Fake Trade Thread #3

DY_nasty · Post #101 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:46 pm

why do yal love high stats/career playoff failure guys so much

JMAC3 · Post #102 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:55 pm

DY_nasty wrote:why do yal love high stats/career playoff failure guys so much

You talking about Harden? He would be the best player to ever play for Hornets. Don’t think we get him but man we would be a contender day 1 in East.

DY_nasty · Post #103 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:33 pm

contend for another 2nd round exit at best... and this is after we throw every asset we have away to get him

how he gets so much status when all he does is do cartwheels to the rim and beat up on the jazz and okc for the past 5 years before getting smoked is wild to me

JMAC3 · Post #104 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:36 pm

DY_nasty wrote:contend for another 2nd round exit at best... and this is after we throw every asset we have away to get him

Outside of Lebron, he gave the prime Warriors only issues. Was he supposed to beat them and Lebron to win a championship with a limping Chris Paul every year?

I’m not saying he was always best in playoffs but hard to say his team underachieved much given the obstacles

Braggins · Post #105 » by **Braggins** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:43 pm

Harden is a nightmare to watch, but I think hes worth trading for if your team is in a different position than the Hornets. Wed have to gut the team and wouldn't have any way to build around him. They wouldn't have any draft picks or young players left and no one is coming here in free agency. Its not a viable path to success for this team imo, even though I do think Harden is the real deal.

DY_nasty · Post #106 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:45 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:contend for another 2nd round exit at best... and this is after we throw every asset we have away to get him

Outside of Lebron, he gave the prime Warriors only issues. Was he supposed to beat them and Lebron to win a championship with a limping Chris Paul every year?

I’m not saying he was always best in playoffs but hard to say his team underachieved much given the obstacles

Its not always GS either. San Antonio made him look like a clown too. Zombie Ginobli sent him home :lol:

The only reason they even get past Utah all the time is because Gobert simply cripples Utah's ability to play the kind of defense necessary to give Houston's offense problems.

Typically when you lose the same way year in and year out, people start acknowledging those limits. And its not like Harden was putting the team on his back and doing everything he could in the playoffs either. Dwight would do the heavy lifting, McHale completely gave up on him once and nailed him to the bench while JOSH SMITH saved the day, he had to be publicly shamed for years before he finally started playing average defense.... And Chris Paul is either gonna choke in the playoffs or get injured anyways. Its what he does.

The "best player of in Hornet's history" isn't some high bar we'd need to mortgage our future over. Especially when the dude starts to gas midway through the season the past 2-3 years.

Rich4114 · Post #107 » by **Rich4114** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:47 pm

I don't think we'd even hesitate to get Harden if we could and worry about the rest from there. He's 31 but he's putting up MVP numbers still. I know our vision is to build a young roster into a contender one day but if you have the chance to consolidate what you're building into a contender now (albeit for a shorter period of time) then I think most GM's do it as most GM's don't feel like waiting 3-5 years to compete if the chance to compete right now shows up. This is very different from giving up the same for someone who will just make us better and competing for the 8th seed but not a contender by the way.

JMAC3 · Post #108 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:53 pm

I don’t think we are trading for Harden but for people who poke fun at him and say he is a failure should probably just not watch basketball because your bar is set too high.

Nobody on our team right now will ever be a MVP. We are hoping to draft someone like that, but it’s not super likely. He has had more playoff success than Greek Freak, Derrick Rose or Tracy McGrady ever had.

Not looking to get in some huge debate, but Harden is a top 5 talent on a fair deal. If you don’t want that then idk what you do want.

Post #109 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:57 pm

Do these idiots not get embarrassed about the rubbish they publish?

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/13/nba-rumors-philadelphia-76ers-charlotte-hornets-houston-rockets-trade-james-harden-russell-westbrook/2/

Charlotte Hornets Receive: Russell Westbrook, Tobias Harris

Philadelphia 76ers Receive: James Harden, Robert Covington

Houston Rockets Receive: Ben Simmons, Al Horford, Matisse Thybulle, Malik Monk, No. 3 Pick, No. 21 Pick, 2021 1st Round Pick (via PHI), 2022 1st Round Pick (via CHA – Top 5 Prot.)

So we trade our future for two older guys with some of the most horrible contracts in the league :lol:

Seriously these authors must be brain dead.

Braggins · Post #110 » by **Braggins** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:03 pm

luciano-davidwesley wrote:Do these idiots not get embarrassed about the rubbish they publish?

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/13/nba-rumors-philadelphia-76ers-charlotte-hornets-houston-rockets-trade-james-harden-russell-westbrook/2/

Charlotte Hornets Receive: Russell Westbrook, Tobias Harris

Philadelphia 76ers Receive: James Harden, Robert Covington

Houston Rockets Receive: Ben Simmons, Al Horford, Matisse Thybulle, Malik Monk, No. 3 Pick, No. 21 Pick, 2021 1st Round Pick (via PHI), 2022 1st Round Pick (via CHA – Top 5 Prot.)

So we trade our future for two older guys with some of the most horrible contracts in the league

Seriously these authors must be brain dead.

Ya, to most people, teams like the Hornets basically only exist to screw themselves over to help the contending teams succeed. Thats why every time a popular team is in a bad spot lots of people think, "Oh, well surely the Hornets or Knicks will do some insane deal to help them out of their jam".

Rays Pompadour · Post #111 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:11 pm

"As for Charlotte, they're just looking for relevance." Yeah, great analysis there. And a cop-out when you're throwing stuff against the wall for giggles.

For starters, Charlotte already said they wouldn't trade #3 for Westbrook. Even if they did, this deal would be sending out Monk and the '22 first rounder for Tobias Harris. Both parts of that deal are monstrously bad for the Hornets...all so they can be relevant?

Post #112 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:14 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:why do yal love high stats/career playoff failure guys so much

You talking about Harden? He would be the best stat padder to ever play for Hornets. Don’t think we get him but man we would be a contender day 1 in East.

Fixed. The fact this reiteration of the franchise hasn't had a high enough pick yet in a good draft doesn't mean we shouldn't aspire for players that do more than pad the stat sheet. Harden is a one-way player only.

Post #113 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:14 pm

double post

Post #114 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:17 pm

Braggins wrote:Harden is a nightmare to watch, but I think hes worth trading for if your team is in a different position than the Hornets. Wed have to gut the team and wouldn't have any way to build around him. They wouldn't have any draft picks or young players left and no one is coming here in free agency. Its not a viable path to success for this team imo, even though I do think Harden is the real deal.

The only way this team will ever contend is by drafting very astutely with the odd super savvy low-tier underrated cheap free agent signing. Trading the future farm for any superstar will just lead to a team that will get bounced in the first round every year.

Braggins · Post #115 » by **Braggins** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:21 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:why do yal love high stats/career playoff failure guys so much

You talking about Harden? He would be the best player to ever play for Hornets. Don’t think we get him but man we would be a contender day 1 in East.

I don't think a Harden/Zeller core would contend in the East. I think Harden is legit one of the best players in the league, but the price for him is going to be high enough that this team would have nothing left to surround him with talent. Even if they could keep Graham, I don't think Harden/Graham does anything relevant.

JMAC3 · Post #116 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:24 pm

You really think if we had Harden and 60 million in cap space next summer we are doomed and nobody would sign to live in a professional city with good weather?

I think the nature of nobody wants to sign in Charlotte is overblown. We have never had a star and money to spend in same offseason.

DY_nasty · Post #117 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:57 pm

I don't think there's any version of Harden + role players that's even better than Boston.

316Hornets · Post #118 » by **316Hornets** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:59 pm

luciano-davidwesley wrote:Do these idiots not get embarrassed about the rubbish they publish?

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/13/nba-rumors-philadelphia-76ers-charlotte-hornets-houston-rockets-trade-james-harden-russell-westbrook/2/

Charlotte Hornets Receive: Russell Westbrook, Tobias Harris

Philadelphia 76ers Receive: James Harden, Robert Covington

Houston Rockets Receive: Ben Simmons, Al Horford, Matisse Thybulle, Malik Monk, No. 3 Pick, No. 21 Pick, 2021 1st Round Pick (via PHI), 2022 1st Round Pick (via CHA – Top 5 Prot.)

So we trade our future for two older guys with some of the most horrible contracts in the league

Seriously these authors must be brain dead.

A lot of these reporters are just trying to appeal to the larger audience. They screw Charlotte in a make believe trade, but the bigger audience is like "mmm, yeah this guy is smart."

My motto is to trust in Kupchak, until he does something braindead, I won't give any of these idiots the time of day.

SWedd523 · Post #119 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:56 am

A. There's no way the Hornets trade for Harden

B. I absolutely detest the way Harden plays basketball

C. If a reasonable trade were possible, I'd still be okay with trading for him

Post #120 » by **Diop** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:53 am

SWedd523 wrote:A. There's no way the Hornets trade for Harden

B. I absolutely detest the way Harden plays basketball

C. If a reasonable trade were possible, I'd still be okay with trading for him

i feel the exact same way, he is too good not to trade for if it was possible. but its not, so lets move on