2014 Free Agency Thread

mrknowitall215 · Post #1061 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri May 30, 2014 3:22 pm

LofJ wrote:You guys think Milwaukee would be interested in doing a Zeller for Henson swap if we threw in the #24 pick to make up for the additonal salary they would be taking on?

No, because Henson has proven to be the better player and will make $1.9 million the next year to Zeller's $4 million. I would be a very happy camper if Milwaukee somehow inexplicably did accept that offer though

LofJ · Post #1062 » by **LofJ** » Fri May 30, 2014 3:32 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
LofJ wrote:You guys think Milwaukee would be interested in doing a Zeller for Henson swap if we threw in the #24 pick to make up for the additonal salary they would be taking on?

No, because Henson has proven to be the better player and will make $1.9 million the next year to Zeller's $4 million. I would be a very happy camper if Milwaukee somehow inexplicably did accept that offer though

I changed my mind after looking at Henson's stats. I remember him being a decent mid-range shooter but he has been putrid at the line and away from the rim his first two years in Milwaukee. If we want a stretch 4 we're better off developing Zeller I think.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1063 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri May 30, 2014 3:41 pm

LofJ wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
LofJ wrote:You guys think Milwaukee would be interested in doing a Zeller for Henson swap if we threw in the #24 pick to make up for the additonal salary they would be taking on?

No, because Henson has proven to be the better player and will make $1.9 million the next year to Zeller's $4 million. I would be a very happy camper if Milwaukee somehow inexplicably did accept that offer though

I changed my mind after looking at Henson's stats. I remember him being a decent mid-range shooter but he has been putrid at the line and away from the rim his first two years in Milwaukee. If we want a stretch 4 we're better off developing Zeller I think.

The Hornets won't necessarily need a 'stretch 4' once they get a shooting guard or small forward that can consistently shoot from 3-point range. They keep trying to balance out the fact that neither of Henderson or MKG are floor spacers with a 'stretch 4' instead of just upgrading the wing position properly

Bassman · Post #1064 » by **Bassman** » Sat May 31, 2014 1:13 am

I still want us to pursue Lance. I think the guy has great talent that could be groomed into star status with someone who can give him leadership. I think Big Al and coach are the guys to do that. Kemba is also a fun-loving guy but with quality leadership. Indiana is a team devoid of leaders. George Hill is a horrible PG, Hibbert is a shell, Paul George is a wanna be. Stephenson doesn't have to be a leader...he just needs leadership and maturity.

I believe Indiana may be wary of bringing him back, and other teams may be just wary enough to give us the opportunity at a reasonable investment.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1065 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat May 31, 2014 1:16 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
LofJ wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
No, because Henson has proven to be the better player and will make $1.9 million the next year to Zeller's $4 million. I would be a very happy camper if Milwaukee somehow inexplicably did accept that offer though

I changed my mind after looking at Henson's stats. I remember him being a decent mid-range shooter but he has been putrid at the line and away from the rim his first two years in Milwaukee. If we want a stretch 4 we're better off developing Zeller I think.

The Hornets won't necessarily need a 'stretch 4' once they get a shooting guard or small forward that can consistently shoot from 3-point range. They keep trying to balance out the fact that neither of Henderson or MKG are floor spacers with a 'stretch 4' instead of just upgrading the wing position properly

Completely agree.

BeesWax · Post #1066 » by **BeesWax** » Sat May 31, 2014 1:18 am

Rather than draft Harris why not pick up who we hope he could be, Avery Bradley?

Liver_Pooty · Post #1067 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat May 31, 2014 1:19 am

jdm3 wrote:Rather than draft Harris why not pick up who we hope he could be, Avery Bradley?

I was an advocate for Bradley for a while now, and got bashed for it repeatedly.

BeesWax · Post #1068 » by **BeesWax** » Sat May 31, 2014 1:23 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:Rather than draft Harris why not pick up who we hope he could be, Avery Bradley?

I was an advocate for Bradley for a while now, and got bashed for it repeatedly.

I am not a huge fan of it but I would rather have him than Harris. I know I get 60-65 games of tough defense and solid shooting. This I think is Harris' peak so I would just take another young guy that is already there.

catch20two · Post #1069 » by **catch20two** » Sat May 31, 2014 1:31 am

Bassman wrote:I still want us to pursue Lance. I think the guy has great talent that could be groomed into star status with someone who can give him leadership. I think Big Al and coach are the guys to do that. Kemba is also a fun-loving guy but with quality leadership. Indiana is a team devoid of leaders. George Hill is a horrible PG, Hibbert is a shell, Paul George is a wanna be. Stephenson doesn't have to be a leader...he just needs leadership and maturity.

I believe Indiana may be wary of bringing him back, and other teams may be just wary enough to give us the opportunity at a reasonable investment.

I would only be interested in Stephenson at 8 mil max and even that would leave me uneasy. Whoever pay him 10 mil must be the type that game thousands of dollars at a time and go bunjee cord jumping and skydiving and stuff.

catch20two · Post #1070 » by **catch20two** » Sat May 31, 2014 1:34 am

jdm3 wrote:Rather than draft Harris why not pick up who we hope he could be, Avery Bradley?

I would much rather this move than waste time trying to figure out how to make Harris resourceful only to figure out that he's average at best. It'll be like the last 4 years or grooming Hendo or all of those years the Pistons wasted trying to make a player out of Stuckey. Just a massive waste of time. We need to swing for high ceiling players with this pick, not average all-around players with limited ceilings.

Post #1071 » by **JDR720** » Sat May 31, 2014 1:51 am

I think there is a 5% chance Indy resigns Lance, he didn't listen to Bird one bit

catch20two · Post #1072 » by **catch20two** » Sat May 31, 2014 1:53 am

JDR720 wrote:I think there is a 5% chance Indy resigns Lance, he didn't listen to Bird one bit

I just hope his value drop. If we draft Harris I'd be all in for throwing 10 mil at Stephenson to fix that mistake of a draft pick tho.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #1073 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Sat May 31, 2014 1:56 am

You know how there are players that you you hate, but if they were on your team you would love them. KG was one, as much as I hate to say it, Hansbrough was probably one.

Stephenson is the complete opposite. I love watching that guy play, he plays hard if not harder than anyone, he can be exciting at times, he can be relentless at times, and he can be completely effing nuts at some times to the point it is a train wreck you have to watch. But the hell if you want him on your team.

*DISCLAIMER* If we sign him(doubt we will) I will be talk myself into being super pumped and how the money he lost and his team not wanting him will cause him to mature and he will be a steal for us.

MasterIchiro · Post #1074 » by **MasterIchiro** » Sat May 31, 2014 2:11 am

With extremely talented guards available with pick 9 which kind of came out of nowhere, I don't see why the team would invest money in a big contract there, especially with Henderson + Neal already there and totaling around 10 million investment dollars at the position. We need to move on from it. Not too long into researching these prospects did I realize that money will not be spent at SG. Even the Afflalo rumor seems dead. Henderson will be the stopgap while the team grooms a rookie there - I just hope it's not Hendo's mini-me, Gary Harris.

After coming to grips with no Lance, I thought about my second choice, Gordon Hayward, but now that I feel Stauskas can be comparable to Hayward at a fraction of the cost, I would just keep pick 9 instead of dealing it for Hayward in a sign-and-trade which would be the Jazz' asking price imo.

That leaves us with nearly 20 million to spend and Deng + Monroe still out there.

I still think if Charlotte can get Monroe in a sign & trade for pick 24 and Biz, it will be done.

Or Deng will be acquired for money alone, extending the MKG project another 2 years.

TheKingofSting2 · Post #1075 » by **TheKingofSting2** » Sat May 31, 2014 2:26 am

JDR720 wrote:I think there is a 5% chance Indy resigns Lance, he didn't listen to Bird one bit

I want no part of that clown now, how stupid to fire up the best player in the world!

JMAC3 · Post #1076 » by **JMAC3** » Sat May 31, 2014 2:54 am

Patty Mills is not really a PG though, he is more a scorer. I would not trust him to run the second unit offense at all, most of his minutes are with Manu, who is the creator for everyone else. We do not have a creator on our second unit, so we can not afford a me first point guard.

Averaged less than 2 assists a game and that is with a team full of knock down shooters.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1077 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat May 31, 2014 2:57 am

JMAC3 wrote:Patty Mills is not really a PG though, he is more a scorer. I would not trust him to run the second unit offense at all, most of his minutes are with Manu, who is the creator for everyone else. We do not have a creator on our second unit, so we can not afford a me first point guard.

Averaged less than 2 assists a game and that is with a team full of knock down shooters.

Sessions didn't create anything for the second unit as well, though. When it comes to players coming off the bench I prefer scoring over creating shots for others.

TheKingofSting2 · Post #1078 » by **TheKingofSting2** » Sat May 31, 2014 3:16 am

Greivis Vásquez is a perfect fit for us.

mrknowitall215 · Post #1079 » by **mrknowitall215** » Sat May 31, 2014 4:25 am

TheKingofSting wrote:Greivis Vásquez is a perfect fit for us.

I might be willing to risk a little bit of overpay for Greivis Vasquez since he's capable of playing dual guard roles with his size. It'll basically be like paying him to play 2 positions --- approximately 15 minutes at point guard & 10 minutes at shooting guard. What I consider worth overpay for Vasquez would be around 2-3 years at $6 million annually

countryboi · Post #1080 » by **countryboi** » Sat May 31, 2014 4:33 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
TheKingofSting wrote:Greivis Vásquez is a perfect fit for us.

I might be willing to risk a little bit of overpay for Greivis Vasquez since he's capable of playing dual guard roles with his size. It'll basically be like paying him to play 2 positions --- approximately 15 minutes at point guard & 10 minutes at shooting guard. What I consider worth overpay for Vasquez would be around 2-3 years at $6 million annually

who would cost more Vasquez or Livingston?