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Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread

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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1081 » by Elden Payton » Sun Feb 2, 2014 12:51 am

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Big Al is the Cats first ever big free agent signing. If they traded him less than a year in who would ever sign here again?

After lobbying for him would Kemba resign if Big Al were traded after producing the way he is?


I'm not advocating trading him at the deadline necessarily.

At the draft would be smart imo.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1082 » by Bassman » Sun Feb 2, 2014 1:58 am

While not a superstar, Al is an IMPACT player. Trade him and the best you'll get back is quantity, not quality. Keep adding those type of players and you only improve mediocrity.

I see Al as part of the solution, but also part of the transition. His 3 years with us carry the potential to get us into the playoffs and deeper while we develop our current & future players. The key will be the draft. Regardless of where we pick, our selections MUST be the best they can be. We cannot afford to miss on any of them.
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Al's Theme Song 

Post#1083 » by Eoghan » Sun Feb 2, 2014 5:50 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9_RTZaMQnk[/youtube]
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1084 » by HornetJail » Wed Feb 5, 2014 6:52 pm

Al is the best offensive player in this franchise's history. Let's have him stick around for a while.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1085 » by amcoolio » Wed Feb 5, 2014 7:58 pm

I wonder if Al led us to a playoff upset over the Pacers with 26.7 points a game if people would still be harping on his impact
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1086 » by LamarMatic7 » Wed Feb 5, 2014 8:05 pm

amcoolio wrote:I wonder if Al led us to a playoff upset over the Pacers with 26.7 points a game if people would still be harping on his impact

There's a reason why it is such a big "if".
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1087 » by fatlever » Wed Feb 5, 2014 8:58 pm

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Big Al. RT @nbastats Over last 10 gm, Al-Jeff ranks 5th in PPG(27.0) 6th in RPG(12.9) His 21.6% Player Impact Estimate ranks 2nd to KD 23.5%
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1088 » by mrknowitall215 » Wed Feb 5, 2014 9:18 pm

The sad part about it is that Jefferson probably still won't receive a honor like NBA Player of the Week in spite of those numbers
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1089 » by LamarMatic7 » Wed Feb 5, 2014 10:02 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:The sad part about it is that Jefferson probably still won't receive a honor like NBA Player of the Week in spite of those numbers

last week it was Al vs Lowry.

Al: 28.3ppg, 11.7rpg, 2.3apg, 1.3spg, 1.0bpg, .493 FG%. 2-1 record
Lowry: 25.0ppg, 5.0rpg, 8.0apg, 2.3spg, .485 FG%, .444 3P% (4.0/9.0). 3-1 record

It isn't a travesty but... yes, it could have gone Al's way. I guess they valued that one extra Lowry victory that Al didn't have the chance to get.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1090 » by mrknowitall215 » Wed Feb 5, 2014 10:26 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:The sad part about it is that Jefferson probably still won't receive a honor like NBA Player of the Week in spite of those numbers

last week it was Al vs Lowry.

Al: 28.3ppg, 11.7rpg, 2.3apg, 1.3spg, 1.0bpg, .493 FG%. 2-1 record
Lowry: 25.0ppg, 5.0rpg, 8.0apg, 2.3spg, .485 FG%, .444 3P% (4.0/9.0). 3-1 record

It isn't a travesty but... yes, it could have gone Al's way. I guess they valued that one extra Lowry victory that Al didn't have the chance to get.


However they want to skew it. I believe there's a bias
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1091 » by Diop » Wed Feb 5, 2014 11:14 pm

Tricky Ricky was tweeting about it and said that the last game in Phoenix ruined his chances.

I would have to agree.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1092 » by MPM » Thu Feb 6, 2014 11:13 am

I used to think the Bobcats RealGM crew were a bunch of lovable losers (still do to some extent) - content to complain about their plight and revel in minor victories (our annual drubbing of the Kobe led Lakers, for instance). But as we make steps to improve, I realize that a lot of folks on this board just love to rag. It's not criticism, it's anti-everything. The anti-Al sentiment on here of late has been preposterous. We all know he has holes in his game, but while many continue to ridicule him as some sort of obese flounder that destroys all things defense, the basketball world has been singing his praises during what has been an amazing run of basketball. A run that just saw us to a 3-1 west coast road trip, which - despite what many of you think - has been an awful lot of fun to watch.

Congrats, Al. I don't expect you to keep up this tear, but if you do - you will be the best player in Bobcats history - in ONE season of ball played.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1093 » by Snidely FC » Thu Feb 6, 2014 1:35 pm

Did people see the end of Steph's Al interview after the GS game? "I owe you a Sprite," she says, and Al says, "Damn right you do," and stalks away, chest all puffed out. Uproarious, and we all get to see Big Al make love to Stephanie Ready on public TV!

I gotta give Al props. He has thoroughly embraced being the big cheese on this team, and for now is thriving in the role. His quirky personality seems to be a fit for leading this previously rudderless squad. The man is just an expert goofball :lol:
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1094 » by Robot Rock » Thu Feb 6, 2014 3:33 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Did people see the end of Steph's Al interview after the GS game? "I owe you a Sprite," she says, and Al says, "Damn right you do," and stalks away, chest all puffed out. Uproarious, and we all get to see Big Al make love to Stephanie Ready on public TV!

I gotta give Al props. He has thoroughly embraced being the big cheese on this team, and for now is thriving in the role. His quirky personality seems to be a fit for leading this previously rudderless squad. The man is just an expert goofball :lol:


"Where's my Sprite?" The Al Jefferson Thread
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1095 » by mrknowitall215 » Thu Feb 6, 2014 4:31 pm

Unlocking Al Jefferson: The secret to the big man’s recent dominance in the paint

In a league full of aesthetic and athletic wonders, Al Jefferson stands apart. He’s a lumbering big man out of sync with the evolution of the league, and at the same time stands in sacrilege to all the hallowed tenets of post play. His pump fake is patently outrageous. His hook shot scoffs at fundamental form. He’s not of a different time, but of a different dimension entirely.

As such, even Jefferson’s brighter moments don’t resonate at quite the same frequency as the NBA’s other stars — a fact evidenced by the air of quiet surrounding his recent tear. Over his last 12 games, Jefferson has averaged a staggering 27.4 points (on 54.8 percent shooting), 12.1 rebounds, and 2.7 assists without much ado. That the Bobcats are squared away on the NBA’s margins is to blame for some of that inattention, but one can’t ignore Jefferson’s style as a factor in his inability to capture the basketball world’s interest. While Kevin Durant is throwing fireballs, Al Jefferson is rolling bocce; his very style brings the game to a deliberate walk, replacing dynamic drives and sharp shooting with the slow churn of his idiosyncratic post work.

That divide doesn’t preclude Jefferson from being effective in his own right, particularly when given room to operate. Actually carving out such room, though, has been a recurring problem for the Bobcats all season. Charlotte runs all kinds of precursor action — screens, decoys, redirection — to get both Jefferson and his teammates in proper position for a post-up. But that preamble only goes so far; no matter its clever designs, Steve Clifford’s playbook has all too frequently bumped up against the limitations of his roster.

The most persistent constraint therein comes through the Bobcats’ lack of competent perimeter shooters. Kemba Walker has inched toward league-average accuracy from beyond the arc, an improvement which depressingly makes him one of Charlotte’s better marksmen. Gerald Henderson (29.3 percent), Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (11.1), and Ramon Sessions (11.9) are utter irrelevants from behind the three-point line. Jeff Taylor, who showed some promise as a spot-up type as a rookie last year, shot poorly prior to his season-ending surgery. Even those deep reserves (Jannero Pargo, Ben Gordon) who might help space the floor are so lacking in other regards that it’s difficult to play them. In all, only two teams in the league average fewer three-point attempts per game than the Bobcats, a weakness which ultimately draws bigger problems inward.

Yet Jefferson has found his way as a Bobcat all the same, in part due to a progressive effort to pair him with the best shooters available. Walker has been in and out of that mix due to injury, but Charlotte has improbably relied on Josh McRoberts (a power forward who shoots 37.5 percent from deep) and Anthony Tolliver (a one-time benchwarmer making 44.4 percent of his three-pointers) to facilitate their post play. Neither is anything more than a role player, and Tolliver, in particular, has only found his way into the regular rotation due to injuries to Taylor and Kidd-Gilchrist. But the very presence of those two rangy forwards has opened things up for Jefferson and the Bobcats offense, particularly when they complement Big Al in tandem:

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Dicing up Jefferson’s minutes based on teammate pairings creates a bit of a sample size issue, but the initial trends are both observable and prominent. McRoberts, who has started 49 of Charlotte’s 50 games this season, is both a reasonably effective shooter and a practical entry passer — two attributes that naturally play off of Jefferson’s strengths down low. In that synergy one can find explicable reason for offensive success; McRoberts’ particular skills and range allow him to operate in spaces of the floor that wouldn’t crowd Jefferson’s post work. Tolliver makes for less direct influence due to the fact that he’s primarily used as a spot-up shooter on the weak side of the floor, but he’s so much more effective than his Bobcats teammates in that regard that his presence on the floor makes a tangible impact.

There are, of course, other factors in play; Jefferson is not only fully healthy now after battling through early season injury, but has had an opportunity to work himself into a productive rhythm; Walker’s absence forced Charlotte to funnel its offense through Jefferson even more, which drew more strategic focus to the team’s floor spacing; and ultimately, it’s taken time for a young team to take to some of the specifics of Clifford’s newly installed offense. The first — Jefferson’s health and mobility — in particular, should not be underestimated. But consider the alternative to the McRoberts/Tolliver remedy through the lineup of Jefferson, Sessions, Kidd-Gilchrist, Henderson, and Cody Zeller:

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Not a single one of Jefferson’s four teammates on the floor in this scenario can shoot from long range, meaning the only space that the Bobcats’ opponent (in this case, the Clippers) has to defend is within the arc. That interior focus then brings a ton of attention to Jefferson and the paint; without need to stretch coverage out to the three-point line, it’s only natural that the defense would primarily look to take away the highest-percentage shots available. As good as Jefferson is on the block, asking him to create in close quarters with all five defenders looming is a bit much, hence Charlotte’s miserable offensive performance (and Jefferson’s substandard field goal percentage) when he works without McRoberts or Tolliver.

Put one of those two on the floor and Jefferson gets some helpful breathing room. Stick both into the lineup — as is the case in Charlotte’s most-played unit for the season — and things get much more interesting for what has, on balance, been one of the worst offensive teams in the league (27th in points per possession). Tolliver’s emergence has been noticeably advantageous in that regard, if only in accomplishing the former; Jefferson now only plays about a tenth of his minutes without one of his complements in tow, relative to a quarter of his minutes during the opening stretch of the season.

Considering the makeup of this Bobcats roster, that’s about all that one can reasonably ask for. Charlotte has a vested interest in the development of players like Kidd-Gilchrist and Henderson, and both are plenty useful in other ways. That makes it increasingly difficult to find time for Tolliver on the wing alongside Jefferson and McRoberts, and thus a bit more challenging to open up the most room for Jefferson possible. It’s a shame that the Bobcats won’t likely be relying on that successful lineup combination due to their other understandable motives (defense included), but ensuring that a single shooter is on the floor with Jefferson at all possible times is progress in itself.

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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1096 » by LamarMatic7 » Thu Feb 6, 2014 5:40 pm

Put one of those two on the floor and Jefferson gets some helpful breathing room. Stick both into the lineup — as is the case in Charlotte’s most-played unit for the season — and things get much more interesting for what has, on balance, been one of the worst offensive teams in the league (27th in points per possession).


That being said, switch MKG with Tolliver and you get one of the league's most stingy line-ups on defense without losing that much offense.

Kemba/Hendo/Tolly/McBob/Al are 105.5 - 107.5 during 197 minutes of sample size.

Kemba/Hendo/MKG/McBob/Al are 102.4 - 89.1 during 187 minutes of sample size.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1097 » by mrknowitall215 » Thu Feb 6, 2014 5:45 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:Kemba/Hendo/MKG/McBob/Al are 102.4 - 89.1 during 187 minutes of sample size.


That's an impressive defensive rating/net lineup. I don't think people understand how good this team 'could' be if they just made a few tweaks, and strengthen the bench
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1098 » by fatlever » Thu Feb 6, 2014 7:55 pm

Robot Rock wrote:
"Where's my Sprite?" The Al Jefferson Thread


Excellent. It's Perfect.
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Re: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1099 » by fatlever » Thu Feb 6, 2014 8:06 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
Put one of those two on the floor and Jefferson gets some helpful breathing room. Stick both into the lineup — as is the case in Charlotte’s most-played unit for the season — and things get much more interesting for what has, on balance, been one of the worst offensive teams in the league (27th in points per possession).


That being said, switch MKG with Tolliver and you get one of the league's most stingy line-ups on defense without losing that much offense.

Kemba/Hendo/Tolly/McBob/Al are 105.5 - 107.5 during 197 minutes of sample size.

Kemba/Hendo/MKG/McBob/Al are 102.4 - 89.1 during 187 minutes of sample size.


just imagine how great this team could be if we could find a shooting guard who could match hendo as a defender but was also a good 3pt shooter. virtually any 3&D shooting guard would make a massive improvement to this roster on most nights. MKG could make up some of hendo's half court production with more room and more touches.

that article did a really great job illustrating the difficulties clifford has in juggling between finding shooters to pair with jefferson, while also keeping the defense from falling apart, but also finding minutes for the young guys who need them.
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Re: Where's My Sprite?: The Al Jefferson Thread 

Post#1100 » by fatlever » Thu Feb 6, 2014 8:21 pm

lets rank the perfect shooting guards for this team (to make it somewhat reasonable, we will exclude all-stars)

1. klay thompson
2. wesley matthews
3. bradley beal
4. kyle korver
5. kevin martin
6. jj redick
7. jeremy lamb
8. terrence ross
9. gerald green
10. martell webster
11. marco belinelli
12. iman shumpert
13. cj miles
15. danny green
15. jared dudley

is there anyone on this list that you would not trade hendo for straight up?

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