2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft - ESAL/Gatz wins

[Diop]

who has their strats ready?

I have a couple guys ready to rock in each category but i'm 100% sure everybody is looking at the exact same people

I only have a list for the Rookie and Southpaw categories.

so you select rookie MJ with the first pick then?

[Flip Murray]

who has their strats ready?

I have a couple guys ready to rock in each category but i'm 100% sure everybody is looking at the exact same people

I only have a list for the Rookie and Southpaw categories.

lol I say go ahead and make your pick then in that case. My plan is to just google "best left handed players" sometime around like the 6th round.

[Flip Murray]

who has their strats ready?

I have a couple guys ready to rock in each category but i'm 100% sure everybody is looking at the exact same people

I only have a list for the Rookie and Southpaw categories.

so you select rookie MJ with the first pick then?

I'm taking 45 year old Nat Hickey with my first pick. Oldest player to ever play in the NBA. I get him for the 47-48 season. He had a mean pair of thighs on him.

[fatlever]

We still waiting on Ian? LOL, I guess he's sticking to the Wed/Thu timeline.

[LamarMatic7]

two best finds from the Stone Hands category.

first one - teammates Joe Barry Carroll and Sleepy Floyd record 11 and 12 turnovers, respectively, in the same season-opening game. Alex English meanwhile scores 47 for the opposing Nuggets and Fat Lever unexpectedly only has 3 steals when there's so much turnovers up for grabs. Only 11 of 28 Golden State's turnovers somehow turned into steals for the Nuggets, which sounds like Carroll was throwing balls out of bounds on purpose in his first game back in the NBA after a holdout year he spent in Europe.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198510250GSW.html

second one - Nellie plays only six guys in a game in November. Three of them (Monta, Morrow and Radmanovic) clock 48 minutes. Mikki Moore and Anthony Randolph combine for freaking 61 minutes. Monta commits 11 turnovers. Aaaand they beat a 55-win Dallas team on the road.
www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200911240DAL.html

Just madness.

[LamarMatic7]

I have my spreadsheet complete and ready. Will be going on a rafting trip the next four days.

I promise though to drunkenly check in whenever I can (probably in the morning and during the night, can't imagine doing that on the river) and pack printed out spreadsheets with me.

What were the absolute longest limits we used to have for picks? 12 hours? I think I can manage not having you guys wait for longer than that.

[fatlever]

two best finds from the Stone Hands category.

first one - teammates Joe Barry Carroll and Sleepy Floyd record 11 and 12 turnovers, respectively, in the same season-opening game. Alex English meanwhile scores 47 for the opposing Nuggets and Fat Lever unexpectedly only has 3 steals when there's so much turnovers up for grabs. Only 11 of 28 Golden State's turnovers somehow turned into steals for the Nuggets, which sounds like Carroll was throwing balls out of bounds on purpose in his first game back in the NBA after a holdout year he spent in Europe.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198510250GSW.html

second one - Nellie plays only six guys in a game in November. Three of them (Monta, Morrow and Radmanovic) clock 48 minutes. Mikki Moore and Anthony Randolph combine for freaking 61 minutes. Monta commits 11 turnovers. Aaaand they beat a 55-win Dallas team on the road.
www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200911240DAL.html

Just madness.

Great stuff Lamar.

As for the waiting, I'm sure we can wait. We're in no big rush, especially in the early rounds.

[EwingSweatsALot]

So how screwed am I with the last pick?

I've got some ideas on how I want my draft to go but I will like having to watch 8 guys go off the board before me that I may just be in for a rude awakening.

[-Ian-]

With the first pick of the 2016 Scavenger Hunt Draft, I select...

All NBA, Michael Jordan, 1992-93

[-Ian-]

We still waiting on Ian? LOL, I guess he's sticking to the Wed/Thu timeline.

Sorry for the hold up. Yes, I wanted to stick to the Wednesday/Thursday schedule.

[fatlever]

MJ with the All NBA category, it had to be done.

[fatlever]

btw, I think we need to address injuries. For the categories where we are selected a player based off a single game performance, we might end up with a superstar player who qualifies for that category, but in a year where they were injured. I think, at some point that has to be taken into consideration. For example, Kevin Durant qualifies for stone hands for the year 14-15. However, he only played 27 games that year. If selecting 14-15 Durant, certainly it has to at least be docked a tad due to him missing most of that season, right?

We don't need to take it as far as player X got hurt in real life halfway thru the season and missed the playoffs, therefore your team would have to play the playoffs w/out him, but 82 games is more valuable than 27 games, no doubt.

[EwingSweatsALot]

btw, I think we need to address injuries. For the categories where we are selected a player based off a single game performance, we might end up with a superstar player who qualifies for that category, but in a year where they were injured. I think, at some point that has to be taken into consideration. For example, Kevin Durant qualifies for stone hands for the year 14-15. However, he only played 27 games that year. If selecting 14-15 Durant, certainly it has to at least be docked a tad due to him missing most of that season, right?

We don't need to take it as far as player X got hurt in real life halfway thru the season and missed the playoffs, therefore your team would have to play the playoffs w/out him, but 82 games is more valuable than 27 games, no doubt.

I essentially eliminated those guys, personal preference. Essentially because in my mind, he isn't helping you but for a quarter of the year.

I mean yeah. It's Kevin Durant. But I wouldn't personally vote on player name, it's what that guy did in that year you picked. And KD at 27 games is good, but that's not better than a good player at even 50 games.

[LamarMatic7]

btw, I think we need to address injuries. For the categories where we are selected a player based off a single game performance, we might end up with a superstar player who qualifies for that category, but in a year where they were injured. I think, at some point that has to be taken into consideration. For example, Kevin Durant qualifies for stone hands for the year 14-15. However, he only played 27 games that year. If selecting 14-15 Durant, certainly it has to at least be docked a tad due to him missing most of that season, right?

We don't need to take it as far as player X got hurt in real life halfway thru the season and missed the playoffs, therefore your team would have to play the playoffs w/out him, but 82 games is more valuable than 27 games, no doubt.

oh yeah. obviously, we're picking the player and the hypothetical level at which he was at during that particular period but I definitely pay attention to these things when making my spreadsheets and will do so when others make picks.

there are situations like:

1) you put up amazing stats for a 20-win team. does it matter much for, I don't know, Paul Pierce's 06-07 season? no, we know that it was a version of Pierce who could contribute to a great team (and also would play more than 40-something games if the team wasn't tanking). but if it's... Otis Birdsong contributing the same numbers for a good Kansas City team vs. some rather random schmuck averaging the same 20 for a bad Clippers team, I'll give the edge to Birdsong.

(not to mention the fact that the fit of Birdsong or the random schmuck on that particular team matters as well)

2) you're plagued by constant injuries at that point in your career, not some freak injury like Durant's. this especially applies to this year's draft where the season in which we draft someone matters. does it mean that I'll go out and yell that Player X absolutely, definitely will miss 20% of your team's games? no. but the fact that some perennial all-star is 34 and is in a point in his career where he plays only 50-60 games annually will make him a lesser version of himself, in my eyes.


anyway, I hope you catch my drift. there were more scenarios which crossed my head while preparing for this but I can't remember them.. basically, in my opinion, context also matters. stats aren't everything.

[LamarMatic7]

btw, I think we need to address injuries. For the categories where we are selected a player based off a single game performance, we might end up with a superstar player who qualifies for that category, but in a year where they were injured. I think, at some point that has to be taken into consideration. For example, Kevin Durant qualifies for stone hands for the year 14-15. However, he only played 27 games that year. If selecting 14-15 Durant, certainly it has to at least be docked a tad due to him missing most of that season, right?

We don't need to take it as far as player X got hurt in real life halfway thru the season and missed the playoffs, therefore your team would have to play the playoffs w/out him, but 82 games is more valuable than 27 games, no doubt.

I essentially eliminated those guys, personal preference. Essentially because in my mind, he isn't helping you but for a quarter of the year.

I mean yeah. It's Kevin Durant. But I wouldn't personally vote on player name, it's what that guy did in that year you picked. And KD at 27 games is good, but that's not better than a good player at even 50 games.

oh yeah, I also felt uneasy about the 20-game seasons. If I want the guy so much, I'll find a different way to pick him.

[fatlever]

Diop is probably asleep, its 1AM in Western Australia, so he'll probably make his pick when he wakes up.

[yosemiteben]

Can we trade draft picks for cash? Asking for a friend.

[EwingSweatsALot]

These type discussions on players has really thrown me off on how to approach this. I know how I would vote for guys but obviously that isn't the same for everyone. How much do just names matter vs stats vs context vs personal preference and so on and so forth.

Potentially different mindsets make this a lot more interesting and difficult than just a fantasy draft since those are determined by a standard rate of imperical data.

[LamarMatic7]

MJ with the All NBA category, it had to be done.

rookie MJ was a possible pick. he was already awesome as a rookie, you keep your All-NBA category and you keep anyone from getting such a glorified GOAT (even though it didn't help me when I had him yet lost two years ago).

[LamarMatic7]

Can we trade draft picks for cash? Asking for a friend.

Check your PM for my paypal email address.