unlikely to receive Ginobili-like minutes or responsibility once the roster is completely healthy. The on-court chemistry he's shown with Kemba and Lee is something born out of contingency, because let's face it, would Cliff run a lineup of Lin/Kemba/Lee/Batum, or Kemba/Lee/Batum/MKG?

As much as I like this team and Lin's stint in Charlotte, he would be dumb to turn down guaranteed starter minutes elsewhere, should they be offered.


THIS, just not enough money n pt for everyone. Enjoy him while it lasts Hornets fans.



None of these points are new or insightful, we've heard everything. Give it a rest, please.
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Post#108 » by rayfantastic » Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:25 am

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yosemiteben wrote:Yeah we aren't changing Kemba's role to accommodate Lin. If Lin doesn't want a Ginobli-esque role like he's gotten in the playoffs then he needs to move on and risk another LA or HOU experience.


So do you think that Charlotte is at it's best with Kemba at PG then? I honestly think they would do better if he was SG. I think they could have had like 6-8 more wins this year at least if they'd started with that from the beginning of the season.



He's not an SG. He doesn't have the height or play like one. He's a great ball-handler and a scoring PG, something like Kyrie Irving. Lin is a combo guard and said so in his last interview at today's practice. He said he likes playing with other PGs or switching over and playing the 2 and that he played 2 in college.

He doesn't have the height to defend a SG, but he has no problem attacking like one. Just switch with Lin on defense.

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Post#109 » by bws94 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:03 pm

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bws94 wrote:
thisissami wrote:
So do you think that Charlotte is at it's best with Kemba at PG then? I honestly think they would do better if he was SG. I think they could have had like 6-8 more wins this year at least if they'd started with that from the beginning of the season.



He's not an SG. He doesn't have the height or play like one. He's a great ball-handler and a scoring PG, something like Kyrie Irving. Lin is a combo guard and said so in his last interview at today's practice. He said he likes playing with other PGs or switching over and playing the 2 and that he played 2 in college.

He doesn't have the height to defend a SG, but he has no problem attacking like one. Just switch with Lin on defense.

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There are different types of point guards. Some are more great ball-handling/scoring PGs that do some facilitating (Irving, vintage Rose, Kemba), some are more bad-shooting and known for their assists (Rondo, Rubio). Others like Westbrook are known for their athleticism and scoring but also get assists, Wall would be a type like that. Lin is sort of known for his dribble/drive penetration but also transition passes and lobs (if he had the right personnel here) and off the dribble/drive he scores or dishes. He's also a PnR guy like Rondo, CP3, Parker to an extent. Kemba is 25 and has a chance to improve his facilitation skills as he grows his game. I don't think it is fair to say he's an SG, he's still a PG, but a specific type of PG that is different to others.
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Post#110 » by thisissami » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:11 pm

Cool thanks for your thoughts everybody! I can certainly agree that it's been rad watching this playoff series emerge, and here's to the Hornets finishing off the job tonight (and the pacers winning tonight so the Hornets have extra days of rest!!)!!
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Post#111 » by PG13 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:31 pm

Was listening to a Truehoops podcast and one of the guys (forgot which one) said Lin may have been the best player in this series. I agree. Also heard in another podcast that Lin has been one of the best players in this year's playoffs. Good to see the recognition he's receiving.
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Re: Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3 + 1 

Post#112 » by jtsmith » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:54 pm

https://www.gq.com/story/jeremy-lin-hair-stats-analysis

GQ did an analysis on which of Lin's hairstyles he plays best in.

comb over was 15-1
slick back was worst at 13-17
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Post#113 » by Vae Victus » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:03 pm

With Spencer Hawes sitting i think its quite clear that Jeremy Lin needs to rock the man bun in his fallen teammates honor.

Lin can bust out the Comb Over's mojo for the next series to try to get off to a good star :)
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Post#114 » by ChokeFasncists » Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:21 pm

fatlever wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/725468269902061568[/tweet]

~lol~ Thomas thought the same as MJ!

OTOH, people really should start noticing that he's got game, as Thomas said.
RealHusky wrote:http://www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-east/charlotte-hornets/jeremy-lin-is-fueling-ad-hoc-offense/

The Charlotte Hornets have evened the series, and though, a number of factors can be attributed to Charlotte’s revival, the most significant component might be the play of Jeremy Lin.

the Hornets are scoring 109 points per 100 possessions when he is on the floor, which unsurprisingly is the highest offensive rating of any player on Charlotte’s roster.

Would the firm beliefs of ignorant bullies that he is mediocre dissipate? Would they admit they've been wrong and eat crow?

fatlever wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/HornetsSwarm/status/725763572609986561[/tweet]

Lin says Hornets have best chemistry of any team he has ever played on.

Credit to Kemba, definitely no Melo, Harden or Kobe. Credit to Cliff, definitely no Woodson, McFail or BS.

Flip Murray wrote:I really hope he stays. I've seen that many on Lin forums want him gone which I understand. He's underpaid pretty severely and they want him to be the man.

Fact is, if Kemba, Lee, Nic, Marvin, MKG are all on the roster next season, there'd be too little pt for him in his prime. Another fact is, he's most suitable to be a starting PG with a big that's good at finishing. If something is figured out, it's all good, it's about him being the man.

thisissami wrote:tl;dr - I hope the Charlotte Hornets seriously consider shifting Kemba to SG so that Lin can start along-side him as PG, and that they offer him a contract of that sort. I can't see Lin turning that down if that happens, since he clearly loves his teammates.

Ideally, frank turns into a legit go to guy and have Kemba as sixth man, that instantly makes this team a contender.

RealHusky wrote:There is another guy named Silk Infant or something that swear to the moon than Lin deserves no more than 15 mins per game as a backup.

Na, na, the guy is a good poster/cool guy. It just seems like he's a big JWall fan and I taunted him so he tried to get back at me, I don't think he meant what he said.

PG13 wrote:Was listening to a Truehoops podcast and one of the guys (forgot which one) said Lin may have been the best player in this series. I agree. Also heard in another podcast that Lin has been one of the best players in this year's playoffs. Good to see the recognition he's receiving.

Not sure if he's been the best player in the series but I'm pretty sure he was the best player for the Hornets in the three wins.

yosemiteben wrote:Yeah we aren't changing Kemba's role to accommodate Lin. If Lin doesn't want a Ginobli-esque role like he's gotten in the playoffs then he needs to move on and risk another LA or HOU experience.

Well, one never knows what's gonna happen.

BatumtheGlue wrote:This thread suddenly unreadable. What's wrong with ginobili-esque role? That's a damn good role in a winning team.

~lol~ Flip made a nice post but mentioned something about the offseason...... that triggered something...... :lol:

Another problem is that Manu is an SG that can pass whereas Lin is a PG that can score. Manu is a gunner whereas Lin is not. He's not very suitable to play Manu role.

No35 wrote:It would be great if Lin could get a Ginobili like role, but that's not going to happen due to the fit of the roster when MKG comes back. You saw how Lin's minutes went from about 30 to 20 the week MKG returned.

Remember:
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828648
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828638
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=400828661

No knock on MKG or the team. There are lots of good players deserving of minutes.

But the point remains that JLin will be extremely unlikely to receive Ginobili-like minutes or responsibility once the roster is completely healthy. The on-court chemistry he's shown with Kemba and Lee is something born out of contingency, because let's face it, would Cliff run a lineup of Lin/Kemba/Lee/Batum, or Kemba/Lee/Batum/MKG?

As much as I like this team and Lin's stint in Charlotte, he would be dumb to turn down guaranteed starter minutes elsewhere, should they be offered.

Again, one never knows what's gonna happen. Trade, changes, whatever.

Vae Victus wrote:Game 4, Lin was pivotal in getting the team out of the early rut the starters typically get into. He was awesome all the way until the 2nd half of the 4th quarter where he made 2 costly TOs (which i thought were ****), but the team luckily had a hot Kemba to bail them out.

Don't forget tho, that he was frigging exhausted at the end!

Lorenzomax7 wrote:Dear I say, Lin has been the MVP of this series thus far.

Agreed.
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
Thanks for the honesty.
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Post#115 » by Vae Victus » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:54 am

Lin just cost himself a starting job somewhere and 10 mil on his next contract with his putrid performance tonight.
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Post#116 » by Flip Murray » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:55 am

Lin must play well for us to win Sunday. It's just very unlikely we can win down there without both him and Kemba playing on all cylinders.
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Post#117 » by 2k15 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:56 am

Vae Victus wrote:Lin just cost himself a starting job somewhere and 10 mil on his next contract with his putrid performance tonight.


I am really pissed. But I am not totally surprised. For those of us who have watched him play over the last three years and were honest about his play, we knew this was coming.
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Post#118 » by 13th Man » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:57 am

Pretty disappointed with Lin's performance tonight. This is why I don't get too hyped up whenever he has a few good games, he needs to have just a tad of what DWade and Kemba have which is the heart of a lion in big games.
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Post#119 » by 2k15 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:59 am

13th Man wrote:Pretty disappointed with Lin's performance tonight. This is why I don't get too hyped up whenever he has a few good games, he needs to have just a tad of what DWade and Kemba have which is the heart of a lion in big games.


If you're not a little jaded from following Jeremy over the last three years, you haven't really been a fan of his.
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Post#120 » by 13th Man » Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:03 am

2k15 wrote:
13th Man wrote:Pretty disappointed with Lin's performance tonight. This is why I don't get too hyped up whenever he has a few good games, he needs to have just a tad of what DWade and Kemba have which is the heart of a lion in big games.


If you're not a little jaded from following Jeremy over the last three years, you haven't really been a fan of his.


Sadly but true. After his first few touches my friend and I knew it wouldn't turn out good.

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