Fake Trade Thread #3

[BigSlam]

Here is my question, and no I am not saying to trade Heyward to Atlanta for Collins.

Would you rather pay 30 year old Heyward $30 million per year, or would you rather pay 23 year old John Collins that $30 million per year?

Hayward for me - and it’s not particularly close.

[geraldwallace]

Hawks apparently want a lotto first for Collins

[LofJ]

If we want Collins we might as well offer PJ Washington because Collins isn't a 5. He doesn't solve any of our problems.

[stinger14]

Here is my question, and no I am not saying to trade Heyward to Atlanta for Collins.

Would you rather pay 30 year old Heyward $30 million per year, or would you rather pay 23 year old John Collins that $30 million per year?

Collins

As good as Gordon is now, the final couple years of that contract still scare the crap out of me.

A few like Heyward better, but I am with you on Collins. Gordon is playing great right now, but I am scared of another Batum situation for those final couple of years. I also feel that Collins and Ball can hit their primes together, while Gordon does not fit that time line.

My thoughts on this also stem from the trade on the trade board. If we could trade Heyward for Wiseman and Oubre, we add a rim running center to play with LaMelo. Wiseman can also solve an issue at center I think most would be happy about.

Then offer Atlanta Graham and our top 5 protected 1st for Collins.

Wiseman and Collins would be a good pairing, and we add them to LaMelo and Rozier in the starting lineup. Wiseman, Collins, PJ, and Bridges give us several combination opportunities up front, including a couple of intriguing small ball lineups

[BeesWax]

Here is my question, and no I am not saying to trade Heyward to Atlanta for Collins.

Would you rather pay 30 year old Heyward $30 million per year, or would you rather pay 23 year old John Collins that $30 million per year?

Collins

As good as Gordon is now, the final couple years of that contract still scare the crap out of me.

I saw your comment on the trade board trade with GS. If they wanted to go all in and we wanted to build around Melo why not combine the two situations.

Hornets get:
Collins, Wiseman, Wiggins
Trade:
Hayward, Washington, Zeller, Protected 1st pick, 2nd rounder

GS gets:
Hayward, Zeller
Trade:
Wiggins, Wiseman

Atlanta gets:
Washington, protected 1st and a 2nd
Trade:
Collins

Atlanta gets a young replacement for Collins on a cheap contract. We get a young crew to fill around Melo and build toward a playoff team. GS gets a piece that is better now and a better fit once Thompson gets back and a center built to help this year and then comes off the books at the cost of moving Wiseman.

[stinger14]

Here is my question, and no I am not saying to trade Heyward to Atlanta for Collins.

Would you rather pay 30 year old Heyward $30 million per year, or would you rather pay 23 year old John Collins that $30 million per year?

Collins

As good as Gordon is now, the final couple years of that contract still scare the crap out of me.

I saw your comment on the trade board trade with GS. If they wanted to go all in and we wanted to build around Melo why not combine the two situations.

Hornets get:
Collins, Wiseman, Wiggins
Trade:
Hayward, Washington, Zeller, Protected 1st pick, 2nd rounder

GS gets:
Hayward, Zeller
Trade:
Wiggins, Wiseman

Atlanta gets:
Washington, protected 1st and a 2nd
Trade:
Collins

Atlanta gets a young replacement for Collins on a cheap contract. We get a young crew to fill around Melo and build toward a playoff team. GS gets a piece that is better now and a better fit once Thompson gets back and a center built to help this year and then comes off the books at the cost of moving Wiseman.

I think you were typing this as I posted something similar just above. I think the Collins/Wiseman pairing just makes to much sense. Add in LaMelo, and the future would look the brightest we have seen in a long time.

[yosemiteben]

Collins

As good as Gordon is now, the final couple years of that contract still scare the crap out of me.

I saw your comment on the trade board trade with GS. If they wanted to go all in and we wanted to build around Melo why not combine the two situations.

Hornets get:
Collins, Wiseman, Wiggins
Trade:
Hayward, Washington, Zeller, Protected 1st pick, 2nd rounder

GS gets:
Hayward, Zeller
Trade:
Wiggins, Wiseman

Atlanta gets:
Washington, protected 1st and a 2nd
Trade:
Collins

Atlanta gets a young replacement for Collins on a cheap contract. We get a young crew to fill around Melo and build toward a playoff team. GS gets a piece that is better now and a better fit once Thompson gets back and a center built to help this year and then comes off the books at the cost of moving Wiseman.

I think you were typing this as I posted something similar just above. I think the Collins/Wiseman pairing just makes to much sense. Add in LaMelo, and the future would look the brightest we have seen in a long time.

Interesting proposal, but I can't imagine that we are going to send out Hayward right after signing him and treating having him on board as this big windfall event for the franchise.

Likewise, I can't imagine that GSW trades their number promising number 2 pick for Hayward and an expiring Zeller.

With that said, I'd be on board.

[stinger14]

I saw your comment on the trade board trade with GS. If they wanted to go all in and we wanted to build around Melo why not combine the two situations.

Hornets get:
Collins, Wiseman, Wiggins
Trade:
Hayward, Washington, Zeller, Protected 1st pick, 2nd rounder

GS gets:
Hayward, Zeller
Trade:
Wiggins, Wiseman

Atlanta gets:
Washington, protected 1st and a 2nd
Trade:
Collins

Atlanta gets a young replacement for Collins on a cheap contract. We get a young crew to fill around Melo and build toward a playoff team. GS gets a piece that is better now and a better fit once Thompson gets back and a center built to help this year and then comes off the books at the cost of moving Wiseman.

I think you were typing this as I posted something similar just above. I think the Collins/Wiseman pairing just makes to much sense. Add in LaMelo, and the future would look the brightest we have seen in a long time.

Interesting proposal, but I can't imagine that we are going to send out Hayward right after signing him and treating having him on board as this big windfall event for the franchise.

Likewise, I can't imagine that GSW trades their number promising number 2 pick for Hayward and an expiring Zeller.

With that said, I'd be on board.

I think it would be tough for GSW to trade Wiseman, but I know if we were in their situation, I as a fan would say make the deal. When you have a superstar like Curry, I believe you have to go all in now and not the future. As an organization you don’t take anything for granted and need to be aggressive during your window of opportunity.

Next year having Klay back, you now create a Curry, Klay, Heyward, Draymond team that can compete with anybody.

Playing the now and later game probably gets them a mid to low seed in the West, and a 2nd round exit at best.

[amcoolio]

Wiseman isn't even solving Golden State's size and rebounding problem, why would you want him here? Statistically Zeller is a better defender and rebounder. He may get it in 2023-2024, but he needs a ton of work.

I'd rather draft a Euro big or get Javale McGee on the cheap. Jokic, Gobert, Vucevic, Nurkic, Adebayo, Sabonis, Giannis, Turner, Capella, Bryant, Allen, Robinson were all drafted late lotto to late first which is where we will be drafting and we'd be thrilled with any of them

[HornetJail]

Here is my question, and no I am not saying to trade Heyward to Atlanta for Collins.

Would you rather pay 30 year old Heyward $30 million per year, or would you rather pay 23 year old John Collins that $30 million per year?

Collins

As good as Gordon is now, the final couple years of that contract still scare the crap out of me.

I saw your comment on the trade board trade with GS. If they wanted to go all in and we wanted to build around Melo why not combine the two situations.

Hornets get:
Collins, Wiseman, Wiggins
Trade:
Hayward, Washington, Zeller, Protected 1st pick, 2nd rounder

GS gets:
Hayward, Zeller
Trade:
Wiggins, Wiseman

Atlanta gets:
Washington, protected 1st and a 2nd
Trade:
Collins

Atlanta gets a young replacement for Collins on a cheap contract. We get a young crew to fill around Melo and build toward a playoff team. GS gets a piece that is better now and a better fit once Thompson gets back and a center built to help this year and then comes off the books at the cost of moving Wiseman.

I would be over the moon with all of this. We may not make the playoffs without Hayward, but this squad plus a top 10 pick SF would be so dirty in the future.

LaMelo (20yo next season)/Terry (27)/Wiggins (26)/Collins (24)/Wiseman (20)
Devonte' (26)/Monk (23)/2021 lottery pick (19-22yo)/Bridges (23)/Carey (20)

That team plus an MLE free agent veteran is a real good team next year, and has a legit future.

[BeesWax]

Wiseman isn't even solving Golden State's size and rebounding problem, why would you want him here? Statistically Zeller is a better defender and rebounder. He may get it in 2023-2024, but he needs a ton of work.

I'd rather draft a Euro big or get Javale McGee on the cheap. Jokic, Gobert, Vucevic, Nurkic, Adebayo, Sabonis, Giannis, Turner, Capella, Bryant, Allen, Robinson were all drafted late lotto to late first which is where we will be drafting and we'd be thrilled with any of them

Zeller solves it now but Wiseman can grow with the young core. I think if you rolled out Melo, Rozier, Wiggins and Collins then we could be highly competitive with just Biz and Wiseman in the middle. If we land a nice big somewhere along the line to battle it out then great but with the 1-4 set I think a developing big and Biz can hold the fort. If Wiseman hits his potential it happens as Terry and Wiggns go off the books and you can resign Melo and Wiseman to go with Collins and whomever we draft in the future.

[DY_nasty]

Wiseman isn't even solving Golden State's size and rebounding problem, why would you want him here? Statistically Zeller is a better defender and rebounder. He may get it in 2023-2024, but he needs a ton of work.

I'd rather draft a Euro big or get Javale McGee on the cheap. Jokic, Gobert, Vucevic, Nurkic, Adebayo, Sabonis, Giannis, Turner, Capella, Bryant, Allen, Robinson were all drafted late lotto to late first which is where we will be drafting and we'd be thrilled with any of them

wiseman's legit. and he's probably the antithesis of what GS tries to do on both ends of the court.... no rookie big really takes off immmediately - but he's more than shown he's got special talent so far. all those guys you listed took a while to get going too.

considering what wiseman's doing with no camp, not playing organized ball for longer than most of the other guys drafted, etc i kinda find it hard to believe anyone's critical of the guy.

[Diop]

If we want Collins we might as well offer PJ Washington because Collins isn't a 5. He doesn't solve any of our problems.

If they would accept Washington for Collins, I’d fly to America just to drive him to Atlanta myself.

He averaged 20/10 with 1.6 blocks last year. I’m sure he has issues but is still better than any big we have, or I see us getting next year.

[Diop]

I get the concern for overpaying, same concern I had for rozier and Hayward, but both have worked out.

If they decide to spend on Collins I wouldn’t cry about it.

[euphorbus]

There is a lot of chatter about trading Monk plus other assets for Drummond. I am not sure whether to take it seriously or not.

[luciano-davidwesley]

There is a lot of chatter about trading Monk plus other assets for Drummond. I am not sure whether to take it seriously or not.

Rozier or Zeller would have to be included. I don't want Rozier traded and if it is Zeller I'd imagine Cleveland would want draft compensation on top for what is effectively a rental.

Either scenario makes no sense to me

[MPM]

Some nerd stuff for kicks and gigs – RPM rankings relative to position. As it’s far less valuable a stat as a single-season metric, I’ve included season to date and last year. Really should pull a year or two more and average, but far, far too lazy. Not sure what any of this has to say – if anything at all – have at it.

EDIT: And, no, I'm not implying Collins is a center. Just included names that are being tossed about in our trade talks.

Drummond

2019-2020

RPM: 50th
DRPM: 37th
WINS: 42nd
ORPM: 49th

2020-2021

RPM: 38th
DRPM: 64th
WINS: 28th
ORPM: 25th

Collins

2019-2020

RPM: 11th
DRPM: 27th
WINS: 14th
ORPM: 8th

2020-2021

RPM: 6th
DRPM: 9th
WINS: 5th
ORPM: 10th


Zeller

2019-2020

RPM: 47th
DRPM: 44th
WINS: 41st
ORPM: 40th

2020-2021

RPM: 31st
DRPM: 68th
WINS: 36th
ORPM: 16th

[Soul Rebel]

I'm lukewarm on Collins maybe bc I'm overwhelmed with our recent B2B draftings of undersized/tweeners in Miles and PJ. Trying PJ at the 5 & Bridges at the 4. I just don't see the upside to Collins unless we are done with PJ and are ready to lock Collins into a long-term contract at the 4.... and continue to search for our C.

I don't need a lumbering 7-footer in the paint, but having smaller SG, PF and C over the past two years is getting frustrating. I feel like moves we should be making now should be trending towards cleaning up the roster management, not complicating it. Now, if it's a matter of being done with PJ and moving forward with Collins, then it makes more sense....kind of. Collins is what we are hoping PJ will be, only better...but PJ is a year younger.

Doesn't seem to be a needle moving move.

[-Ian-]

Zach Collins was mentioned a few pages back. I'd rather have him than Atlanta's Collins. He'll probably come cheaper given that the Hawks are asking for the moon.

[HornetJail]

Zach Collins was mentioned a few pages back. I'd rather have him than Atlanta's Collins. He'll probably come cheaper given that the Hawks are asking for the moon.

Legit question- why?

He's a slightly better shooting version of Cody and somehow significantly more injury prone.