Signed By Indiana - The Jeremy Lamb Thread

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I think lamb will perform better this year and I really like the length on the perimeter with lamb, mkg, and batum.

Pretty much every year for his entire time in the NBA folks have expected him to "perform better this year." I just don't see it. I'm not hating on Lamb, I'm just not expecting anything more than the team got last year from him on average. He is what he is at this point.

[Johnstarks]

Disagree. He made strides last year. Improving defender and he shot significantly better from 2s. His 3s fell off a cliff but he was hotter than molten lava to start the year. I think this is the year he breaks out. I'd say I'm unbiased but I LOVE me a good gyro.

Oooooh I'm gonna start nicknaming him 'Hero' but thinking about lamb gyros when I say it

[reelsgm]

I think lamb will perform better this year and I really like the length on the perimeter with lamb, mkg, and batum.

Pretty much every year for his entire time in the NBA folks have expected him to "perform better this year." I just don't see it. I'm not hating on Lamb, I'm just not expecting anything more than the team got last year from him on average. He is what he is at this point.

Has head coach Clifford ever changed his mind about ANY player? From what I've heard in previous seasons, if you made it into Clifford's doghouse - you're history, you don't come out. Clearly, Clifford has a problem with Lamb and appears it cemented itself in practices because Lamb dropped off the playing time map in the absence of notable, egregious game-time infractions.

So the better question is, even if Lamb performs like a Ferrari - does he really have a chance with Clifford? ..first guy to get out of Clifford's doghouse?

[Diop]

Clifford spent a fair bit of time and effort into trying to find a role for PJ Hairston after a crappy rookie season.

Clifford will do what he can to help the team win, he doesn't seem the type to hold grudges.
This year we need Lamb more than ever with the thin amount of wings on the bench.

[yosemiteben]

Has head coach Clifford ever changed his mind about ANY player? From what I've heard in previous seasons, if you made it into Clifford's doghouse - you're history, you don't come out.

Can you name any player that has "made it into Cliff's doghouse" and stayed there? I feel like there isn't much to support this view, but there's lots of evidence that he changes how he uses players.

Cody used to get yanked all the time as our backup PF and is now starting at C.

Troy never played at the start of last season then worked his way into the rotation.

Biz started off the 2014-15 season at the end of the bench but was back in the rotation a couple weeks into the season.

Marv was supposed to be our starting PF in 2014-15, but came off the bench behind Cody a month into the season.

Lance was supposed to be our dynamic SG to plug in next to Kemba, but he hit the bench a month into the season.

Al was guaranteed all the PT he wanted when he came to Charlotte, but Cliff turned him into a limited role backup by the end of last season.

[reelsgm]

Has head coach Clifford ever changed his mind about ANY player? From what I've heard in previous seasons, if you made it into Clifford's doghouse - you're history, you don't come out.

Can you name any player that has "made it into Cliff's doghouse" and stayed there? I feel like there isn't much to support this view, but there's lots of evidence that he changes how he uses players.

Cody used to get yanked all the time as our backup PF and is now starting at C.

Troy never played at the start of last season then worked his way into the rotation.

Biz started off the 2014-15 season at the end of the bench but was back in the rotation a couple weeks into the season.

Marv was supposed to be our starting PF in 2014-15, but came off the bench behind Cody a month into the season.

Lance was supposed to be our dynamic SG to plug in next to Kemba, but he hit the bench a month into the season.

Al was guaranteed all the PT he wanted when he came to Charlotte, but Cliff turned him into a limited role backup by the end of last season.

I admit no familiarity with the chronological minutiae of each player under Clifford. What I know from other long-time fans is generalities of player histories which followed a common pattern. When Clifford finally marginalized a player, not only did they see few minutes, they ended-up off the team as well:

Bismack
Vonleh
Lance
Mo Williams (upon Kemba's return)

But regardless, I bow to your superior Charlotte fandom knowledge.

[yosemiteben]

Yeah, it's not really a conversation worth having unless you understand the context for those players.

[bws94]

Lamb is a good rebounder and scorer, and can pass off of the dribble though he shouldn't try to distribute too much. Defense is still a big problem. He needs some direction. Last year in the 2nd unit, when he had his role and followed Lin or Batum's positioning and plays, he did well. When he tried to do too much, then he had issues offensively. But defensively, still, is where Cliff will need to see big improvement.

[Chapelchilla]

Has head coach Clifford ever changed his mind about ANY player? From what I've heard in previous seasons, if you made it into Clifford's doghouse - you're history, you don't come out.

Can you name any player that has "made it into Cliff's doghouse" and stayed there? I feel like there isn't much to support this view, but there's lots of evidence that he changes how he uses players.

Cody used to get yanked all the time as our backup PF and is now starting at C.

Troy never played at the start of last season then worked his way into the rotation.

Biz started off the 2014-15 season at the end of the bench but was back in the rotation a couple weeks into the season.

Marv was supposed to be our starting PF in 2014-15, but came off the bench behind Cody a month into the season.

Lance was supposed to be our dynamic SG to plug in next to Kemba, but he hit the bench a month into the season.

Al was guaranteed all the PT he wanted when he came to Charlotte, but Cliff turned him into a limited role backup by the end of last season.

I admit no familiarity with the chronological minutiae of each player under Clifford. What I know from other long-time fans is generalities of player histories which followed a common pattern. When Clifford finally marginalized a player, not only did they see few minutes, they ended-up off the team as well:

Bismack
Vonleh
Lance
Mo Williams (upon Kemba's return)

But regardless, I bow to your superior Charlotte fandom knowledge.

Bismack - Not sure why he did not work out in the end except that his offensive skills were so poor that he didn't fit with our other poor shooters on those squads
Vonleh - too raw for our line up and maybe just not any good with the poor teamwork/decision making
Lance - The dude sucks and is still a FA, would piss off any coach
Mo - very old and we wore him out quickly when he played minutes for Kemba
Mo Williams (

[Mystical Apples]

Still perplexed by the notion Lamb's issues were on defense. His problems were "awareness" which disproportionately effected CHA on offense. He had issues on defense too but his physical tools more than compensated for it. Missed backdoor cuts aside, opposing 2nd units REALLY struggled on non-live ball possessions when Lamb was surrounded by length and mobility

The trick is finding Lamb's best lineup(s) to be offense-neutral. Belinelli and Hawes are fairly ideal.

[fatlever]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article104737331.html

A guy who looked like a Most Improved Player candidate in December was a rotation afterthought in April.

What happened?

“I was good early, and then I just didn’t do the things I needed to: It’s eating right, it’s cold-tubbing every day, it’s stretching,” Lamb said. “Just the little things that really keep your body going through the season.”

What must Lamb show this preseason?

“Sustained consistency,” said Hornets coach Steve Clifford.

[yosemiteben]

A bit redundant there Cliff.

"What Lamb needs is focused paying attention."

[SWedd523]

All he really needs to do is diligently work hard

[yosemiteben]

We have to patiently not rush his development.

[HornetJail]

But really he needs to learn to consistently shoot well with regularity

[yosemiteben]

It is really important that he be coachable and open to what Cliff wants him to do.

[SWedd523]

Which should be easy if he continues to show a strong work ethic by putting in good work on a daily basis

[Joest2003]

I heard the whole interview. He admitted the 82 game season started to wear on him towards the end and he was talking about the changes he has to make so that he will be in better shape towards the end of the year. was also talking about how thankful he was to be in the league and to have the opportunity the Hornets gave him so im pretty sure he will come in this year in way better shape. He posted some pictures on his instgram today and he looks a lot stronger than last season.

[Snidely FC]

"I know what to expect when I put him on the court," was always Clifford's favorite compliment about Gerald Henderson. Not so much Jeremy Lamb. lamb just looks clueless out there. I don't know how you know what to expect from him. I know people think his wingspan ought to make him a good defender, but his team defense and defensive awareness are just a mess and never going to be what Clifford expects. He looks physically stronger but his lateral pursuit is spastic. And that vacuous expression on his face isn't going away any time soon. I think Lamb needs to go. In the meantime, would be interested to see what Treveon Graham can do as a 3 & D guy with Lamb's minutes.

[Zombiesonics]

"I know what to expect when I put him on the court," was always Clifford's favorite compliment about Gerald Henderson. Not so much Jeremy Lamb. lamb just looks clueless out there. I don't know how you know what to expect from him. I know people think his wingspan ought to make him a good defender, but his team defense and defensive awareness are just a mess and never going to be what Clifford expects. He looks physically stronger but his lateral pursuit is spastic. And that vacuous expression on his face isn't going away any time soon. I think Lamb needs to go. In the meantime, would be interested to see what Treveon Graham can do as a 3 & D guy with Lamb's minutes.