Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[RevolDas]

Lin's performance 1/4 into the season I can only grade it as a solid bench player, which is a lot less than what I expected out of him considering what he has shown before and this being the contract year. He will still has his place in the league if he stays this way, but it might not be with the Hornet next season especially if we go deep into the playoff. Unless he would take another 2 mil a year deal.

[bws94]

Considering how deep this team is, what more is expected of Lin? He's coming off of the bench, what more can he do? He's still learning his team and coach and from where I sit, he sure was more integrated into the offense the past 3 games than earlier in the season. He can explode into Kings OT play but he'll pick his spots. The majority of scoring is done by Kemba and Batum, then Lamb, and then it balances out. He can be number 2 facilitator after Batum, however. He just has to calm down in places, not force it. He has the dribble/drive/dish skills, just has to pace himself right.

[TTNN]

Considering how deep this team is, what more is expected of Lin? He's coming off of the bench, what more can he do? He's still learning his team and coach and from where I sit, he sure was more integrated into the offense the past 3 games than earlier in the season. He can explode into Kings OT play but he'll pick his spots. The majority of scoring is done by Kemba and Batum, then Lamb, and then it balances out. He can be number 2 facilitator after Batum, however. He just has to calm down in places, not force it. He has the dribble/drive/dish skills, just has to pace himself right.

He sure is less integrated into the offense compare to the first three games of the season, or the first 5 games maybe?

He is not the option for scoring, and not the option for facilitator either. He is like the band-aid that only used when needed. He is currently in the team with the least defined role, and the most likely to be affected when the team has any changes.

[bws94]

TTNN, his role is actually very well defined. He is the 2nd unit PG and the defensive "small" guard and the off guard when Kemba is in the game. He is the 3rd option facilitator when on the floor with Kemba and Batum, Batum is the first and Kemba starts the offense. But Batum is looking for Lin more with each game, that's why I say he is more integrated into the offense recently. Batum has become the defacto player the offense flows through. Lin's prepared to close quarters and games because his number is often called to do so.

He'll be more of an option to score when he gets his jump shot falling. He really hasn't had many efficient games (games like he has FG to FGA like in preseason).

I think he's a very important part of the team actually. He may not be irreplaceable like Batum, but he's relied on for defense, hustle, and breaking down defenses to get guys shots. His alley oops and transition game will be further utilized, guys on his team like Lamb and Batum are figuring that out.

[tmonk]

Lin's performance 1/4 into the season I can only grade it as a solid bench player, which is a lot less than what I expected out of him considering what he has shown before and this being the contract year. He will still has his place in the league if he stays this way, but it might not be with the Hornet next season especially if we go deep into the playoff. Unless he would take another 2 mil a year deal.

Lin is key to make our team reaching playoffs, but he would'nt be major factor to win playoffs. Since Lin is good bench PG, I think hornets will still keep him next season even the team go deep into playoff. If we want to win playoffs games, we need to do some changes at 1st team. hope trading Al would make some difference.

[13th Man]

TTNN, his role is actually very well defined. He is the 2nd unit PG and the defensive "small" guard and the off guard when Kemba is in the game. He is the 3rd option facilitator when on the floor with Kemba and Batum, Batum is the first and Kemba starts the offense. But Batum is looking for Lin more with each game, that's why I say he is more integrated into the offense recently. Batum has become the defacto player the offense flows through. Lin's prepared to close quarters and games because his number is often called to do so.

He'll be more of an option to score when he gets his jump shot falling. He really hasn't had many efficient games (games like he has FG to FGA like in preseason).

I think he's a very important part of the team actually. He may not be irreplaceable like Batum, but he's relied on for defense, hustle, and breaking down defenses to get guys shots. His alley oops and transition game will be further utilized, guys on his team like Lamb and Batum are figuring that out.

This team is really starting to gel with good chemistry so I don't have an issue with his current role, even if it's 50% pg, 50% sg. Clifford has noticeably made additional adjustments the last couple of games to make him more part of the team so that's good to see. He's been subbing in a tad earlier, getting subbed off for Walker again but then subbed in for Lamb before the end of the halves. While Lin hasn't played terribly he needs to start hitting his shots and make the most of his opportunities. I agree that he's become quite an important player on this team though due to his versatility so because of this he has to make adjustments to his game as well to adapt to the team's flow. If he starts making his shots, the team's golden

[RevolDas]

To be honest the team right now might be good enough to go into 2nd round of the playoff, but do you really think we can go into or win the Eastern final with our current roster? And if we do stopped at the 2nd round, I bet that there will be more pressure on some roster change in the hope of going further. Al and PJ are the two most in question in my opinion. Al doesn't fit with our new direction as a team, and PJ is just the weakest link in the starting line up. After them on the bench, Lamb has just signning a multi years deal and fit as a 6th man role, Frank is the future to be groom, Lin will be in the hot seat if we need to clear the cap space further and he continues with his current performance. Not saying he's been bad, but he will become the least valuable piece and the resource can be used somewhere else to acquire someone who can provide more, say a SG who shots over 40% 3pt.

[cw3k]

The ultimate goal is win game, not personal stats.

Look at Iguodala's stats. Are you going to say he is not an important piece to GSW's success?

[13th Man]

To be honest the team right now might be good enough to go into 2nd round of the playoff, but do you really think we can go into or win the Eastern final with our current roster? And if we do stopped at the 2nd round, I bet that there will be more pressure on some roster change in the hope of going further. Al and PJ are the two most in question in my opinion. Al doesn't fit with our new direction as a team, and PJ is just the weakest link in the starting line up. After them on the bench, Lamb has just signning a multi years deal and fit as a 6th man role, Frank is the future to be groom, Lin will be in the hot seat if we need to clear the cap space further and he continues with his current performance. Not saying he's been bad, but he will become the least valuable piece and the resource can be used somewhere else to acquire someone who can provide more, say a SG who shots over 40% 3pt.

Lin hasn't been impressive but he's a piece that fits nicely into the team's puzzle right now. I don't mind PJ because he doesn't try to do too much, he's a good filler to support the main weapons in the starting unit until Lamb comes in. Sometimes when you have too many options, it might take away from the team dynamics. Al is definitely an issue, hopefully we can trade him for someone more fitting to this team.

I'm honestly not concerned about Lin next year, his only focus should be to help the team win this season and things will work out if he does.

[Teddyb]

To be honest the team right now might be good enough to go into 2nd round of the playoff, but do you really think we can go into or win the Eastern final with our current roster? And if we do stopped at the 2nd round, I bet that there will be more pressure on some roster change in the hope of going further. Al and PJ are the two most in question in my opinion. Al doesn't fit with our new direction as a team, and PJ is just the weakest link in the starting line up. After them on the bench, Lamb has just signning a multi years deal and fit as a 6th man role, Frank is the future to be groom, Lin will be in the hot seat if we need to clear the cap space further and he continues with his current performance. Not saying he's been bad, but he will become the least valuable piece and the resource can be used somewhere else to acquire someone who can provide more, say a SG who shots over 40% 3pt.

Lin hasn't been impressive but he's a piece that fits nicely into the team's puzzle right now. I don't mind PJ because he doesn't try to do too much, he's a good filler to support the main weapons in the starting unit until Lamb comes in. Sometimes when you have too many options, it might take away from the team dynamics. Al is definitely an issue, hopefully we can trade him for someone more fitting to this team.

I'm honestly not concerned about Lin next year, his only focus should be to help the team win this season and things will work out if he does.

Lin is playing well....low TO's, nice passes...plays some d.....hes just not shooting well....hes shooting at 30% from 3....career low. 410 from the field.....a new low for a 5 year period. And they are good shots....hes not forcing things. This is not good BUT I would expect that this will go up. If it doesn't.....bot a good thing for him and for the Hornets. They are going to need Lin to be more consistent.

Again I think he's playing pretty well. I thought he was good last night. Just not shooting very well

[RevolDas]

To be honest the team right now might be good enough to go into 2nd round of the playoff, but do you really think we can go into or win the Eastern final with our current roster? And if we do stopped at the 2nd round, I bet that there will be more pressure on some roster change in the hope of going further. Al and PJ are the two most in question in my opinion. Al doesn't fit with our new direction as a team, and PJ is just the weakest link in the starting line up. After them on the bench, Lamb has just signning a multi years deal and fit as a 6th man role, Frank is the future to be groom, Lin will be in the hot seat if we need to clear the cap space further and he continues with his current performance. Not saying he's been bad, but he will become the least valuable piece and the resource can be used somewhere else to acquire someone who can provide more, say a SG who shots over 40% 3pt.

Lin hasn't been impressive but he's a piece that fits nicely into the team's puzzle right now. I don't mind PJ because he doesn't try to do too much, he's a good filler to support the main weapons in the starting unit until Lamb comes in. Sometimes when you have too many options, it might take away from the team dynamics. Al is definitely an issue, hopefully we can trade him for someone more fitting to this team.

I'm honestly not concerned about Lin next year, his only focus should be to help the team win this season and things will work out if he does.

You're right, as long as the team is winning I wouldn't care if he is doing good or not. And we are doing really good right now.

[JDR720]

To be honest the team right now might be good enough to go into 2nd round of the playoff, but do you really think we can go into or win the Eastern final with our current roster? And if we do stopped at the 2nd round, I bet that there will be more pressure on some roster change in the hope of going further. Al and PJ are the two most in question in my opinion. Al doesn't fit with our new direction as a team, and PJ is just the weakest link in the starting line up. After them on the bench, Lamb has just signning a multi years deal and fit as a 6th man role, Frank is the future to be groom, Lin will be in the hot seat if we need to clear the cap space further and he continues with his current performance. Not saying he's been bad, but he will become the least valuable piece and the resource can be used somewhere else to acquire someone who can provide more, say a SG who shots over 40% 3pt.

considering this team has never won a playoff game, i think most fans would be very happy with getting into the 2nd round.

[13th Man]

To be honest the team right now might be good enough to go into 2nd round of the playoff, but do you really think we can go into or win the Eastern final with our current roster? And if we do stopped at the 2nd round, I bet that there will be more pressure on some roster change in the hope of going further. Al and PJ are the two most in question in my opinion. Al doesn't fit with our new direction as a team, and PJ is just the weakest link in the starting line up. After them on the bench, Lamb has just signning a multi years deal and fit as a 6th man role, Frank is the future to be groom, Lin will be in the hot seat if we need to clear the cap space further and he continues with his current performance. Not saying he's been bad, but he will become the least valuable piece and the resource can be used somewhere else to acquire someone who can provide more, say a SG who shots over 40% 3pt.

Lin hasn't been impressive but he's a piece that fits nicely into the team's puzzle right now. I don't mind PJ because he doesn't try to do too much, he's a good filler to support the main weapons in the starting unit until Lamb comes in. Sometimes when you have too many options, it might take away from the team dynamics. Al is definitely an issue, hopefully we can trade him for someone more fitting to this team.

I'm honestly not concerned about Lin next year, his only focus should be to help the team win this season and things will work out if he does.

Lin is playing well....low TO's, nice passes...plays some d.....hes just not shooting well....hes shooting at 30% from 3....career low. 410 from the field.....a new low for a 5 year period. And they are good shots....hes not forcing things. This is not good BUT I would expect that this will go up. If it doesn't.....bot a good thing for him and for the Hornets. They are going to need Lin to be more consistent.

Again I think he's playing pretty well. I thought he was good last night. Just not shooting very well

Yeah, I could be overly harsh on him. He's definitely improved on 2 areas of weakness that previous fanbases accused him of; shoddy defense and stopping his dribble in the air with nobody to pass to. Most of his TO's this year have been due to handles (which he still needs to improve on), but he's tightened up some of the other stuff.

[gafun]

If you look the lineups performance or On/Off team stats, Lin's overall impact is in top 5 of the team. His strong defense (force TOs, keep top opponent Gs in low FG%) would not show in the individual stats. I think he will getting better on his fg% sooner or later.


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[fatlever]

I think for so long Lin has been judged by his fans and detractors by his offensive output. Now he has a new role that is more about defending, spacing the floor, being versatile and keeping the ball moving. Everyone should be stoked by how Lin is showing the ability to play well in different roles. He is evolving as a player and frankly the player he is showing this season, is someone that probably carries more value to a playoff team than Lin of previous years. Not many teams want to run an offense that put so much into the hands of one player to score and create, like Lin was doing in NYC. Now teams want to defend the perimeter, space the floor with shooters and zip the ball around and not have it stick in any one player's hands for too long. Lin is looking great for the new NBA in this regard. Its not all about those old school stats of points, assists and rebounds anymore.

[RevolDas]

I've go to say, after following Lin for all these years, you guys are really a bunch of rational fans compare to the mess I witnessed back when he was with the Rocket. The Love Hate for him is so out of the world on some of those forums. I'm really glad he has finally found a team and fanbase that sees him for who he is.

That being said, his now improved defense might not be as effective as it would seem. One reason being that he plays PG only when Kemba is not on. And During this period of time often there are only him and Lamb can be real scoring threat. And when Kemba is on with him he then plays SG which place him at a disadvantage guarding other bigger SG. This is by no mean indicate that his defense is not important. It is, but so should be his offense ability. Be it 3pt shot, go to the rim, draw fouls or floaters all still to have lots to be desired. He is doing ok for now, but I wouldn't say he's doing great at all.

[bws94]

There is a feeling by some long-time Lin observers that he may not be right physically. He doesn't seem to have his usual speed and explosiveness on drives or quickness around the rim. His jump shot may be hampered by whatever it is that is bothering him. He just physically isn't the Lin that blows by so many defenders with that first step right now. He's still kind of fast, but not Lin fast.

I agree with fatlever. Lin is playing within a team concept of contributing what's needed. Some of these aren't on the stat sheets and he's contributing well in individual and team defense. I think he'll have his Kings OT moments for sure and mid 20s or more scoring games down the road. But for now, he's doing a little more Lin stuff with Kemba/Batum and less bad Lin stuff like getting reckless when he's not with them and is main facilitator. He handled a trap nicely yesterday that last season may have had him turn it over. He's ok.

[ChokeFasncists]

I've go to say, after following Lin for all these years, you guys are really a bunch of rational fans compare to the mess I witnessed back when he was with the Rocket. The Love Hate for him is so out of the world on some of those forums. I'm really glad he has finally found a team and fanbase that sees him for who he is.

The fact that there is still a crowded hate thread going on over there is a testament that they've got some psychological issues.

That being said, his now improved defense might not be as effective as it would seem. One reason being that when he plays PG only when Kemba is not on. And During this period of time often there are only him and Lamb can be real scoring threat. And when Kemba is on with him he then plays SG which place him at a disadvantage guarding other bigger SG. This is by no mean indicate that his defense is not important, it is, but so should be his offense ability. Be it 3pt shot, go to the rim, draw fouls or floaters all still to have lots to be desired. He is doing ok for now, but I wouldn't say he's doing great at all.

What you're saying is good, but this paragraph doesn't completely make sense, might wanna edit it a little bit?

OTOH, IMO he has been doing great against wings bigger than him. It's an excellent ability to have.

[TinmanZBoy]

with the new hair style, Lin has not made a free throw yet... so the nickname of his new hairdo is "missft"...

[Vae Victus]

Just wished he had more freedom to do stuff, its as if he's never proven he's played well before. The way he's playing its like he's some scrub journeymen who has to follow coaches orders to the tee or get yanked. Well.... he's getting paid like one, so i guess it's fitting.