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30 Point Threshold - Noah Vonleh Thread

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30 Point Threshold
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Dancing Queen
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Splinters
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Does Anyone Noah if He Can Play?
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Missed Training Camp
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Re: The Noah Vonleh Thread 

Post#1061 » by Mystical Apples » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:30 pm

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Kaminsky was also not sought after at all out of highschool and wasn't worth a **** until his junior year at Wisconsin. Vonleh was a top recruit in highschool so that beginning part of his statement already makes it not kamisky's bio. Kaminsky is a career overachiever who I think wont be able to do that among the grown men of the NBA


God this is silly. My response was to the claim Vonleh had a late growth spurt in HS and that explained his PG skills. That's Frank not Noah. This is all totally verifiable btw. Noah measured 6'8" in 2011 (shoes) and 6'9" in 2013 (shoes). 1" over 2 years isn't much for a HS kid that size.

At Indiana 29% of Vonleh's scoring was from post-ups, second highest rate for PF in the country. But he also struggled with ball movement, passing, and turnovers and barely averaged over 1 jump shot/game. These revisionist tales of Vonleh as a dynamic wing are factually incorrect.

Early in his career he was regarded as a wing player. There was a question on where he would finish up until he broadened out and was obviously an athletic PF. At Indiana he replaced Cody as the center on that team so his post up rate should be compared to those guys. He played most games without a real big to help him at all. Sheehey, Ferrell, Gordon, Williams and Etherington were the other guys who started the most that year. None of those guys are bigger than 6'7" so he had to be the post guy but still shot 48.5% from three on more than an attempt a game.


I thought he did well in that spot. He was a very good post player for Indiana esp after they had no choice when Fischer transferred to Marquette mid-year. At that point he was threatening to start which would have moved Vonleh over to 4 more regularly. But in his year at Indiana he was far better in the post. He could shoot but looked lost out there when he needed to make a play. I watched him a ton.

Based on his measurements and talent he likely would have been a top 5-7 pick. Factoring in his lack of BB instincts and train-wrecky passing/playmaking he was picked later. Fans had already anchored their opinions based upon combine results and talking heads, not what actual teams thought of him.
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Re: The Noah Vonleh Thread 

Post#1062 » by NCHeels2008 » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:57 pm

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:If SAC had a do-over, they absolutely pick Vonleh over Stauskas. Cousins/Vonleh was the perfect combination if both panned out. I think if Vonleh was in 2015, they take Vonleh over Stein and don't look back. Remember, we were all shocked that Vonleh even fell to us last year in the first place- he was a consensus top 5 pick. I don't even think we had a thread for him here until he was drafted.


one bone to pick with your post, Cousins has already pretty much "panned out" he's a hell of a player
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Re: The Noah Vonleh Thread 

Post#1063 » by HornetJail » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:13 am

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MotorKeepsGoing wrote:If SAC had a do-over, they absolutely pick Vonleh over Stauskas. Cousins/Vonleh was the perfect combination if both panned out. I think if Vonleh was in 2015, they take Vonleh over Stein and don't look back. Remember, we were all shocked that Vonleh even fell to us last year in the first place- he was a consensus top 5 pick. I don't even think we had a thread for him here until he was drafted.


one bone to pick with your post, Cousins has already pretty much "panned out" he's a hell of a player

Yeah. I agree. A year ago, he was a force to be reckoned with, but he still had flaws. He's corrected that and is now a top ten player and the second best big man in the NBA behind Blake Griffin.
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Re: The Noah Vonleh Thread 

Post#1064 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:16 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
NCHeels2008 wrote:
MotorKeepsGoing wrote:If SAC had a do-over, they absolutely pick Vonleh over Stauskas. Cousins/Vonleh was the perfect combination if both panned out. I think if Vonleh was in 2015, they take Vonleh over Stein and don't look back. Remember, we were all shocked that Vonleh even fell to us last year in the first place- he was a consensus top 5 pick. I don't even think we had a thread for him here until he was drafted.


one bone to pick with your post, Cousins has already pretty much "panned out" he's a hell of a player

Yeah. I agree. A year ago, he was a force to be reckoned with, but he still had flaws. He's corrected that and is now a top ten player and the second best big man in the NBA behind Blake Griffin.


Anthony Davis would like to speak with you sir.
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Re: The Noah Vonleh Thread 

Post#1065 » by HornetJail » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:17 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
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one bone to pick with your post, Cousins has already pretty much "panned out" he's a hell of a player

Yeah. I agree. A year ago, he was a force to be reckoned with, but he still had flaws. He's corrected that and is now a top ten player and the second best big man in the NBA behind Blake Griffin.


Anthony Davis would like to speak with you sir.

I've got Griffin and Cousins ahead for now. I don't think Davis is there yet.
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Re: The Noah Vonleh Thread 

Post#1066 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:25 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
MotorKeepsGoing wrote:[Cousins] is now a top ten player and the second best big man in the NBA behind Blake Griffin.


Anthony Davis would like to speak with you sir.

I've got Griffin and Cousins ahead for now. I don't think Davis is there yet.


This could get interesting. I'll keep my comments to myself
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Re: The Noah Vonleh Thread 

Post#1067 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:34 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
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Anthony Davis would like to speak with you sir.

I've got Griffin and Cousins ahead for now. I don't think Davis is there yet.


This could get interesting. I'll keep my comments to myself


Wrong thread, but I'd take Aldridge and Davis over both Cousins and most definitely Griffin.

Cousins is a close call.
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Re: 30 Point Threshold - Noah Vonleh Thread 

Post#1068 » by fatlever » Thu Nov 5, 2015 7:55 pm

Hard to ignore how bad Vonleh has been so far for the Blazers, despite the fact they are playing well.

Thru 5 games
14.8mpg
2.0ppg
2.6rpg
23.1% FG
0-for-4 from 3
-0.2 PER

Small sample size, but that's downright awful. He's probably luck that Leonard is hurt and should get some more minutes to improve things.

Small silver lining - amazingly he is a +6.6 net rating so far.
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Re: 30 Point Threshold - Noah Vonleh Thread 

Post#1069 » by amcoolio » Fri Nov 6, 2015 6:08 am

vonleh awful again tonight. Came in in garbage time with the Blazers up big and immediately the Griz went on a 8-0 run.
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Re: 30 Point Threshold - Noah Vonleh Thread 

Post#1070 » by UNCNYC » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:45 pm

Kinda glad we got rid of Vonleh. I don't see the potential in him especially at PF. IF he does have any potential it will be at Center. Frank a bit better potential wise
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