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LofJ wrote:James Gatz wrote:LofJ wrote:When Wiseman averages 10 rebounds a game as rookie I expect to hear nothing back.
There are a lot of questions about Wiseman, rebounding isn't one of them.
Want to make a sig bet?
If he averages 30 minutes a game I'll take that bet.
James Gatz wrote:Drummond without the elite defensive rebounding is probably where I see Wiseman projecting to be in most outcomes. I'm personally low on Drummond as a player who helps you win championships, but if you disagree I understand wanting to take him.
Drummond’s face-up game—a talent he’d boasted about as a 18-year-old, but buried in his quest to be Dwight—has blossomed in unexpected ways. At the heart of the Pistons’ resurgence is Drummond’s embrace of the dribble handoff. It functions more or less like a standard pick-and-roll, but it inverts the power dynamic, enabling Drummond to make reads out on the perimeter for his guards and wings, not unlike the way Terry Stotts deploys Jusuf Nurkic (and previously, Mason Plumlee) within the Blazers offense. By eschewing post-ups almost entirely and placing Drummond at the top of the arc, Van Gundy has MacGyvered a pseudo-five-out offense where Drummond’s nonexistent shooting is nullified by using him as the spearhead of an attack. Pulling Drummond so far away from the hoop allows off-ball specialists like Bradley to work their magic in open space.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/12/1/16722538/detroit-pistons-andre-drummond
JMAC3 wrote:I don’t get why people are drooling over this guy when he is projected to be Drummond. We have seen bigs continuously put up stats and not win.
If were picking 6-10, I would be all for it as a safe starter. But at 3?? I need someone who can be a legit winning player and building block.
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DY_nasty wrote:they're potentially passing on wiseman because no championship contending team has time to waste on developing a center. just learning how to stay on the court is a years long project for a lot of centers. a backup guard can learn on the job and be covered far easier
you guys keep acting like they didn't even find a use for zombie bogut though. gs doesn't even get past houston or memphis without him
its not always about a franchise player, its about value and guys who can legitimately help build something
amcoolio wrote:And the Rockets are about to lose in the first round to the OKC Thunder of all teams because they don't have a big worth a damn, as broken down by The Ringer
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
4pointkiller wrote:Wiseman isn't a stiff, he moves with the ball well. I'll tell you this right now. He will be better than DeAndre Ayton.
Just check out this video of him shooting from all over the court.
Yes, he moves a little slow on defense. But he excels at rebounding and boxing out. How long have we suffered with rebounding? We've gotten rebound guys like Biz and Howard who had no offensive game. Wiseman is a complete player and has the ability to attack in multiple ways. With a good coach, I think his potential is great.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
JMAC3 wrote:That’s what Warriors have done, they are passing on Wiseman because they know centers don’t matter much, you can win with very average center play in this league.
Liver_Pooty wrote:
If anything that video proved that we could very well go guard and trade back into the late first for Vernon Carey
4pointkiller wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:
If anything that video proved that we could very well go guard and trade back into the late first for Vernon Carey
Vernon Carey doesn't have an outside shot. He could be an alternate to Okongwu, but he will never have Wiseman's shooting touch.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.