The Gordon Hayward Thread

Post #1001 » by **fatlever** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:29 pm

you guys complaining about the jazz taking the full 3 days to match better be glad its not the old days when teams had 10 days (i think) to match.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1002 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:31 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Signing players is not about getting the best bang for your buck or the best bargain value out there.

Actually, that's exactly what it's about as long as there's a salary cap and luxury tax. This isn't the MLB, the Hornets aren't the Yankees, and Michael Jordan isn't George Steinbrenner

MasterIchiro · Post #1003 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:38 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Signing players is not about getting the best bang for your buck or the best bargain value out there.

Actually, that's exactly what it's about as long as there's a salary cap and luxury tax. This isn't the MLB, the Hornets aren't the Yankees, and Michael Jordan isn't George Steinbrenner

If you sit around and dumpster dive for the best bargains, you may be able to brag that your players production/cost ratio is more favorable but you have a team of garbage and fans won't pay to watch those Henderson's and Jodie Meeks of the world.

You have to look for bargains but you also can't eliminate every target for a player requiring a premium.

MasterIchiro · Post #1004 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:45 pm

Put simpler, if you always refuse to pay a premium then you're never going to get better.

The best players require a premium.

The competition for them is greater, inflating the perceived value, driving up the cost.

At what point do you decide you want to break with fiscal restraint and add a premium asset?

If you keep fishing around for bargains you can be fishing for a looooong time and then at the end of the day walk away with your Gerald Henderson suckerfish.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1005 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:50 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Signing players is not about getting the best bang for your buck or the best bargain value out there.

Actually, that's exactly what it's about as long as there's a salary cap and luxury tax. This isn't the MLB, the Hornets aren't the Yankees, and Michael Jordan isn't George Steinbrenner

If you sit around and dumpster dive for the best bargains, you may be able to brag that your players production/cost ratio is more favorable but you have a team of garbage and fans won't pay to watch those Henderson's and Jodie Meeks of the world.

You have to look for bargains but you also can't eliminate every target for a player requiring a premium.

If you sit around and wait for the best bargains you won't be cash strapped with your hands behind your back when the 'right player' come along to invest that money in

MasterIchiro · Post #1006 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:54 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Actually, that's exactly what it's about as long as there's a salary cap and luxury tax. This isn't the MLB, the Hornets aren't the Yankees, and Michael Jordan isn't George Steinbrenner

If you sit around and dumpster dive for the best bargains, you may be able to brag that your players production/cost ratio is more favorable but you have a team of garbage and fans won't pay to watch those Henderson's and Jodie Meeks of the world.

You have to look for bargains but you also can't eliminate every target for a player requiring a premium.

If you sit around and wait for the best bargains you won't be cash strapped with your hands behind your back when the 'right player' come along to invest that money in

This assumes you're going to get bargains for something/anything more than mediocre players. It's the exception, a total rarity, to get a bargain on a superior talent.

But you keep looking and play Hendo + Meeks while you search.

Jazzfan154 · Post #1007 » by **Jazzfan154** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:02 pm

As a Jazz fan I hope we wait 72 hours because any team that tries to take a player from us deserves to pay for it.

Flip Murray · Post #1008 » by **Flip Murray** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:03 pm

Look at us the **** who tried to sign a free agent

MasterIchiro · Post #1009 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:06 pm

Jazzfan154 wrote:As a Jazz fan I hope we wait 72 hours because any team that tries to take a player from us deserves to pay for it.

Any cheap owner who tries to screw his face player deserves to pay for it too. Good for Gordon Hayward and just remember, he prefers Charlotte and can opt out in 3 years. Take care of him for us, if you don't mind.

Eoghan · Post #1010 » by **Eoghan** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:06 pm

They said on tv that the Jazz were matching, thank god. Now let's fret over whom Cho throws too much money at next!

mrknowitall215 · Post #1011 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:09 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
If you sit around and dumpster dive for the best bargains, you may be able to brag that your players production/cost ratio is more favorable but you have a team of garbage and fans won't pay to watch those Henderson's and Jodie Meeks of the world.

You have to look for bargains but you also can't eliminate every target for a player requiring a premium.

If you sit around and wait for the best bargains you won't be cash strapped with your hands behind your back when the 'right player' come along to invest that money in

This assumes you're going to get bargains for something/anything more than mediocre players. It's the exception, a total rarity, to get a bargain on a superior talent.

But you keep looking and play Hendo + Meeks while you search.

The Hornets don't have to strike via free-agency this season. They could wait until next season if they don't see anything that's worth the bite. It's already rumored that next season's free-agency is going to be stronger anyway

Jazzfan154 · Post #1012 » by **Jazzfan154** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:10 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
Jazzfan154 wrote:As a Jazz fan I hope we wait 72 hours because any team that tries to take a player from us deserves to pay for it.

Any cheap owner who tries to screw his face player deserves to pay for it too. Good for Gordon Hayward and just remember, he prefers Charlotte and can opt out in 3 years. Take care of him for us, if you don't mind.

Actually our owner doesn't make contract negotiations, he lets our GM do the work which is why our franchise hasn't screwed up on handfuls of top 10 picks. :lol:

I love MJ but let's be honest he was a better player then he is an owner.

Also we didn't try to screw him, hayward isn't worth a max, but i'm sure his agent knew he could get one so he waited, good on him and his agent.

He doesn't prefer Charlotte if he wanted a max from us he would have to accept it from somewhere else.

MasterIchiro · Post #1013 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:11 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
If you sit around and wait for the best bargains you won't be cash strapped with your hands behind your back when the 'right player' come along to invest that money in

This assumes you're going to get bargains for something/anything more than mediocre players. It's the exception, a total rarity, to get a bargain on a superior talent.

But you keep looking and play Hendo + Meeks while you search.

The Hornets don't have to strike via free-agency this season. They could wait until next season if they don't see anything that's worth the bite. It's already rumored that next season's free-agency is going to be stronger anyway

I can't think of a sweeter scenario than Lance signing here for more than 10 million.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1014 » by **mrknowitall215** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:12 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
This assumes you're going to get bargains for something/anything more than mediocre players. It's the exception, a total rarity, to get a bargain on a superior talent.

But you keep looking and play Hendo + Meeks while you search.

The Hornets don't have to strike via free-agency this season. They could wait until next season if they don't see anything that's worth the bite. It's already rumored that next season's free-agency is going to be stronger anyway

I can't think of a sweeter scenario than Lance signing here for more than 10 million.

I can. How about Lance Stephenson signing here for $8.8 million?

Jazzfan154 · Post #1015 » by **Jazzfan154** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:15 pm

That trash talk being said, I think you guys can completely turn around your franchise, I really like the Hornets better then bobcats, the new look and everything is great and you guys picked great this year. Looks like you guys have a bright future ahead of you.

MasterIchiro · Post #1016 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:15 pm

Jazzfan154 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Jazzfan154 wrote:As a Jazz fan I hope we wait 72 hours because any team that tries to take a player from us deserves to pay for it.

Any cheap owner who tries to screw his face player deserves to pay for it too. Good for Gordon Hayward and just remember, he prefers Charlotte and can opt out in 3 years. Take care of him for us, if you don't mind.

Actually our owner doesn't make contract negotiations, he lets our GM do the work which is why our franchise hasn't screwed up on handfuls of top 10 picks. I love MJ but let's be honest he was a better player then he is an owner.

Also we didn't try to screw him, hayward isn't worth a max, but i'm sure his agent knew he could get one so he waited, good on him and his agent.

He doesn't prefer Charlotte if he wanted a max from us he would have to accept it from somewhere else.

The fact is, your GM cost your owner millions and Gordon Hayward will opt out in 3 years. Why wouldn't he prefer a playoff team in the East to a bottom feeder in the West? You think he likes losing?

Look I get that you're pissed Cho tried to poach him but don't act like your team is all tough and this whole making Charlotte 'pay' is of any consequence in the grand scheme. Our GM's plan accounts for the 3 day window because he can think ahead. Yours failed to do the same and it cost millions. Watch us still get one of our top targets and you'll know you didn't make us pay for squat.

BleedTeal · Post #1017 » by **BleedTeal** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:16 pm

Jazzfan154 wrote:He doesn't prefer Charlotte if he wanted a max from us he would have to accept it from somewhere else.

That statement makes little to no sense.

MasterIchiro · Post #1018 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:16 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
The Hornets don't have to strike via free-agency this season. They could wait until next season if they don't see anything that's worth the bite. It's already rumored that next season's free-agency is going to be stronger anyway

I can't think of a sweeter scenario than Lance signing here for more than 10 million.

I can. How about Lance Stephenson signing here for $8.8 million?

That gets you what the Pacers have, nothing.

MasterIchiro · Post #1019 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:17 pm

BleedTeal wrote:
Jazzfan154 wrote:He doesn't prefer Charlotte if he wanted a max from us he would have to accept it from somewhere else.

That statement makes little to no sense.

He's implying his agent/Hayward used us to get the max with his true favorite destination the jazz.

BleedTeal · Post #1020 » by **BleedTeal** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:17 pm

Jazzfan154 wrote:That trash talk being said, I think you guys can completely turn around your franchise, I really like the Hornets better then bobcats, the new look and everything is great and you guys picked great this year. Looks like you guys have a bright future ahead of you.

Lets hope so. Last year was a great turning point. We just need that one guy from FA (hopefully Lance) to give us a nice boost. Utah could really get a good roster too it seems.