Offseason 2025 Thread

[LofJ]

If LaMelo doesn't play more off the ball this year it's malpractice on the part of Lee and the coaching staff. We have the personnel to run a ball movement, motion offense. Sexton, Mann, Dinwiddie, and Kon are all capable of initiating the offense. We should be one of the best shooting teams in the league. If we aren't it's on the coaching staff.

[JDR720]

The best offense with Melo we've had was when Plumlee was the starting C the first time around. We don't have to have post scoring to have a good offense, we need ball movement and multiple players who can score and pass.

On paper we have that. So if we can't score unless Melo is going 1v5 again, that's Lee's fault.

[yosemiteben]

Building on my point, last season as a team we shot 35.5% on C&S 3s, 4th worst in the league. We also ranked like 20th in C&S 3PAs.

Just to compare with BOS, since that seems to be a system that Lee wants to replicate, BOS was 2nd in the league in C&S 3PAs, while also shooting 39% on C&S 3s (6th in the league).

Will be interesting to track that and see if it shifts with different personnel.

[KembaWalker]

Lamelo Mann Sexton and Dinwiddie offer redundancy for each other in case of injury for sure but that ideas of that group fitting together and operating some high level NBA motion offense with Plumdog Moussa Grant and Tiddy in the paint is uhh..optimistic at best

At the end of November last year while things weren’t fully off the rails with injuries in the stats we were the 26th ranked offense with LaMelo averaging 31.1 ppg playing out of his mind. Redundancy for his usage and role will be good later in the season and yes it will win us a few more games maybe but it’s not fixing this offense or making it good. That was with Tre playing most of the games at that point in the season too. We were never playing good offense last season even with Melo playing unsustainably above his level and some minor depth guard pieces aren’t going to change that. Elfrid Payton and Baugh etc are easy targets of ridicule but this offense sucked anyway before tanking with g leaguers

[yosemiteben]

We did not have a single plus 3 point C&S threat last season besides Mann (45%), Grant (39.8%), and Brandon (38%). We lost two of those guys before November ended, and then Brandon in January.

Adding them all back and then adding two more (three if McNeely bounces back) and shifting the offense to encourage more of those shots like BOS does would be a massive shift to our offense.

[JDR720]

Everyone on the team besides Diabate and Plum are, or should be, at least average shooters. Maybe add Salaun and Okogie to that, but I doubt they play (and Okogie will probably be cut).

This is the most 3pt shooting we've had in years. Which again adds pressure to Lee, this roster mostly fits the type of style he wants to play.

[KembaWalker]

We had the 26th ranked offense on Nov 30th with 19 games played with LaMelo playing 18 games, Mann playing 13, Grant playing 16 games (15 if you want to remove the injury game being so early), Miller playing 15

Josh Green was shooting 48% from 3 at this point in the season, Cody Martin was shooting 36%, Mann was shooting 40%, Curry was shooting 42%. 26th ranked offense in the league.

[SWedd523]

We had the 26th ranked offense on Nov 30th with 19 games played with LaMelo playing 18 games, Mann playing 13, Grant playing 16 games (15 if you want to remove the injury game being so early), Miller playing 15

Josh Green was shooting 48% from 3 at this point in the season, Cody Martin was shooting 36%, Mann was shooting 40%, Curry was shooting 42%. 26th ranked offense in the league.

Have no fear, Spencer Dinwiddie and Mason Plumlee are going to unlock the offense

[yosemiteben]

We had the 26th ranked offense on Nov 30th with 19 games played with LaMelo playing 18 games, Mann playing 13, Grant playing 16 games (15 if you want to remove the injury game being so early), Miller playing 15

Josh Green was shooting 48% from 3 at this point in the season, Cody Martin was shooting 36%, Mann was shooting 40%, Curry was shooting 42%. 26th ranked offense in the league.

Have no fear, Spencer Dinwiddie and Mason Plumlee are going to unlock the offense

Why do you ignore Sexton and Kon? I don't understand the joking around that we haven't done anything by ignoring the more significant difference makers that we added.

[yosemiteben]

We had the 26th ranked offense on Nov 30th with 19 games played with LaMelo playing 18 games, Mann playing 13, Grant playing 16 games (15 if you want to remove the injury game being so early), Miller playing 15

Josh Green was shooting 48% from 3 at this point in the season, Cody Martin was shooting 36%, Mann was shooting 40%, Curry was shooting 42%. 26th ranked offense in the league.

And in the 4 games in October our offense was ranked 5th in the league. The sample size of the next 15 games (or that 4 game sample) isn't that meaningful to me, by mid-November we already had to mess with our rotation for a 1st time head coach trying to implement a completely new offensive system.

And are you seriously not seeing Sexton (who has shot 40% from 3 for 3 consecutive seasons on much larger volume compared to guys like Martin or Green) as a substantial upgrade from any of those guys?

[KembaWalker]

I’m guessing if Collin Sexton went to the Wizards nobody here would be predicting them to double their wins

[SWedd523]

I don't think I need to rehash my opinion on Kon.

Suffice to say I don't think he's going to have much of an impact.

I also don't think Sexton is going to do much good because there's only one basketball and you can't play 5 guards.

I'll reiterate and then stop engaging with you: The just launch threes offense worked for Boston because they had quality bigs who could space the floor and needed to be respected. Nobody gives a **** about Moussa, Mason, nor Kalk.

You talk about all this help, but what is the lineup going to be?

Melo is going to start with Miller, Miles, an irrelevant big, and one of Mann, Sexton, or Green. That's a bottom 5 unit on both ends of the floor.

Main bench players all play the same position. You really think they're going to have Spencer, Mann, Kon, and Sexton all out there together?

Swap them around however you want. they're getting abused on both ends of the floor.

[Liver_Pooty]

I think the center position unless you’re a God like Jokic is the most overrated position in the NBA. That being said we could definitely use an improvement but it’s not the end all be all.

[Liver_Pooty]

I also think treating Kon like he’s a shorter Darko Milicic is a rather interesting take. Base line role player when he hasn’t played an NBA game because he’s a white boy with a higher vert than cooper Flagg. Been interesting to read these. We will see how it works out.

[KembaWalker]

We had the 26th ranked offense on Nov 30th with 19 games played with LaMelo playing 18 games, Mann playing 13, Grant playing 16 games (15 if you want to remove the injury game being so early), Miller playing 15

Josh Green was shooting 48% from 3 at this point in the season, Cody Martin was shooting 36%, Mann was shooting 40%, Curry was shooting 42%. 26th ranked offense in the league.

And in the 4 games in October our offense was ranked 5th in the league. The sample size of the next 15 games (or that 4 game sample) isn't that meaningful to me, by mid-November we already had to mess with our rotation for a 1st time head coach trying to implement a completely new offensive system.

And are you seriously not seeing Sexton (who has shot 40% from 3 for 3 consecutive seasons on much larger volume compared to guys like Martin or Green) as a substantial upgrade from any of those guys?

I seriously don’t think Collin Sexton is that much of an upgrade over anyone if the goal is to win games. You don’t get to be by far the biggest active loser in the league over 400 games by bad luck. He’ll get some stats, probably not very efficiently as usual because Lee runs a garbage offense. He’s better than Micic was but he’s not a team trajectory changer

[Liver_Pooty]

We had the 26th ranked offense on Nov 30th with 19 games played with LaMelo playing 18 games, Mann playing 13, Grant playing 16 games (15 if you want to remove the injury game being so early), Miller playing 15

Josh Green was shooting 48% from 3 at this point in the season, Cody Martin was shooting 36%, Mann was shooting 40%, Curry was shooting 42%. 26th ranked offense in the league.

And in the 4 games in October our offense was ranked 5th in the league. The sample size of the next 15 games (or that 4 game sample) isn't that meaningful to me, by mid-November we already had to mess with our rotation for a 1st time head coach trying to implement a completely new offensive system.

And are you seriously not seeing Sexton (who has shot 40% from 3 for 3 consecutive seasons on much larger volume compared to guys like Martin or Green) as a substantial upgrade from any of those guys?

I seriously don’t think Collin Sexton is that much of an upgrade over anyone if the goal is to win games. You don’t get to be by far the biggest active loser in the league over 400 games by bad luck. He’ll get some stats, probably not very efficiently as usual because Lee runs a garbage offense. He’s better than Micic was but he’s not a team trajectory changer

I don’t think he’s ever been put in a position to succeed. Hell it may not even be here. But if you can catch and shoot a basketball at that rate that’s definitely something.

[SWedd523]

I think the center position unless you’re a God like Jokic is the most overrated position in the NBA. That being said we could definitely use an improvement but it’s not the end all be all.

Top 10 teams last year

1. Thunder--Chet and Hartenstein (also the deepest team in the league with the MVP)
2. Cavs--Allen and Mobley
3. Celtics--Zinger, Horford, Kornet, Hauser
4. Rockets--Sengun, Adams, Smith
5. Knicks--KAT, Achiuwa, Robinson
6. Nuggets--Joker
7. Pacers--Siakam, Turner, Toppin
8. Lakers--outlier due to LeBron and Luka but they arguably looked better with AD and got destroyed in the playoffs because they had no size
9. Clippers--Zubac
10. Wolves--Gobert, Reid, Randle


It would seem to follow that having a really good big rotation is very important to success.

[SWedd523]

I also think treating Kon like he’s a shorter Darko Milicic is a rather interesting take. Base line role player when he hasn’t played an NBA game because he’s a white boy with a higher vert than cooper Flagg. Been interesting to read these. We will see how it works out.

I'd be interested to see you list a few guys who were star players with a similar physical profile

Edit: Kyle Korver was the last unathletic white boy who made an ASG that I can remember. I kind of also remember that being a sham because that Hawks team was the darlings of the league.

[LofJ]

We had the 26th ranked offense on Nov 30th with 19 games played with LaMelo playing 18 games, Mann playing 13, Grant playing 16 games (15 if you want to remove the injury game being so early), Miller playing 15

Josh Green was shooting 48% from 3 at this point in the season, Cody Martin was shooting 36%, Mann was shooting 40%, Curry was shooting 42%. 26th ranked offense in the league.

And in the 4 games in October our offense was ranked 5th in the league. The sample size of the next 15 games (or that 4 game sample) isn't that meaningful to me, by mid-November we already had to mess with our rotation for a 1st time head coach trying to implement a completely new offensive system.

And are you seriously not seeing Sexton (who has shot 40% from 3 for 3 consecutive seasons on much larger volume compared to guys like Martin or Green) as a substantial upgrade from any of those guys?

I seriously don’t think Collin Sexton is that much of an upgrade over anyone if the goal is to win games. You don’t get to be by far the biggest active loser in the league over 400 games by bad luck. He’ll get some stats, probably not very efficiently as usual because Lee runs a garbage offense. He’s better than Micic was but he’s not a team trajectory changer

If Lee runs the same offense next season he needs to be fired by December. There's no excuse for a team with LaMelo, Miller, Sexton, Kon, Mann, and Grant to not be an above average team from 3. It doesn't matter that we only have Miles, Grant, and a hope/prayer with Salaun/Kalkbrenner to shoot 3's in the frontcourt.

The defense should suck, but they should be able to shoot/score. If we're healthy and the offense is stand around and watch LaMelo like it was last year Lee needs to go ASAP.

[Liver_Pooty]

I also think treating Kon like he’s a shorter Darko Milicic is a rather interesting take. Base line role player when he hasn’t played an NBA game because he’s a white boy with a higher vert than cooper Flagg. Been interesting to read these. We will see how it works out.

I'd be interested to see you list a few guys who were star players with a similar physical profile

Edit: Kyle Korver was the last unathletic white boy who made an ASG that I can remember. I kind of also remember that being a sham because that Hawks team was the darlings of the league.

Trying to be positive here and you’re making me look like an ****. Trust me. Kon will be excellent.

As far as your center post. lol whatever.

I stand by that post for whatever reason.