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Re: 12 of 28: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1061 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Mar 3, 2022 2:27 am

Roll Tide 09 wrote:I think it’s clear that without him, this team doesn’t function well at all…which means we’re actually getting a steal with his contract.


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I don't think it's a steal, but I also don't mind it at all.

That Batum stretch however.... Mitch has done pretty well in my eyes but that was stupid.
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Re: 12 of 28: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1062 » by LewisnotMiller » Thu Mar 3, 2022 3:21 am

luciano-davidwesley wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Although I was more than frustrated with Hayward not coming back sooner last year this season he had a 225 pound man roll up all the way up on his leg. I actually thought it was going to be way worse than a sprained ankle.

But yeah last year kind of irked me.

Yep. I thought he must be soft as butter if he wasn't at least going to try to play in a playoff elimination game due to a sprained ankle from 2 months ago. He's at worst not a quick healer but probably soft too.


Just on this, as a Celts fan we went round and round on his injury recovery and ability to play through pain many a time.
One story that seemed credible, and came out after the fact was around him not coping well with being less than 100%. It wasn't the pain aspects as much as him not dealing well with being compromised, and being a bit of a perfectionist/getting down when limited. Even when training, he wanted to do things a certain way (which I guess had been successful in the past).

It rang true of a lot I saw from him, but ultimately who knows?

We missed him when he was gone, since a lot of basic things he does well (making the next pass without fuss, taking open shots from various locations, reading plays) we have had trouble with. It's noticeable when your team starts becoming ISO focused, and you suddenly remember the solid shooter who would move the ball consistently.

End of the day, you guys decided to pay more than we could stomach for a smart player who can shoot, but isn't as good a defender as he was pre-ankle, and who misses games with some regularity.
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Re: 12 of 28: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1063 » by amcoolio » Thu Mar 3, 2022 3:36 pm

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luciano-davidwesley wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Although I was more than frustrated with Hayward not coming back sooner last year this season he had a 225 pound man roll up all the way up on his leg. I actually thought it was going to be way worse than a sprained ankle.

But yeah last year kind of irked me.

Yep. I thought he must be soft as butter if he wasn't at least going to try to play in a playoff elimination game due to a sprained ankle from 2 months ago. He's at worst not a quick healer but probably soft too.


Just on this, as a Celts fan we went round and round on his injury recovery and ability to play through pain many a time.
One story that seemed credible, and came out after the fact was around him not coping well with being less than 100%. It wasn't the pain aspects as much as him not dealing well with being compromised, and being a bit of a perfectionist/getting down when limited. Even when training, he wanted to do things a certain way (which I guess had been successful in the past).

It rang true of a lot I saw from him, but ultimately who knows?

We missed him when he was gone, since a lot of basic things he does well (making the next pass without fuss, taking open shots from various locations, reading plays) we have had trouble with. It's noticeable when your team starts becoming ISO focused, and you suddenly remember the solid shooter who would move the ball consistently.

End of the day, you guys decided to pay more than we could stomach for a smart player who can shoot, but isn't as good a defender as he was pre-ankle, and who misses games with some regularity.


Sadly Gordon is one of our best defenders

Hornets are likely a 45-50 win team if Hayward stayed healthy all year, without him there is a clear lack of accountability and organization on the court. For as talented as LaMelo is, he is only 20 and has a few years of growing up to do before superstardom. Garland is 22, Tatum 24.... Luka was 21 before he started winning but he is a rare breed....we just have to come to grips that this team isn't ready yet for contention until LaMelo adds seasoning, strength and discipline
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Re: 12 of 28: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1064 » by fatlever » Thu Mar 10, 2022 10:13 pm

as of mar 10

14-30 without hayward
50-39 with hayward

not crazy to think he is difference between us being 25 win team vs 45 win. hard to believe but we have so much evidence. there is a reason mitch said he was our best player a few weeks ago.
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Re: 14-30: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1065 » by fatlever » Wed Mar 16, 2022 3:48 pm

It sounds like the Glass Hornet is getting closer to return but still probably 2 weeks away at the earliest.

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Re: 14-30: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1066 » by Benjamin Linus » Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:18 pm

he should go the Kyrie Irving route next season and only play like every other game. keep him healthy & fresh

in the very least dude should sit out back-to-backs
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Re: 14-30: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1067 » by Snidely FC » Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:26 pm

Apropos of what Fats posted above:
The forward said last week that he will begin taking contact this week and that his status will be determined from there. Charlotte is 26-22 when Hayward plays and 10-13 when he doesn't.
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Re: 14-30: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1068 » by yosemiteben » Wed Apr 6, 2022 2:53 pm

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But Bridges doesn’t think he deserves all the credit for success. He pointed to the guy who recently returned from injury as his inspiration and someone he emulates.

Yes, Gordon Hayward. The player whose arrival sent him to the bench at the beginning of his third year, a place he stayed until elbowing himself into the starting lineup at the tail end of the season in April.

“It was an eye-opener for me,” Bridges said. “As soon as he came here, he did a great job of being a vet and being a leader on this team. I had to take a step back. I haven’t done anything in this league. He’s been to the playoffs numerous times, done a lot of damage in this league.

“So it was good for me to kind of step back and see how a vet operates at that position, and just watching him for a full year kind of got me to where I am right now. Like my mindset, just attacking every play, being smart, knowing when to attack and pass. All that type of stuff. Gordon’s played a huge part in that. So I watch him every day.”
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Re: 14-30: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1069 » by Chapelchilla » Wed Apr 6, 2022 3:48 pm

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But Bridges doesn’t think he deserves all the credit for success. He pointed to the guy who recently returned from injury as his inspiration and someone he emulates.

Yes, Gordon Hayward. The player whose arrival sent him to the bench at the beginning of his third year, a place he stayed until elbowing himself into the starting lineup at the tail end of the season in April.

“It was an eye-opener for me,” Bridges said. “As soon as he came here, he did a great job of being a vet and being a leader on this team. I had to take a step back. I haven’t done anything in this league. He’s been to the playoffs numerous times, done a lot of damage in this league.

“So it was good for me to kind of step back and see how a vet operates at that position, and just watching him for a full year kind of got me to where I am right now. Like my mindset, just attacking every play, being smart, knowing when to attack and pass. All that type of stuff. Gordon’s played a huge part in that. So I watch him every day.”


Hope that puts to rest any concerns about what Hayward brings to the team. Not only in the win column but demonstrating how to be a pro. That's what we brought him here for and straight from Miles, he delivered on it. He is an investment in our future success while helping (when he can stay healthy, grr) us now too.
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Re: 14-30: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1070 » by amcoolio » Wed Apr 6, 2022 4:22 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:
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But Bridges doesn’t think he deserves all the credit for success. He pointed to the guy who recently returned from injury as his inspiration and someone he emulates.

Yes, Gordon Hayward. The player whose arrival sent him to the bench at the beginning of his third year, a place he stayed until elbowing himself into the starting lineup at the tail end of the season in April.

“It was an eye-opener for me,” Bridges said. “As soon as he came here, he did a great job of being a vet and being a leader on this team. I had to take a step back. I haven’t done anything in this league. He’s been to the playoffs numerous times, done a lot of damage in this league.

“So it was good for me to kind of step back and see how a vet operates at that position, and just watching him for a full year kind of got me to where I am right now. Like my mindset, just attacking every play, being smart, knowing when to attack and pass. All that type of stuff. Gordon’s played a huge part in that. So I watch him every day.”


Hope that puts to rest any concerns about what Hayward brings to the team. Not only in the win column but demonstrating how to be a pro. That's what we brought him here for and straight from Miles, he delivered on it. He is an investment in our future success while helping (when he can stay healthy, grr) us now too.


That's nice and all, but 38.8 million a year of our 120 million salary cap dedicated to show Miles Bridges how to be a professional? Seems kind of bad to me

Need to move off him ASAP for anyone willing to buy
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Re: 14-30: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1071 » by luciano-davidwesley » Thu Apr 7, 2022 12:18 am

amcoolio wrote:
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yosemiteben wrote:
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Hope that puts to rest any concerns about what Hayward brings to the team. Not only in the win column but demonstrating how to be a pro. That's what we brought him here for and straight from Miles, he delivered on it. He is an investment in our future success while helping (when he can stay healthy, grr) us now too.


That's nice and all, but 38.8 million a year of our 120 million salary cap dedicated to show Miles Bridges how to be a professional? Seems kind of bad to me

Need to move off him ASAP for anyone willing to buy

Yep. Pretty sure we can find a good vet presence for a lot less.
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Re: 14-30: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1072 » by mos6142 » Thu Apr 7, 2022 1:49 am

Chapelchilla wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
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But Bridges doesn’t think he deserves all the credit for success. He pointed to the guy who recently returned from injury as his inspiration and someone he emulates.

Yes, Gordon Hayward. The player whose arrival sent him to the bench at the beginning of his third year, a place he stayed until elbowing himself into the starting lineup at the tail end of the season in April.

“It was an eye-opener for me,” Bridges said. “As soon as he came here, he did a great job of being a vet and being a leader on this team. I had to take a step back. I haven’t done anything in this league. He’s been to the playoffs numerous times, done a lot of damage in this league.

“So it was good for me to kind of step back and see how a vet operates at that position, and just watching him for a full year kind of got me to where I am right now. Like my mindset, just attacking every play, being smart, knowing when to attack and pass. All that type of stuff. Gordon’s played a huge part in that. So I watch him every day.”


Hope that puts to rest any concerns about what Hayward brings to the team. Not only in the win column but demonstrating how to be a pro. That's what we brought him here for and straight from Miles, he delivered on it. He is an investment in our future success while helping (when he can stay healthy, grr) us now too.


That is not worth paying a guy 30m+ and only playing 62% of the games in his first two seasons
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Re: 14-30: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1073 » by fatlever » Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:47 pm

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Re: 14-30: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1074 » by KembaWalker » Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:50 pm

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Didn't look any good with him last game anyway, rest up for LA Gordo
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Re: 14-30: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1075 » by fatlever » Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:59 pm

I was wrong about Hayward. Many of you were begging for us to trade him all summer and first half of season because his injuries were inevitable. I always tried to defend him, and the front office for signing him. Some players just can't stay healthy. He will probably magically get healthy sometime in the future once he winds up on a contender.

It's a real shame, because he was exactly what this team needed when healthy.

I'll be shocked if he's on the roster to start the season next year.

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Re: Fool Me Twice: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1076 » by amcoolio » Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:01 pm

At least Westbrook plays. I'm willing to take the gamble just to get off his cap 1 year earlier.
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Re: Fool Me Twice: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1077 » by fatlever » Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:37 pm

Making a solid case for future BFHOS.

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Re: Fool Me Twice: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1078 » by KingCat » Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:41 pm

This signing feels so much like AL Jefferson's. Signing vet talent good to lose out on a top 5 lotto pick, not good enough to launch us into a upper playoff team. Man this front office.
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Re: Fool Me Twice: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1079 » by amcoolio » Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:41 pm

To be fair, its not his fault. He was a relatively healthy player until he had a freak ankle accident and that ankle just won't let him play long periods of time.
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Re: Fool Me Twice: The Gordon Hayward Thread 

Post#1080 » by yosemiteben » Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:46 pm

MKG-esque

Particularly brutal that he's been thoroughly outperformed by the guy we waived and stretched so we could sign him.

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