Secret Sauce: The Terry Rozier Thread

[driveandkick]

He’ll put up stats here and up his % but this was not the right move. 4/48 was a lot better.

Disagree, the first 2 years are unimportant and it's actually a positive that we have so much tied into him so our tank can't get screwed by adding some other players.

3 years is better than 4, as well, allowing us to change direction if he isn't in the plan after tanking for 2 years.

PREACH! And if he plays well but you don't want him as the PG going forwards, you could flip him for a pick in a year or two. This is a fine deal for a tanking team. Literally part of a tank is gambling on young players

[LofJ]

Don't attend any games, cancel your season tickets, don't buy league pass, and if you work in corporate and deal with the team do what you can to let them know that you don't want your brand associated with incompetence.

Make Michael Jordan bleed money.

Here's what to not do unless you want the team to leave Charlotte. Please, don't do any of this.

Michael Jordan doesn't deserve your money, he doesn't even deserve to be an NBA owner. He doesn't have what it takes to compete with the billionaires on this level.

[Stun704]

Don't attend any games, cancel your season tickets, don't buy league pass, and if you work in corporate and deal with the team do what you can to let them know that you don't want your brand associated with incompetence.

Make Michael Jordan bleed money.

Here's what to not do unless you want the team to leave Charlotte. Please, don't do any of this.

Michael Jordan doesn't deserve your money, he doesn't even deserve to be an NBA owner. He doesn't have what it takes to compete with the billionaires on this level.

you have no clue what you’re talking about.

[DY_nasty]

Kemba was an inefficient chucker his first 4 seasons as well. 19 million is a bit much but it's not really that big of a deal as long as we can still use the MLE. It's money we weren't going to be able to use to sign anyone anyway considering we were over the cap. I'm just hoping there's a pick coming back.

Then why not save the $19 mil per year and 4 year commitment and let next season ride with Devonte running the point?

3 years, right? My point is that it's not hurting us cap-wise to get him in a S&T. It's dead money. If it works out, great. If it doesn't work out, we move on around the same time our other big contracts expire. I just don't see the issue. Rozier is a talented player.

exactly man

Michael Jordan doesn't deserve your money, he doesn't even deserve to be an NBA owner. He doesn't have what it takes to compete with the billionaires on this level.

kick rocks

without mj this team would've been moved a long time ago

[Benjamin Linus]

I actually kinda like Terry but was hoping for more like a 2 year deal at 10 million per with the second year a team option hahaha

Still looking forward to drafting one of the high end PG prospects next year so hopefully this doesn't affect any of that

[EwingSweatsALot]

****ing asinine

[LofJ]

Do you know what other team wanted Rozier? The Suns, our competition along with the Knicks for the worst run organizations in the NBA. We outbid the Suns to sign Rozier and helped the team that took our star player away in the process.

[BigSlam]

Kemba was an inefficient chucker his first 4 seasons as well. 19 million is a bit much but it's not really that big of a deal as long as we can still use the MLE. It's money we weren't going to be able to use to sign anyone anyway considering we were over the cap. I'm just hoping there's a pick coming back.

Then why not save the $19 mil per year and 4 year commitment and let next season ride with Devonte running the point?

3 years, right? My point is that it's not hurting us cap-wise to get him in a S&T. It's dead money. If it works out, great. If it doesn't work out, we move on around the same time our other big contracts expire. I just don't see the issue. Rozier is a talented player.

Sorry, my bad. I wrote 4 and corrected it to 3 - but must have done that after you quoted me.

I don't know man - I didn't want Rozier at all, but like others Rozier at 3/$30-$36mil would have been easier to swallow than Rozier at 3/$60mil.

It just feels like yet another anchor contract to go with all of the other anchor contracts we already have and were hoping to get out of in the next 12=24 months.

And again, I'd MUCH rather see what we have in Devonte. And I worry the young guys wont get their shots with Rozier running the show.

The whole thing just smacks of a desperation move to me, like the FO said "oh crap, we lost Kemba. We better get something to show for it. Something. Anything" then lunged at this.

I hope you are right though. I hope Rozier is WAY better than a lot of us think and he proves us all wrong and develops into a valuable asset (that we actually capitalize on).

[316Hornets]

If there was a book on Tanking,

this would be the #1 thing to do,

thank you Mitch

[yasuhara2241]

I actually like Rozier as a player. I think he has potential. I do think we overpaid slightly but that's not my main gripe.

My main gripe has been stated numerous times in this thread. Just freaking tank already! We have a PG heavy draft and would have been set up with a nice top 4-5 pick. Now with Rozier we will still be bad but we just added salary and might be around the 6- 8 range.

I just don't see the point. It seems like we want to just treadmill.

[Robot Rock]

Like the signing. Hate the money. But it’s also for just three years and to me, it’s still a better deal than MKG, Marvin or Biz, all of whom are FAs after this season — correct?

Devonte Graham can’t play 48 mins for 82 games. Also plenty of folks at this time last year were talking about how Rozier carried the Celtics in the playoffs and Kemba’s never a No. 1. They switch teams and suddenly Kemba is covered like he’s a top-5 player and Rozier is suddenly Cory Higgins.

Somebody has to score points for this **** and I don’t think Mitch trusted Monk to do that. I hate that, but genuinely do think Rozier is far better than his stats last year on a team in disarray behind a star player who is a flat-earth truther and a degenerate malcontent.

[amcoolio]

Rozier about to average 25ppg then we trade him two years from now. Starting to like this move. Don’t like the third year is guaranteed, but the first two years literally do not matter

[wickerhd]

I believe you guys are also getting a sizable trade exception in the deal. Terry only really became a chucker when he was moved off the ball. His real stint at the point only came in the 18 playoffs.

Hope he works out for you. I think he is better than 3 years of Rubio at $51 mil


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[vexco]

Then why not save the $19 mil per year and 4 year commitment and let next season ride with Devonte running the point?

3 years, right? My point is that it's not hurting us cap-wise to get him in a S&T. It's dead money. If it works out, great. If it doesn't work out, we move on around the same time our other big contracts expire. I just don't see the issue. Rozier is a talented player.

Sorry, my bad. I wrote 4 and corrected it to 3 - but must have done that after you quoted me.

I don't know man - I didn't want Rozier at all, but like others Rozier at 3/$30-$36mil would have been easier to swallow than Rozier at 3/$60mil.

It just feels like yet another anchor contract to go with all of the other anchor contracts we already have and were hoping to get out of in the next 12=24 months.

And again, I'd MUCH rather see what we have in Devonte. And I worry the young guys wont get their shots with Rozier running the show.

The whole thing just smacks of a desperation move to me, like the FO said "oh crap, we lost Kemba. We better get something to show for it. Something. Anything" then lunged at this.

I hope you are right though. I hope Rozier is WAY better than a lot of us think and he proves us all wrong and develops into a valuable asset (that we actually capitalize on).

I just don't see how it's an anchor. It's money that we couldn't use elsewhere and we don't really need cap space until 2021 offseason. Yall are acting like Rozier is going to chuck 30 shots a game and it's just not happening. Maybe it works out and he's good, maybe he's not. It's not gonna hurt us long term, though.

[driveandkick]

I actually like Rozier as a player. I think he has potential. I do think we overpaid slightly but that's not my main gripe.

My main gripe has been stated numerous times in this thread. Just freaking tank already! We have a PG heavy draft and would have been set up with a nice top 4-5 pick. Now with Rozier we will still be bad but we just added salary and might be around the 6- 8 range.

I just don't see the point. It seems like we want to just treadmill.

Even with Rozier, NO WAY there are six other teams worse than us.

[KembaWalker]

**** dude how are we gonna afford to re-sign Bismack now

[JDR720]

I actually like Rozier as a player. I think he has potential. I do think we overpaid slightly but that's not my main gripe.

My main gripe has been stated numerous times in this thread. Just freaking tank already! We have a PG heavy draft and would have been set up with a nice top 4-5 pick. Now with Rozier we will still be bad but we just added salary and might be around the 6- 8 range.

I just don't see the point. It seems like we want to just treadmill.

Even with Rozier, NO WAY there are six other teams worse than us.

our best player is probably Nic. Our 3 best offensive players from last season all left (Kemba/Lamb/Tony).

[Robot Rock]

I actually like Rozier as a player. I think he has potential. I do think we overpaid slightly but that's not my main gripe.

My main gripe has been stated numerous times in this thread. Just freaking tank already! We have a PG heavy draft and would have been set up with a nice top 4-5 pick. Now with Rozier we will still be bad but we just added salary and might be around the 6- 8 range.

I just don't see the point. It seems like we want to just treadmill.

Even with Rozier, NO WAY there are six other teams worse than us.

our best player is probably Nic. Our 3 best offensive players from last season all left (Kemba/Lamb/Tony).

Rozier is better than Batum.

[driveandkick]

I actually like Rozier as a player. I think he has potential. I do think we overpaid slightly but that's not my main gripe.

My main gripe has been stated numerous times in this thread. Just freaking tank already! We have a PG heavy draft and would have been set up with a nice top 4-5 pick. Now with Rozier we will still be bad but we just added salary and might be around the 6- 8 range.

I just don't see the point. It seems like we want to just treadmill.

Even with Rozier, NO WAY there are six other teams worse than us.

our best player is probably Nic. Our 3 best offensive players from last season all left (Kemba/Lamb/Tony).

Exactly. We're MAYBE better than Cleveland and the Knicks. That is literally all I can think of right now.

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