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[fatlever]

Jrue shot 30% in college.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jrue-holiday-1.html

so the reasoning is, if jrue can jump from 30% to 37%, so can castle? how about all the 30% defensive guards in college who remain <35 in pros?

nobody would disagree, if castle can shoot like jrue, he'll be a stud. and if he is only, say 32%, he'll still be very valuable, just not a jrue level franchise changer.

[JMAC3]

Jrue shot 30% in college.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jrue-holiday-1.html

so the reasoning is, if jrue can jump from 30% to 37%, so can castle? how about all the 30% defensive guards in college who remain <35 in pros?

nobody would disagree, if castle can shoot like jrue, he'll be a stud. and if he is only, say 32%, he'll still be very valuable, just not a jrue level franchise changer.

Jrue and Castle profiles are similar as both played more off the ball in college due to veteran rosters.
Jrue was knocked more though as he was drafted 17th, with a very similar profile to Castle.
Jrue actually was the better shooter by volume and % per 40 mins.

The key for Jrue was he was able to transition to the PG spot full time, if he had been an off-ball guard the majority of his career I think he would have been valued less.

[SWedd523]

The year before Jrue got drafted, the league average was 6.6 threes made on 18.1 attempts per game

This year it's 12.8 made on 35.1 attempts per game.


It's a completely different league and disingenuous at best to compare Jrue to Castle because perimeter player development is completely different now 15 years after Jrue was a prospect. 30% then does not equal 30% now.

[Diop]

My personal trauma from this Final series is whenever I watch Horford do his thing, I'm reminded that if we traded Batum for him we wouldn't have had to stretch him.
Horford was at OKC as a salary dump as his value had crashed due to Elton Brand thinking he would fit between Embiid and Tobias Harris.

Horford had 2 years left while Batum's was expiring, but it would have given us enough room to trade for Hayward.
Of course the truth was that Horford was still a good/great vet who would have really helped Charlotte.

Instead we stuck with the Zeller/Biyombo duo.

my ptsd

[MasterIchiro]

Jrue is very selective.

He's averaged only 4.1 3PA per game for his career, and only 4.7 this season as the game has changed and he's an impact player for a championship caliber club for the second straight year.

I don't think Castle would have to attempt more than. 4 three pointers in this offense. LaMelo & Brandon together attempt 14 per game, roughly the same as half a rotation. Miles is also not shy.

[Snidely FC]

So much for "the big man is back"

Celtics about to win the title playing 6'9 and 6'7 centers

Looks like the real secret sauce is having high level two way players at every position

[SWedd523]

Yeah the secret is to have the most talent playing the best.

[wilson115]

But is it replicable? Any team can fill out a roster with known quantities like an Al or a Jrue, but look what they were saying about this punk:

Spoiler:

The Celtics selected California freshman Jaylen Brown with the No. 3 overall pick.

Brown, a 6-foot-7 forward, joins the Celtics as the first of the team's three first-round picks in this year's draft. The pick was met with a less-than-enthusiastic reaction at Boston's draft party at TD Garden, where many in the crowd booed the pick, then booed again when Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck came out of the war room to address the fans.

"Fourteen years, that's probably the worst [reaction] I've gotten," Grousbeck said.

https://www.espn.ph/nba/draft2016/story/_/id/16458663/2016-nba-draft-boston-celtics-select-jaylen-brown-no-3-overall-pick

The Boston Celtics, maybe more than any team in the league, embrace analytics. Yet team decision-makers often remind us that you can't make decisions based on numbers alone. There's a balance to be found between what your eyes tell you and what the numbers suggest.

That is why California forward Jaylen Brown is one of the more fascinating players in this year's draft. If the Celtics are interested in Brown with the No. 3 pick, the team will be forced to essentially choose a side of the fence. The eyeball test with Brown shows a 19-year-old with intriguing raw athleticism, while multiple computer models suggest Brown will struggle to make an impact at the next level.

https://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4723335/not-the-model-choice-would-celtics-roll-dice-with-jaylen-brown

[Gant]

But is it replicable? Any team can fill out a roster with known quantities like an Al or a Jrue, but look what they were saying about this punk:

Spoiler:

The Celtics selected California freshman Jaylen Brown with the No. 3 overall pick.

Brown, a 6-foot-7 forward, joins the Celtics as the first of the team's three first-round picks in this year's draft. The pick was met with a less-than-enthusiastic reaction at Boston's draft party at TD Garden, where many in the crowd booed the pick, then booed again when Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck came out of the war room to address the fans.

"Fourteen years, that's probably the worst [reaction] I've gotten," Grousbeck said.

https://www.espn.ph/nba/draft2016/story/_/id/16458663/2016-nba-draft-boston-celtics-select-jaylen-brown-no-3-overall-pick

The Boston Celtics, maybe more than any team in the league, embrace analytics. Yet team decision-makers often remind us that you can't make decisions based on numbers alone. There's a balance to be found between what your eyes tell you and what the numbers suggest.

That is why California forward Jaylen Brown is one of the more fascinating players in this year's draft. If the Celtics are interested in Brown with the No. 3 pick, the team will be forced to essentially choose a side of the fence. The eyeball test with Brown shows a 19-year-old with intriguing raw athleticism, while multiple computer models suggest Brown will struggle to make an impact at the next level.

https://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4723335/not-the-model-choice-would-celtics-roll-dice-with-jaylen-brown

Not that the boos weren't uninformed and ridiculous, but those fans weren't booing the selection of Jaylen Brown; they were booing not selecting Kris Dunn who was regionally popular because he played at Providence.

By the way, on another subject, every single thing said about Charles Lee's time in Boston has been glowing.

[JDR720]

The Celtics entire starting 5 (including Kristaps) are All-Star players.

Their 4th and 5th best starters (saying Kristaps is 3rd best) are All-NBA defenders.

They're just OP. Dallas have an excellent group of role players, but the gap between their role players and the Celtics is very large.

The "formula" is to have a team in which....

- Everyone can shoot 3's at a good level (Celtics best shooting team in league)
- Everyone is a 2-way player / high effort on defense / smart on offense
- Everyone is capable of making smart decisions with the ball (even if none of the players, individually, are great passers)

[Diop]

So much for "the big man is back"

Celtics about to win the title playing 6'9 and 6'7 centers

Looks like the real secret sauce is having high level two way players at every position

Denver should be back next year to bring back that narrative.

[JMAC3]

So much for "the big man is back"

Celtics about to win the title playing 6'9 and 6'7 centers

Looks like the real secret sauce is having high level two way players at every position

Denver should be back next year to bring back that narrative.

Idk Denver needs to get more depth before I consider them a real contender again.

[JustBuzzin]

So much for "the big man is back"

Celtics about to win the title playing 6'9 and 6'7 centers

Looks like the real secret sauce is having high level two way players at every position

Denver should be back next year to bring back that narrative.

Denver is over hyped. People want them to be a dynasty so bad it's sad.

Memphis is my pick to win the West. They are low-key just as deep as the Celtics. They dealt with a lot of injuries last season. Those guys are all back.

Center is the only weakness and they likely will address that this off-season.

[Bassman]

Boston’s team + stars makeup isn’t all that different from other champions, but is molded into today’s NBA style. As said previously, EVERYBODY can shoot well or effectively, EVERYBODY plays good defense. I would add experience into the equation as well…these guys have played the game and together enough to solidify the chemistry.

Our Hornets made an important set of deals to get better depth, so we need to build on that. Mann, Micic and Williams are IMO core to a playoff team. Betrays has a utility but should be dealt as part of a trade to obtain a better/stronger big. NSJ’s ability to contribute is still TBD. Add a GREAT pic perfect for this team (sheer luck likely to determine that one) and excellent health for our walking wounded. Sign Miles or do a S&T for a good starting PF.

How do we then compare to Boston? Not there yet, but with time, health and some luck maybe Coach Lee can weave his magic formula here.

[MasterIchiro]

I think Hurley's rejection of LeBron and the Lakers puts added pressure on them to upgrade their roster. I predict they will pursue Trae Young.

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[JMAC3]

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Lol what is he supposed to say? This is the only answer he can say

[MasterIchiro]

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Lol what is he supposed to say? This is the only answer he can say

What 2 straight championships are not sufficient leverage?

The Lakers came to him. He's free to negotiate before his contract becomes official with UConn. The governor of the state of Connecticut publicly announced he will see to it Hurley is the highest paid coach in college.

The highest state official.

When that guy is on your side, really think you need the Lakers to boost your position?

[JMAC3]

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Lol what is he supposed to say? This is the only answer he can say

What 2 straight championships are not sufficient leverage?

The Lakers came to him. He's free to negotiate before his contract becomes official with UConn. The governor of the state of Connecticut publicly announced he will see to it Hurley is the highest paid coach in college.

The highest state official.

When that guy is on your side, really think you need the Lakers to boost your position?

I am saying...... if it was for leverage he is never admitting it lol..

[MasterIchiro]

Lol what is he supposed to say? This is the only answer he can say

What 2 straight championships are not sufficient leverage?

The Lakers came to him. He's free to negotiate before his contract becomes official with UConn. The governor of the state of Connecticut publicly announced he will see to it Hurley is the highest paid coach in college.

The highest state official.

When that guy is on your side, really think you need the Lakers to boost your position?

I am saying...... if it was for leverage he is never admitting it lol..

Apparently not, he thinks it's one of the worst takes he's ever heard. Pretty clear denouncement of your theory.