Game Thread: Charlotte v. Detroit 1-12-08

[W_HAMILTON]

So again, it was basically the rule everyone already knows about, not some seldom-used rule no one had heard of.

It was a judgement call, and you can bet if we were in Detroit, and Detroit did that to us, it sure as hell wouldn't have been called offensive goaltending.

I'll have to take a look at it when I get home, but just from how everyone responded, I would suspect it's at least a questionable call, and in a situation like that, you almost never see a very "questionable" call go against the home team in the closing seconds of a game.

Well, actually that's wrong, we see it a lot with the Bobcats (the Houston game comes to mind).

[amcoolio]

The ball was parallel with the rim when Mek touched it. It clearly was not going in. If Steve Nash threw that up, it would be a perfectly fine pass. This is the Bobcats, so the NBA doesn't care.

[Walt Cronkite]

Hamilton, think of the league. How would it look if the Celtics AND the Pistons BOTH lost to the LOWLY Bobcats?

[DaBassSource]

So again, it was basically the rule everyone already knows about, not some seldom-used rule no one had heard of.

It was a judgement call, and you can bet if we were in Detroit, and Detroit did that to us, it sure as hell wouldn't have been called offensive goaltending.

I'll have to take a look at it when I get home, but just from how everyone responded, I would suspect it's at least a questionable call, and in a situation like that, you almost never see a very "questionable" call go against the home team in the closing seconds of a game.

Well, actually that's wrong, we see it a lot with the Bobcats (the Houston game comes to mind).

Ham you are correct...it was a judgement call....but if it was the same trajectory but an alley oop to someone like Duncan then there would not have been a call....

[spectre_]

There I updated it with the fact that you can't touch a ball on a downward path that is going to hit the rim.

Right...so then almost all alley oops are really goal tending.

The replay from the front of the basket showed IT WOULD NEVER HAVE WENT IN.

Just take the W and move on...k? You're not going to convince anyone here.

[Catmando]

Don't even care about the call....if it was wrong so be it...a minute earlier the refs gave Crash a foul by McDyess for an And1 that was definitely a charge...

**shrug**

That was still a phenomenal game. I get the sense that the Bobcats are arriving.

The injury situation forced Vincent to put the ball into the hands of his best players and they gave him everything they had. It was powerful basketball. I am tremendously proud of the Bobcats and really getting excited about the remainder of the season. If only Touche could stay injured

[SCBobcat]

There I updated it with the fact that you can't touch a ball on a downward path that is going to hit the rim.

Rule 11, section I (f) of the NBA rules is accurately quoted this way: Touch any live ball from within the
playing area that is on its downward
flight with an opportunity to score.This
is considered to be a

[amcoolio]

The Bobcats can't be arriving. Every loss matters now. They are 13-23 through the easiest part of their schedule, they can't afford anymore losses. We finish up with 26 out of 41 road games, and we currently have 2 road wins. We can't keep losing like this. We shouldn't have lost this game, or the last game, or against the Celtics, or against all those teams we gave away after we were leading or tied in the 4th.

[bstein14]

I am being honest with the rule!

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_11.ht ... rticleList

Section I-A Player Shall Not:
a. Touch the ball or the basket ring when the ball is using the basket ring as its lower base.
EXCEPTION: If a player near his own basket has his hand legally in contact with the ball, it is not a violation if his contact with the ball continues after the ball enters the cylinder, or if, in such action, he touches the basket.
b. Touch the ball when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder.
c. For goaltending to occur, the ball, in the judgment of the official, must have a chance to score.
d. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched any part of the backboard above ring level, whether the ball is considered on its upward or downward flight.
e. During a field goal attempt, touch a ball after it has touched the backboard below the ring level and while the ball is on its upward flight.
f. Trap the ball against the face of the backboard. (To be a trapped ball, three elements must exist simultaneously. The hand, the ball and the backboard must all occur at the same time. A batted ball against the backboard is not a trapped ball.)
g. Touch any live ball from within the playing area that is on its downward flight with an opportunity to touch the basket ring. This is considered to be a "field goal attempt" or trying for a goal.
h. Touch the ball at any time with a hand which is through the basket ring.
i. Vibrate the rim or backboard so as to cause the ball to make an unnatural bounce.

[Catmando]

Once we get Touche back; the "arrival" will likely end; but maybe not.

The schedule and record is what it is. I only hope that we can look back on this game as a breakthrough. I was amazed at the effort and talent level we displayed. Wallace's game wasn't perfect; he forced too many outside shots; but otherwise he was phenomenal in many ways. Okafor played like we expect him to; and Nazr continues to totally amaze. Little Matt Carroll was incredible driving the lane. How many times did Henry Williams say "WOW" on the TV? Agreed. That's what its all about.

I know its ultimately about winning; but considering how our season has been going, this was exceptional. The Pistons walked into a sure thing and discovered that they were in a war.

If its too late for us to make the playoffs because of factors too tough to overcome; fine. But on the court tonight was a Bobcats team that can win many games and bring real excitement to the Arena.

[bstein14]

No one can argue that according to the rules of the NBA, it was a bad call. The ball was going to hit the rim. The ball clearly appeared to be short I agree. But the ball was going to hit the rim!

[Walt Cronkite]

Wow, so the Pistons beat the Bobcats on a technicality then.

You should be so proud.

[Walt Cronkite]

No one is trying to win your money Ben Stein. Leave the rules for stick stickly.

[SCBobcat]

bstein, I don't mean any disrespect. In fact, I am baffled that you were able to provide a link with that exact language in it. I checked the link, and while it looks like it is somehow endorsed by the NBA, it is different language than the official NBA rulebook. In this case I think I will have to side with the language that comes directly from the NBA rulebook.

Therefore, despite the web page you found that is part of NBA 101, I think anyone can argue that it was a bad call, according to the official rules of the NBA. We found differing rule language and one is controlling over the other.

[amcoolio]

Catmando, you can say that for the previous three seasons as well. This was supposed to be the year, and we can't get over the hump. And every loss just rubs salt in the wound that we will likely have to wait until next season to finally taste that playoff feeling. Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving up hope by any means. Its just hard to have hope when you get screwed in the ass like this so often that you can't get anything going.

[Walt Cronkite]

At least Bargnani's working out?

[fatlever]

wow.... just wow.... first the houston game at home, then the boston game at home and now this one. how many more close games like this can we lose... and why do the refs have to keep making calls against us like that? i have yet to see a replay of the last play, but from what i am reading it sounds like we got hosed. it looked like a crap call from the stands, but i'm looooooooooong way up.

regardless.... i am so proud of our team for the way they played tonight. to come out and compete like that with no pg, ball handlers at all, after losing in 2ot last night... amazing.

i thought wallace did an admirable job at pg considering the circumstances. he made some amazing plays but also forced a lot of bad/tough shots (not all his fault).

mek really bounced back tonight and looked great. i was so happy to see both mek and nazr play well at the same time.

walter got a good reception from the crowd.... not so much for primoz.

and what is up with all the piston fans at the game? ridiculous.

[fatlever]

and how about that ridiculous lineup in the 2nd quarter?

pg - carroll
sg - dudley
sf - hollins
pf - davidson
c - mohammed

[W_HAMILTON]

I was surprised no one mentioned that.

It sounded like there were as many Pistons fans at the game as Bobcat fans. Usually fans cheer when the opposing team misses, but if you were listening on the radio, you could tell they made the shot because of the CHEERS that would roar through.

I could understand if it was Kobe or Lebron or some guy like that that draws in all the posers, but the Pistons?

[fatlever]

ham, it was ridiculous. way way too many piston fans at the game. almost as bad as the celtics game except the pistons fans were more annoying and worse winners.