The 2013 Trade Thread II

MasterIchiro · Post #1061 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:23 pm

Doc end,

Could we clear 12 M in cap space (and thus absorb Asik + T-Rob) after draft night somehow?

Let's say we move Sessions for a pick that we use to draft a backup like Shroeder. That's about 4.5 M.

Then we draft McLemore and let Henderson walk. Henderson cost 3 M but incoming $$ makes it a wash.

Then we let McRoberts walk because we know we are fixin' to trade for T-Rob. That's 3 M

Subtract Diop and R. Williams and you clear another 10 M.

That's 17.5 M of cap space +/- a couple million for raises.

To me it looks like we could have plenty of money to absorb Asik and T-Rob.

BeesWax · Post #1062 » by **BeesWax** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:35 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Doc end,

Could we clear 12 M in cap space (and thus absorb Asik + T-Rob) after draft night somehow?

Let's say we move Sessions for a pick that we use to draft a backup like Shroeder. That's about 4.5 M.

Then we draft McLemore and let Henderson walk. Henderson cost 3 M but incoming $$ makes it a wash.

Then we let McRoberts walk because we know we are fixin' to trade for T-Rob. That's 3 M

Subtract Diop and R. Williams and you clear another 10 M.

That's 17.5 M of cap space +/- a couple million for raises.

To me it looks like we could have plenty of money to absorb Asik and T-Rob.

We can. Once free agency starts we can turn down our option on Mullens and would have enough room. Since Asik won't be traded unless they are going to get Dwight that will most likely be the route anyway. We don't even have to waste our pick trying to replace someone, we could take anyone and keep our option on Henderson to keep him a RFA. Then take BPA and move from there.

doc.end · Post #1063 » by **doc.end** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:16 pm

Oh and I forgot to post a link to this great summary. Props to Sham! http://www.shamsports.com/2013/06/the-a ... -will.html Check the Houston situation as well.

So Adrien has no guarantee date btw.

It also answers Ichiro's questionbetter than I could do. Unless you, Ichiro, meant whether we could make that capspace before the offseason. That would be very tricky as we can only trade players who are not on last year of non-extendable contract so no trade including Henderson and other FAs (Gordon included) or Haywoos could be done until second week of July. That would leave guys on rookie contracts, Sessions, Adrien and Thomas. So I guess we could but it would probably not be worth the trouble.

MasterIchiro · Post #1064 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:37 pm

Thank you both for your feedback and analysis. Mark me down as for the Hornbobs acquiring a package of Asik and T-Rob to bring Dwight to Houston. We are situated in the East and towards the bottom so we are no threat to Houston. We would both be doing each other a huge favor. Also sign me up for drafting BPA (I hope Cho and the scouts view McLemore as BPA). Kemba-McLemore-MKG-Trob-Biz-Asik-Hendo. That's a great team to roll with. And to think we'll add a 2014 pick of our own in the top 5 most likely plus the DET pick which I think will turn out to be top-1 protected in the 2015 draft.

BeesWax · Post #1065 » by **BeesWax** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:04 pm

For that trade and those who think Biz can play PF think about the defense of Kemba, Oladipo, MKG, Biz and Asik with Robinson, Hendo and Sessions coming of the bench. My favorite pick is still Oladipo but Porter would be a great addition to that team as well. Or start Hendo and bring in Zeller as your offensive big off the bench to run with Biz or play high post with Asik down low. This trade would give us plenty of options no matter who we select.

MasterIchiro · Post #1066 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:14 pm

I agree about the potential for the defense and depth of defense on that team. But my main concern is spacing issues. That's why I much prefer McLemore. He would be surrounded by that defense and depth of defense. And he has good size and hops for rebounding. I think the team would have the right balance of slashing, shooting, defense and great spacing and rebounding and depth. And to add someone like Randall to that team is astonishing, followed by a top 1 protected pick in 2015. I do think McLemore's highlight dunks would add some box office appeal that's hard to find in this draft as well, but that's not a reason to draft him, just a small bonus.

BeesWax · Post #1067 » by **BeesWax** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:27 pm

And from here we would be in the prospects thread. I like the shooting and allround scoring of Oladipo and his ability to play tough. Where I disagree the most is a top five pick. If we got Oladipo/McLemore plus Robinson and Asik we would not be a bottom five team next year. Henderson and Oladipo are a better combo at SG than what we have had add to that a better MKG and Biz plus Asik to Kemba and we are no longer at the bottom of the NBA. Robinson makes our big bench better with McBob and we still have Sessions. I mean it would be a 10 man rotation of Kemba, Hendo, MKG, Biz, Asik, Sessions, Oladipo, Taylor, McBob, and Robinson. That team is better than a number of other squads.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1068 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:38 pm

I keep seeing people saying were going to have a top 5 pick next year, and I highly disagree. After our draft, and a half decent free agent signing I can only assume that MKG, Biyombo, and Walker will continue to get better. I can easily see us in the 7-10 range.

MasterIchiro · Post #1069 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:46 pm

In theory when you add the amount of talent we could add in #4, Asik and T-Rob or something similar, we would experience an addition of wins reflective of the level of talent added. But another issue with improving beyond competition (who will also be adding picks and signing players and seeing improvements of existing young players on their roster) is finding the right mix of guys to play together and giving them time to grow as a unit and play together as a team. You could have a talented team for a couple years before it really starts to reflect in wins and drastically impact draft position year-to-year. At some point when your team is really gelling and your stars mature and you have the right mix of them, you vault in the standings and your draft status changes. I don't think we're there yet. In spite of what we could add, I'd say that core still needs to play together for 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 before we see the Hornbobs escape the bottom. It won't happen overnight but if planning is done well when it does happen it will be pretty significant and drastic. OKC had a stockpile of talent for 2-3 years before they exploded. It didn't happen overnight for those who were paying attention. The team added talent but needed time to evolve. We're bottom 5.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1070 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:42 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:In theory when you add the amount of talent we could add in #4, Asik and T-Rob or something similar, we would experience an addition of wins reflective of the level of talent added. But another issue with improving beyond competition (who will also be adding picks and signing players and seeing improvements of existing young players on their roster) is finding the right mix of guys to play together and giving them time to grow as a unit and play together as a team. You could have a talented team for a couple years before it really starts to reflect in wins and drastically impact draft position year-to-year. At some point when your team is really gelling and your stars mature and you have the right mix of them, you vault in the standings and your draft status changes. I don't think we're there yet. In spite of what we could add, I'd say that core still needs to play together for 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 before we see the Hornbobs escape the bottom. It won't happen overnight but if planning is done well when it does happen it will be pretty significant and drastic. OKC had a stockpile of talent for 2-3 years before they exploded. It didn't happen overnight for those who were paying attention. The team added talent but needed time to evolve. We're bottom 5.

I'll save this for when were picking 6th next year

Eoghan · Post #1071 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:52 pm

Not bringing back Hendo, McBob, and Mullens and adding Asik and T-Rob would probably deliver a substantial blow to team chemistry. That's a lot of roster turnover.

Post #1072 » by **Diop** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:01 am

the awesome team chemistry that got a coach fired after one season?

Eoghan · Post #1073 » by **Eoghan** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:18 am

Sachmo wrote:the awesome team chemistry that got a coach fired after one season?

Coach got himself fired. Chemistry had nothing to do with that. Besides, I didn't say our chemistry was great last year anyway. I'm just stating a pretty much accepted fact that you can't keep moving lots of pieces around and expect chemistry to improve. These are people, not NBA 2k. If we do all this trading and drafting like folks are speculating, then the FO is decidedly not trying to get better in the short term.

Post #1074 » by **Diop** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:23 am

I thought he killed chemistry with his over bearing ways which lead to his dismissal?

Liver_Pooty · Post #1075 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:43 am

Sachmo wrote:the awesome team chemistry that got a coach fired after one season?

You treat players like they're sophomores playing for UNC-Asheville and hold 4 hour practices the chemistry will go down quickly.

Eoghan · Post #1076 » by **Eoghan** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:29 pm

Making all the players hate you is not the same thing as ruining chemistry. The team's chemistry was united in their hate of Dumblap.

Jajwanda · Post #1077 » by **Jajwanda** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:13 am

Underrated possibility: LAC trying to dump DeAndre Jordan and Caron Butler while dealing Blake Griffin for a high pick+TPE to sign Dwight Howard. Any interest from Charlotte in any of those pieces?

BeesWax · Post #1078 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:42 am

Jajwanda wrote:Underrated possibility: LAC trying to dump DeAndre Jordan and Caron Butler while dealing Blake Griffin for a high pick+TPE to sign Dwight Howard. Any interest from Charlotte in any of those pieces?

I would trade for Griffin. Problem is we have to wait till FA to do it. I would move some of the picks we are owed for him. No interest in Jordan or Butler.

Once FA starts we can take on Griffin for nothing but picks if you needed us to.

Red Larrivee · Post #1079 » by **Red Larrivee** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:58 am

BrotherDave wrote:I'm just stating a pretty much accepted fact that you can't keep moving lots of pieces around and expect chemistry to improve

You can when a team has won just 28 of their last 120 regular season games. That's not the type of chemistry I'd be concerned about keeping intact.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1080 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:55 am

Red Larrivee wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:I'm just stating a pretty much accepted fact that you can't keep moving lots of pieces around and expect chemistry to improve

You can when a team has won just 28 of their last 120 regular season games. That's not the type of chemistry I'd be concerned about keeping intact.

That's not his point. He's referencing the idea some have that adding certain pieces may take us out of the running for a top pick. He's not concerned about screwing up our chemistry (or lack thereof), just stating that even with added pieces that further turnover will only hurt in the short term/improve lottery odds.

We're still in the acquiring assets stage, don't need to be concerned with team chemistry until we have our team in place.

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