Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[Vae Victus]

Hello all, been awhile since i posted here, been a crappy year for both CHA and Lin sad to say, at least my Lakers won the lotto so thast a HUGE load off our backs.

Clarkson is on the trade block for the Lakers and i wonder if something beneficial for all parties can be done. Mega trade incoming.

CHA trades
Lamb
Sessions
#11

LAL trades
Clarkson
Deng
#27
Future lotto prot 1st (2020 i believe)
3 mil cash

BRK trades
Hamilton
Kilpatrick
#22

CHA receives
Clarkson
Kilpatrick
#22
#27
Future LAL Lotto Prot 2020 1st
3 mil cash

LAL receives
Lamb
Sessions
Hamilton

BRK receives
Deng
#11

This is a shitton of moving parts, but i think everyone involved comes away with something they want. Unless someone u guys love fall to #11, then of course its a non-starter, but if #11 doesnt have anyone enticing, why not cash it in for alot of future goodies.

You guys get a good backup PG/Combo guard in Clarkson who will lead your 2nd unit, Scott Kilpatrick has shown nice flashes in BRK shooting from range very well (had to step in when Lin went down), and only costs 1 mil next year and adds excellent guard depth especially if u dump Bellinelli somewhere. U get cash (who doesnt like cash!), and alot of picks to play with too.

BRK moves waaaaaaaaay up and tries to go for an impact lotto talent while theyre hardcore rebuilding. Deng is a bad contract but #11 is a huge sweetener for them and its not like theyre gonna sign any good FAs, also BRK is going for high character guys so Deng will perfectly fit in with that. Also a solid chance that Deng can turn it around once he slides back to his best position as a stretch 4 in a space and pace offense, so potential retrade possibility here. Deng has no room at PF on the Lakers with both Randle and Nance around, and he's too slow to stick at SF.

LAL doing its damndest to clear 2018 cap space for a future run at multiple FAs. Lamb and Sessions will be placeholder backups as Russell and Ball eat up the lionshare of the guard mins to develop (Clarkson is odd man out in this regard as the starting guards both can play PG too). Hamilton is just expiring salary filler. Lakers giving up that future 1st can be extraordinarily costly (see how the Nash trade **** us), and of course play with the protections as needed.

[SeanBobcats]

Hello all, been awhile since i posted here, been a crappy year for both CHA and Lin sad to say, at least my Lakers won the lotto so thast a HUGE load off our backs.

Clarkson is on the trade block for the Lakers and i wonder if something beneficial for all parties can be done. Mega trade incoming.

CHA trades
Lamb
Sessions
#11

LAL trades
Clarkson
Deng
#27
Future lotto prot 1st (2020 i believe)
3 mil cash

BRK trades
Hamilton
Kilpatrick
#22

CHA receives
Clarkson
Kilpatrick
#22
#27
Future LAL Lotto Prot 2020 1st
3 mil cash

LAL receives
Lamb
Sessions
Hamilton

BRK receives
Deng
#11

This is a **** of moving parts, but i think everyone involved comes away with something they want. Unless someone u guys love fall to #11, then of course its a non-starter, but if #11 doesnt have anyone enticing, why not cash it in for alot of future goodies.

You guys get a good backup PG/Combo guard in Clarkson who will lead your 2nd unit, Scott Kilpatrick has shown nice flashes in BRK shooting from range very well (had to step in when Lin went down), and only costs 1 mil next year and adds excellent guard depth especially if u dump Bellinelli somewhere. U get cash (who doesnt like cash!), and alot of picks to play with too.

BRK moves waaaaaaaaay up and tries to go for an impact lotto talent while theyre hardcore rebuilding. Deng is a bad contract but #11 is a huge sweetener for them and its not like theyre gonna sign any good FAs, also BRK is going for high character guys so Deng will perfectly fit in with that. Also a solid chance that Deng can turn it around once he slides back to his best position as a stretch 4 in a space and pace offense, so potential retrade possibility here. Deng has no room at PF on the Lakers with both Randle and Nance around, and he's too slow to stick at SF.

LAL doing its damndest to clear 2018 cap space for a future run at multiple FAs. Lamb and Sessions will be placeholder backups as Russell and Ball eat up the lionshare of the guard mins to develop (Clarkson is odd man out in this regard as the starting guards both can play PG too). Hamilton is just expiring salary filler. Lakers giving up that future 1st can be extraordinarily costly (see how the Nash trade **** us), and of course play with the protections as needed.

As a Hornets fan I'd do this easily assuming that no one surprising falls. I don't see what LA gets from it though. Giving up all those assets just to get rid of one contract? Not sure what reason they have to even consider this

[JDR720]

Yea I would do that

[Mystical Apples]

Brooklyn
Yes to #11 + Deng's contract. They're not using cap space (or shouldn't be) until he expires or is cheaply dumped (or stretched).

Charlotte
Fairly easy pass for a number of reasons. This doesn't make CHA better and has them flirting with the future luxury tax (and because it's Jordan Clarkson). Clarkson is owed $25M after next season, Lamb and Sessions just $7.5M ....combined. The late 1sts are nice but are staggered and don't close the talent/financial gap.

LAL
Sure, except LAL needs an imminent reason for the salary dumps, like believing a FA target will sign.

[SeanBobcats]

I think it would be a good win now move. Clarkson fits in great as our backup combo guard. Maybe add a wing and rim protector with the next two picks. At least one of the picks would be able to contribute in the rotation immediately

[SeanBobcats]

Lin+22+27 for number 11 and plumlee. Do you guys do it? (lets assume the top 10 goes as expected)

[powerforward]

sean if smith jr is gone I would do that deal.

[Mystical Apples]

The league's 3rd worst team was 4.6 points better without Clarkson. Which begs the question....why are the Lakers shopping him as an upgrade even though Philly owns their 2018 pick?

[Mystical Apples]

Lin+22+27 for number 11 and plumlee. Do you guys do it? (lets assume the top 10 goes as expected)

I'd recommend viewing any deal involving Plumlee as pragmatically neutral for CHA unless it creates future cap flexibility. So no, I'm not letting go of #11 for an expiring contract + (2) picks in the 20's.

Not when the win-now alternative is keeping Plumlee's dead weight and instead rolling 11 + expirings, or #11 + ____ (good Hornet), into a massive current upgrade. Plus, CHA keeps their MLE and Plumlee's emergency services.

The other trade down alternative being something closer to 13 + 20-ish which assumes CHA has 2-3 targets at #11 in mind.

[LofJ]

I like that trade Victus, nice job.

I like it because I really, really want to pick up another first in this draft. I'm negative on the prospect of moving Lamb for Clarkson, but the future 1st pushes me to a yes.

All that said I'd still rather use the 11th pick in a trade down that also brings back an upgrade over Plumlee or Lamb/Bellineli.

[JDR720]

Lamb and 41 to the nets for 27.

[Vae Victus]

Jordan Clarkson is a fine young player with plenty of potential to grow. Why you can ask any Laker fan on how amazing he is and what a huge loss he would be, but cap space is cap space and if using him as part of the bait to dump Deng, then sacrfices must be made.... *snicker*
Jordan Clarkson would make a fine addition to the CHA bench, why he beat out Jeremy Lin the year before and took the starting PG job from him, surely that counts for something. Clarkson > Lin, just ask any Laker fan, and thus Clarkson can easily make a better impact

BRK passes on trading Lin unless its straight up for #10-16. Lin has done a fine job when healthy and the team is so young it needs veteran leadership to get them developing properly (the team with and without him is literal night and day, just look at the stats), unless of course the right price is paid. Lamb isnt enough of an upgrade over the flotsam reclamation brigade to justify trading down, he's no guarantee to beat out the likes of Kilpatrick, Whitehead, Dimwiddie for backup guard mins.

BRK however does counter with BroLo + Kilpatrick (or KJ McDaniel) + #28 for Plumlee + Bellinelli (or Sessions or Lamb)+ #11. They'll eat 2 bad deals to move up, and CHA gets a big man with range, he can play the Big Al role but can space the floor.

[Braggins]

I've heard mostly negative things about Clarkson from LA fans. Its not that they think he is bad or anything, just that he isn't particularly good and if you are expecting him to move the needle he is sort of fools gold. I don't like the idea of trading 11 unless we are getting at least a borderline stud who is fairly young, or we are the ones moving up. I'm not into the Lin trade either. JDR's Lamb trade seems to be pretty fair value. I wouldn't go out of my way to make it happen though unless there is someone available at 27 that the FO really likes.

[Vae Victus]

Ok i'll come clean. Clarkson is **** trash ass player. He was a plucky underdog when he was a 2nd round pick and had some good run when given mins, but the moment his ass got overpaid he turned into a whiny diva who doesnt bother to try on defense. Byron Scott never held him accountable on D (gee but he rode Lin's ass on it) and by the time Walton got his hands on Clarkson the utter lack of **** given on defense has set in. Combined with the chuckery of Lou Will the Lakers went nowhere in one helluva hurry after their strong 10-10 start. With Lou gone most of the players started playing WAAAAY better, now Clarkson has taken Lou's role as the blackhole chucker and his presence on the court has negatively impacted the rest of the lineup (just look at +-).

I find it utterly hilarious how Laker fans say that Clarkson > Lin when its pretty damn clear that Clarkson is a dime a dozen chucker (i'd rate him similar to Lamb) who plays no D. So yea, Laker fans think Clarkson should be able to pull a late lotto pick + expiring, thats how delusional they are.

HOWEVER, alot of his terrible play has come in lieu of being the SG and just chucking. His rookie year he DID look good at PG and was a huge reason why the Lakers didnt bother to bring Lin back, but his massive regression from that and then being overpaid while chucking up empty stats during his contract year just added another nail to the coffin for Mitch Cupcake and lil idjit Jiminy Buss. Not that i have much faith in Jeanie "Cersei" Buss and Magic "ConMan" Johnson.

Me trying to educate my fellow Lakers fans how overrated Clarkson and Randle are and how Deng and Mozgov can rebound to decency if they play in a more team based system, is an exhausting task.

So... who's interested in Clarkson

[fatlever]

I'd take Lin over Clarkson all day, any day.

[yosemiteben]

So basically you came in to fake pump up Clarkson, but were really fishing for Lin compliments?

Weird.

[Snidely FC]

If PHX takes PG at 4 offer PHX MKG for Bledsoe then draft OG?

[LofJ]

If PHX takes PG at 4 offer PHX MKG for Bledsoe then draft OG?

OG is still recovering from his ACL tear in January. If we draft him we will still need someone who can play perimeter defense on this team while he heals and acclimates to the NBA. I'd rather just take him, evaluate him over the next year, and then explore trades for MKG next summer.

[Benjamin Linus]

In most scenarios I'd rather hold on to MKG, but in that case I'd do it. Bledsoe has more value than MKG and OG has more upside. Throw in Lamb and Sesh for Dudley and use him as a stopgap for the next two seasons.

[Braggins]

I think our defense would drop to bottom 10 in the league if we traded MKG for Bledsoe.