OMFKG! The Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Thread II

[Elden Payton]

I thoroughly look forward to our first pre season game to see that jumper. I don't care if he shoots an air ball as long as it looks like a normal jump shot.

People on the GB etc say that he's a bust and Tony Allen etc. but a 6-7, 232 version of Tony Allen, who is a coaches pet, model professional that can guard 1-4 and instantly make any team a defensive juggernaut is a player that any coach and FO would love to have.

MKG already is a better player than Tony Allen at 20 years old, if the jumper never improves, then we have the best role player in the league, if it does, he's an all-star and a guy you can build around on both ends of the court.

His jumper has to improve. It can't get any worse. This is also off topic but people say how we should have taken Drummond over him, and I think Drummond is totally overrated. He is a piss poor defender, but an incredible rebounder though. Hes still only 20 or so, but a Dwight Howard he definitely is not in my opinion.

Drummond is the second most valuable prospect in the league behind Davis omo, he is overrated due to hype at this point but he's destined for great things if he continues on his trajectory.

I definitely agree that his defense is overrated but only because people annoint him as a defensive juggernaut, but no one mentions a guy like Favors who is twice the defender.

[Liver_Pooty]

People on the GB etc say that he's a bust and Tony Allen etc. but a 6-7, 232 version of Tony Allen, who is a coaches pet, model professional that can guard 1-4 and instantly make any team a defensive juggernaut is a player that any coach and FO would love to have.

MKG already is a better player than Tony Allen at 20 years old, if the jumper never improves, then we have the best role player in the league, if it does, he's an all-star and a guy you can build around on both ends of the court.

His jumper has to improve. It can't get any worse. This is also off topic but people say how we should have taken Drummond over him, and I think Drummond is totally overrated. He is a piss poor defender, but an incredible rebounder though. Hes still only 20 or so, but a Dwight Howard he definitely is not in my opinion.

Drummond is the second most valuable prospect in the league behind Davis omo, he is overrated due to hype at this point but he's destined for great things if he continues on his trajectory.

I definitely agree that his defense is overrated but only because people annoint him as a defensive juggernaut, but no one mentions a guy like Favors who is twice the defender.

I think Favors is a beast. I loved watching Jefferson frustrate the hell out of Drummond last season. Drummond is one incredible rebounder though, that is one area that he is outstanding at.

[JDR720]

Al roasted and toasted Drummond everytime we played them

[Elden Payton]

His jumper has to improve. It can't get any worse. This is also off topic but people say how we should have taken Drummond over him, and I think Drummond is totally overrated. He is a piss poor defender, but an incredible rebounder though. Hes still only 20 or so, but a Dwight Howard he definitely is not in my opinion.

Drummond is the second most valuable prospect in the league behind Davis omo, he is overrated due to hype at this point but he's destined for great things if he continues on his trajectory.

I definitely agree that his defense is overrated but only because people annoint him as a defensive juggernaut, but no one mentions a guy like Favors who is twice the defender.

I think Favors is a beast. I loved watching Jefferson frustrate the hell out of Drummond last season. Drummond is one incredible rebounder though, that is one area that he is outstanding at.

Favors is a good example of how to develop a project imo, give them a short leash in game and make them earn every minute, work on the finer points of their game and unleash them year 3-4.

Favors whilst not having shown what he can do got 4/50 and with the charity being handed out right now that looks a bargain.

[Liver_Pooty]

Drummond is the second most valuable prospect in the league behind Davis omo, he is overrated due to hype at this point but he's destined for great things if he continues on his trajectory.

I definitely agree that his defense is overrated but only because people annoint him as a defensive juggernaut, but no one mentions a guy like Favors who is twice the defender.

I think Favors is a beast. I loved watching Jefferson frustrate the hell out of Drummond last season. Drummond is one incredible rebounder though, that is one area that he is outstanding at.

Favors is a good example of how to develop a project imo, give them a short leash in game and make them earn every minute, work on the finer points of their game and unleash them year 3-4.

Favors whilst not having shown what he can do got 4/50 and with the charity being handed out right now that looks a bargain.

I think they dropped the ball on Kanter though. That kid has a ton of talent.

[Elden Payton]

Kanter is an awesome prospect too.

I think our team has managed to screw up prospect development enough times to eventually get it right.

[TheKingofSting2]

Kanter is an awesome prospect too.

I think our team has managed to screw up prospect development enough times to eventually get it right.

We just need to trade for Kanter and have some old Bobcats towels somewhere on the bench, dude would be a 20-20 machine.

[Elden Payton]

Kanter is an awesome prospect too.

I think our team has managed to screw up prospect development enough times to eventually get it right.

We just need to trade for Kanter and have some old Bobcats towels somewhere on the bench, dude would be a 20-20 machine.

It's going to take a team to build around him specifically to get the most out of him, for that reason I wouldn't want to give up the assets it would take to get him.

Hell of a prospect though, no doubt.

[LamarMatic7]

MKG already is a better player than Tony Allen at 20 years old, if the jumper never improves, then we have the best role player in the league, if it does, he's an all-star and a guy you can build around on both ends of the court.

I don't know whether you compared him to Tony Allen, period, or a 20-year-old Tony Allen but either way.. Allen does have one skill that MKG should have as they both are the same type of player. TA can have great games on offense simply because of his cutting, lay-ins off offensive rebounds and general aggression. MKG doesn't yet score 15+ points every now and then simply on cuts and fast-breaks. Allen is a master at that.

[UNCNYC]

I heard MKG is improving as a shooter and his form is starting to change a lot. That would be huge for us because thats all his game is lacking

[ball teacher]

MKG already is a better player than Tony Allen at 20 years old, if the jumper never improves, then we have the best role player in the league, if it does, he's an all-star and a guy you can build around on both ends of the court.

I don't know whether you compared him to Tony Allen, period, or a 20-year-old Tony Allen but either way.. Allen does have one skill that MKG should have as they both are the same type of player. TA can have great games on offense simply because of his cutting, lay-ins off offensive rebounds and general aggression. MKG doesn't yet score 15+ points every now and then simply on cuts and fast-breaks. Allen is a master at that.

MKG's role on offense was to not be in the way (keep the spacing) and to camp outside to not disrupt the other players offense. The guy knows how to play the game, he knows how to cut and and how to get to open lanes. But we don't have a pass first PG, and we have told MKG he's a offensive liability. Had he ever been given a chance to just play he could've averaged 15 ppg this year with about 7 rebounds very easily, but we didn't include him in the offense nor did we really play him in the 4th quarters of games. Essentially whatever MKG's ppg stats were, are points he usually got in one half of play before being frozen out and benched later. MKG is gonna be a stud but it probably wont be with us and coach Cliff who coaches a system, not players.

[LamarMatic7]

MKG already is a better player than Tony Allen at 20 years old, if the jumper never improves, then we have the best role player in the league, if it does, he's an all-star and a guy you can build around on both ends of the court.

I don't know whether you compared him to Tony Allen, period, or a 20-year-old Tony Allen but either way.. Allen does have one skill that MKG should have as they both are the same type of player. TA can have great games on offense simply because of his cutting, lay-ins off offensive rebounds and general aggression. MKG doesn't yet score 15+ points every now and then simply on cuts and fast-breaks. Allen is a master at that.

MKG's role on offense was to not be in the way (keep the spacing) and to camp outside to not disrupt the other players offense. The guy knows how to play the game, he knows how to cut and and how to get to open lanes. But we don't have a pass first PG, and we have told MKG he's a offensive liability. Had he ever been given a chance to just play he could've averaged 15 ppg this year with about 7 rebounds very easily, but we didn't include him in the offense nor did we really play him in the 4th quarters of games. Essentially whatever MKG's ppg stats were, are points he usually got in one half of play before being frozen out and benched later. MKG is gonna be a stud but it probably wont be with us and coach Cliff who coaches a system, not players.

Alright... that's just a ludicrous post. I can't even get into this if you're claiming that "he could've averaged 15 ppg this year with about 7 rebounds very easily".

[Elden Payton]

MKG already is a better player than Tony Allen at 20 years old, if the jumper never improves, then we have the best role player in the league, if it does, he's an all-star and a guy you can build around on both ends of the court.

I don't know whether you compared him to Tony Allen, period, or a 20-year-old Tony Allen but either way.. Allen does have one skill that MKG should have as they both are the same type of player. TA can have great games on offense simply because of his cutting, lay-ins off offensive rebounds and general aggression. MKG doesn't yet score 15+ points every now and then simply on cuts and fast-breaks. Allen is a master at that.

TA broke out at 28 years old, I'm pretty sure MKG has him covered at the same age.

I'm just saying that his worse case scenario is not that bad at all.

[ball teacher]

I don't know whether you compared him to Tony Allen, period, or a 20-year-old Tony Allen but either way.. Allen does have one skill that MKG should have as they both are the same type of player. TA can have great games on offense simply because of his cutting, lay-ins off offensive rebounds and general aggression. MKG doesn't yet score 15+ points every now and then simply on cuts and fast-breaks. Allen is a master at that.

MKG's role on offense was to not be in the way (keep the spacing) and to camp outside to not disrupt the other players offense. The guy knows how to play the game, he knows how to cut and and how to get to open lanes. But we don't have a pass first PG, and we have told MKG he's a offensive liability. Had he ever been given a chance to just play he could've averaged 15 ppg this year with about 7 rebounds very easily, but we didn't include him in the offense nor did we really play him in the 4th quarters of games. Essentially whatever MKG's ppg stats were, are points he usually got in one half of play before being frozen out and benched later. MKG is gonna be a stud but it probably wont be with us and coach Cliff who coaches a system, not players.

Alright... that's just a ludicrous post. I can't even get into this if you're claiming that "he could've averaged 15 ppg this year with about 7 rebounds very easily".

He averaged 7 and 5 this year and he barely touched the ball in the 2nd half of games, let alone played in the 4th quarter of games. Of course he can get 15 easy. Your really sleeping on this guy. When I say he knows how to play, I'm saying he's a smart player who knows how to play properly. He was muzzled this year, he almost shot 300 more times his rookie year than this year, and I'm sure he played more minutes that year also. A matter of fact, all of his numbers dropped this year except his fg% which was only 2 percentage points higher. This guy shouldve gotten 15 and 7 this year had we not cheated him, nobody can make me feel different about that.

[JDR720]

MKG averaged 12pts per 36mins and that is without a decent jumpshot and being put in the "shame corner" on offense, i think he could average close to 15 pretty easily if his jumpshot is at least average (or close to it) and he was involved in the offense

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Too much focus on his jumper. Does anyone doubt that a team like the Mavericks wouldn't have found a way to maximize his talents instead of trying to force him into a role on offense that he was poorly suited for?

Yeah a good jumper would really have helped him on any team ... but it was necessary on this team only because of Clifford and his inflexibility. Let MKG play a slashing role like D Wade and he would have blossomed. I'm with Ball Teacher on this.

Cliff really did wonders for the guys like Al and McBob that suit his system but he really hurt MKG.

[Liver_Pooty]

Too much focus on his jumper. Does anyone doubt that a team like the Mavericks wouldn't have found a way to maximize his talents instead of trying to force him into a role on offense that he was poorly suited for?

Yeah a good jumper would really have helped him on any team ... but it was necessary on this team only because of Clifford and his inflexibility. Let MKG play a slashing role like D Wade and he would have blossomed. I'm with Ball Teacher on this.

Cliff really did wonders for the guys like Al and McBob that suit his system but he really hurt MKG.

MKG really isn't even that good of a slasher yet either in my opinion. Has a hard time finishing plays. I think this is mainly because defenders don't respect his jumper enough and play 10 feet off of him for the drive. Thats why getting an average jumper is so imperative for him. It would open up so many more avenues for him.

[LamarMatic7]

MKG already is a better player than Tony Allen at 20 years old, if the jumper never improves, then we have the best role player in the league, if it does, he's an all-star and a guy you can build around on both ends of the court.

I don't know whether you compared him to Tony Allen, period, or a 20-year-old Tony Allen but either way.. Allen does have one skill that MKG should have as they both are the same type of player. TA can have great games on offense simply because of his cutting, lay-ins off offensive rebounds and general aggression. MKG doesn't yet score 15+ points every now and then simply on cuts and fast-breaks. Allen is a master at that.

TA broke out at 28 years old, I'm pretty sure MKG has him covered at the same age.

I'm just saying that his worse case scenario is not that bad at all.

Of course. It simply should happen with MKG some day as well. Him not learning how to fully utilize his cuts would be very disappointing and underwhelming.

[Liver_Pooty]

If MKG's peak is just being a Tony Allen at the 3 spot than it will be severely disappointing. Allen is a hell of a defender, and can hit the corner 3, but MKG better end up being exponentially better than him. He has the physical tools to do so.

[LamarMatic7]

MKG's role on offense was to not be in the way (keep the spacing) and to camp outside to not disrupt the other players offense. The guy knows how to play the game, he knows how to cut and and how to get to open lanes. But we don't have a pass first PG, and we have told MKG he's a offensive liability. Had he ever been given a chance to just play he could've averaged 15 ppg this year with about 7 rebounds very easily, but we didn't include him in the offense nor did we really play him in the 4th quarters of games. Essentially whatever MKG's ppg stats were, are points he usually got in one half of play before being frozen out and benched later. MKG is gonna be a stud but it probably wont be with us and coach Cliff who coaches a system, not players.

Alright... that's just a ludicrous post. I can't even get into this if you're claiming that "he could've averaged 15 ppg this year with about 7 rebounds very easily".

He averaged 7 and 5 this year and he barely touched the ball in the 2nd half of games, let alone played in the 4th quarter of games. Of course he can get 15 easy. Your really sleeping on this guy. When I say he knows how to play, I'm saying he's a smart player who knows how to play properly. He was muzzled this year, he almost shot 300 more times his rookie year than this year, and I'm sure he played more minutes that year also. A matter of fact, all of his numbers dropped this year except his fg% which was only 2 percentage points higher. This guy shouldve gotten 15 and 7 this year had we not cheated him, nobody can make me feel different about that.

I am not seeing what you are. The guy doesn't know how to score in the post against smaller defenders/back-up PGs (that's evidenced by hard facts, his pathetic points per possession and I think I already posted a clip of it some time back), he can have trouble getting by players when they offer him those few feet of open space, he doesn't really score from cuts all that much and from time to time he'll have trouble finishing at the rim as well.

15ppg is a really big number. In the last 10 years, only five wing players have averaged this in a season without shooting threes. Dwyane Wade, Grant Hill, Luol Deng, DeMar DeRozan and Desmond Mason. Obviously, those guys have their particular gifts on offense and at least are way more competent from the mid-range than MKG.

I just can't see such an offensive liability averaging 15 in today's league. And this isn't just about three point shot, let's not pretend that he is some poor kid who can do everything but bad, old coach Cliff has him standing in the corner because he can't shoot threes. He has to develop in other parts of the offensive game as well.