2020 Pre-Draft Discussion

DY_nasty · Post #1081 » by **DY_nasty** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 3:51 pm

If it wasn't a top 3 pick I'd feel different about a lot of these guys lol

Braggins · Post #1082 » by **Braggins** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 4:20 pm

Toppin doesn't seem like a guy who is going to create offense, either his own shot or shots for others. He seems like a play finisher and not an actual offensive centerpiece, which would be fine, but hes not projected to be an elite shooter and hes terrible at defense. If a players entire offensive repertoire is amazing dunker + solid shooter and they can't defend any position in the NBA, that doesn't seem terribly exciting to me.

Its hard to imagine him ever being an adequate defender, so he either needs to develop a more well rounded offensive game and/or become an elite shooter imo.

DY_nasty · Post #1083 » by **DY_nasty** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 4:22 pm

Braggins wrote:Toppin doesn't seem like a guy who is going to create offense, either his own shot or shots for others. He seems like a play finisher and not an actual offensive centerpiece, which would be fine, but hes not projected to be an elite shooter and hes terrible at defense. If a players entire offensive repertoire is amazing dunker + solid shooter and they can't defend any position in the NBA, that doesn't seem terribly exciting to me.

He's a straight line explosive kind of player too which is..... gonna make things difficult for the type of player he aims to be

Liver_Pooty · Post #1084 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 5:52 pm

A 22 year old Amare would straight jackhammer a current 22 year old Toppin

MasterIchiro · Post #1085 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 6:06 pm

Wolves shopping pick one so I will assume the Knicks really want Ball, being baited here.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259427/Wolves-Expected-To-Pursue-Trade-Options-With-No-1-Pick

BeesWax · Post #1086 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 7:05 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
BeesWax wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Probably not, but Amare is the comp I see out there. Obi flat out dominated college basketball this season. He had Dayton ranked in the top 4 right. Dayton!!

They played one ranked opponent and it was Kansas early in the year. He shot almost 10% below his season average from the field in that game and had zero assists. Not saying he won't pan out or anything but he strikes me a little like Bennett. They raved about his season and then he couldn't work out again NBA caliber players leading to the draft. Bennett also only played against one NBA level type of big James Michael McAdoo and it was by far his worst game of the season. Without being able to see him go head to head against the level of player he will see night in and night out I am skeptical.

That's a reasonable way of looking at him, on the other hand he was spectacular on offense shooting inside and out. Dunks and 3s. He would be a handful to defend against at his size. How does a team defend him? Who can guard him inside and out. They say he doesn't have the agility to defend the perimeter. I'm by no means advocating him for pick #3. It just seems to me that people are treating him like he has the plague or an active case of COVID-19.

I guess my hangup is will his offense be spectacular against better opponents. He doesn't have much of a sample size against guys who will wind up in the NBA. His one game against a good team he was not as amazing stat wise. He put up numbers but all his averages dropped and Kansas doesn't even have any lock first round bigs on the roster. It scares me to take a guy who beat weak opponents to death when you cannot have him do at least some workouts against better athletes. He won't automatically be more athletic and bigger than everyone he plays next season.

If we take him I will hope he pans out but I would be scared to take him at 3 with such a limited view of him against real opponents.

Braggins · Post #1087 » by **Braggins** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 7:17 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Wolves shopping pick one so I will assume the Knicks really want Ball, being baited here.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259427/Wolves-Expected-To-Pursue-Trade-Options-With-No-1-Pick

I'm starting to think all the top 3 teams are going to want to trade down, but teams possibly aren't going to be wanting to give up much to move up for the same reason the top teams want to trade down, so I could see there not actually being much movement at the top in the end. The wild card might be what the worst ran teams like the Knicks are willing to do.

KGdaBom · Post #1088 » by **KGdaBom** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 7:27 pm

BeesWax wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
BeesWax wrote:They played one ranked opponent and it was Kansas early in the year. He shot almost 10% below his season average from the field in that game and had zero assists. Not saying he won't pan out or anything but he strikes me a little like Bennett. They raved about his season and then he couldn't work out again NBA caliber players leading to the draft. Bennett also only played against one NBA level type of big James Michael McAdoo and it was by far his worst game of the season. Without being able to see him go head to head against the level of player he will see night in and night out I am skeptical.

That's a reasonable way of looking at him, on the other hand he was spectacular on offense shooting inside and out. Dunks and 3s. He would be a handful to defend against at his size. How does a team defend him? Who can guard him inside and out. They say he doesn't have the agility to defend the perimeter. I'm by no means advocating him for pick #3. It just seems to me that people are treating him like he has the plague or an active case of COVID-19.

I guess my hangup is will his offense be spectacular against better opponents. He doesn't have much of a sample size against guys who will wind up in the NBA. His one game against a good team he was not as amazing stat wise. He put up numbers but all his averages dropped and Kansas doesn't even have any lock first round bigs on the roster. It scares me to take a guy who beat weak opponents to death when you cannot have him do at least some workouts against better athletes. He won't automatically be more athletic and bigger than everyone he plays next season.

If we take him I will hope he pans out but I would be scared to take him at 3 with such a limited view of him against real opponents.

I am in full agreement with you about not picking him at #3. If you acquire a pick in the 6-10 range I just think you should consider him.

BeesWax · Post #1089 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 7:32 pm

Braggins wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Wolves shopping pick one so I will assume the Knicks really want Ball, being baited here.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259427/Wolves-Expected-To-Pursue-Trade-Options-With-No-1-Pick

I'm starting to think all the top 3 teams are going to want to trade down, but teams possibly aren't going to be wanting to give up much to move up for the same reason the top teams want to trade down, so I could see there not actually being much movement at the top in the end. The wild card might be what the worst ran teams like the Knicks are willing to do.

I hope the knicks jump to 1 for LaMelo and that nobody else wants to move up with GS and they take Wiseman as best fit for their needs. That way we can land Edwards. That would be my best case scenario.

KGdaBom · Post #1090 » by **KGdaBom** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 7:36 pm

Braggins wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Wolves shopping pick one so I will assume the Knicks really want Ball, being baited here.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259427/Wolves-Expected-To-Pursue-Trade-Options-With-No-1-Pick

I'm starting to think all the top 3 teams are going to want to trade down, but teams possibly aren't going to be wanting to give up much to move up for the same reason the top teams want to trade down, so I could see there not actually being much movement at the top in the end. The wild card might be what the worst ran teams like the Knicks are willing to do.

Braggins out of many brilliant basketball minds (and some not so :lol:

) on the Hornets message board you stand out as one of the best. If I were the GM of any of these three teams I would really try to trade back a few spots if I could get a solid asset to do so. However, who's your target if the Hornets were to trade down? Say the expected happens and Wolves take Edwards and Warriors take Wiseman. Could you pass on Ball who many have as the best talent in the draft(not me)? If you want Okongwu, how far down do you think you can trade? Avdija is probably going top 5.
When I play fantasy basketball I will often wait to pick a player I like better if I think he can slide a round. It usually works out, but once in a while I get burned. However, taking risks like that is the way to maximize your reward. Not guts/no glory.

MasterIchiro · Post #1091 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 8:12 pm

BeesWax wrote:
Braggins wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Wolves shopping pick one so I will assume the Knicks really want Ball, being baited here.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259427/Wolves-Expected-To-Pursue-Trade-Options-With-No-1-Pick

I'm starting to think all the top 3 teams are going to want to trade down, but teams possibly aren't going to be wanting to give up much to move up for the same reason the top teams want to trade down, so I could see there not actually being much movement at the top in the end. The wild card might be what the worst ran teams like the Knicks are willing to do.

I hope the knicks jump to 1 for LaMelo and that nobody else wants to move up with GS and they take Wiseman as best fit for their needs. That way we can land Edwards. That would be my best case scenario.

If Lamelo goes 1, I don't care if it's Wiseman, Avdija or Toppin who goes 2, leaving Edwards to the Hornets. I don't think Wiseman or Edwards commands the kind of return of an established player who helps the Warriors win now. Warriors are also on a tight budget, so not only would the player have to be good, he'd have to be on a rookie contract. Those players don't get traded for picks in a weak draft. So I really think with a 3 year window (Steph is 33) Avdija and Toppin are more in play for the Warriors than Edwards.

GoBobs · Post #1092 » by **GoBobs** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 10:03 pm

I think most of the guys in this draft are going to bust, we have hardly seen them. That said i would trade anyone but washington for an extra top 3 pick. We need to roll the dice. The current roster is nice and everything but we havent found the type of player you can really start building around yet

DY_nasty · Post #1093 » by **DY_nasty** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 11:00 pm

GoBobs wrote:I think most of the guys in this draft are going to bust, we have hardly seen them. That said i would trade anyone but washington for an extra top 3 pick. We need to roll the dice. The current roster is nice and everything but we havent found the type of player you can really start building around yet

miami didn't build around anyone. neither did utah or denver or boston really. houston had harden fall into their lap before building anything and OKC is just being smart... there's plenty of ways to move forward. no reason to lock in on knicks-theory

UNCNYC · Post #1094 » by **UNCNYC** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 11:28 pm

This dude has lots of skill. I just re-evaluated him. Hope hes there late

Watch on YouTube

KGdaBom · Post #1095 » by **KGdaBom** » Wed Sep 2, 2020 11:51 pm

BeesWax wrote:
Braggins wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Wolves shopping pick one so I will assume the Knicks really want Ball, being baited here.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259427/Wolves-Expected-To-Pursue-Trade-Options-With-No-1-Pick

I'm starting to think all the top 3 teams are going to want to trade down, but teams possibly aren't going to be wanting to give up much to move up for the same reason the top teams want to trade down, so I could see there not actually being much movement at the top in the end. The wild card might be what the worst ran teams like the Knicks are willing to do.

I hope the knicks jump to 1 for LaMelo and that nobody else wants to move up with GS and they take Wiseman as best fit for their needs. That way we can land Edwards. That would be my best case scenario.

If the Knicks jump to one I wonder what the offer is. We don't want their scrubs. We might take Barrett and 8. We might need more.

James Gatz · Post #1096 » by **James Gatz** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 12:26 am

Barrett would be such a bad fit next to Dlo and KAT. Last thing they need is ball dominant guy who hasn't shown the ability to shot.

MasterIchiro · Post #1097 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 12:31 am

Ball-dominant Barrett pairs nicely with ball-sharing LaMelo. Knicks just put out an announcement they're after VanVleet on the heels of the report the Wolves are open to trading down.

Post #1098 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 12:52 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Ball-dominant Barrett pairs nicely with ball-sharing LaMelo. Knicks just put out an announcement they're after VanVleet on the heels of the report the Wolves are open to trading down.

VanVleet is a much better fit for the Knicks than Ball because not only is he a great facilitator and game manager but he can also shoot.

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amcoolio · Post #1099 » by **amcoolio** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 1:00 am

Just watching this Heat game look how valuable players like Herro and Derrick Jones Jr. are.

You want gamer wings who can playmake and shoot. Now I'm leaning towards Avdija, Halliburton or Hayes over any of the top 3.

MasterIchiro · Post #1100 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 1:08 am

BigSlam wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Ball-dominant Barrett pairs nicely with ball-sharing LaMelo. Knicks just put out an announcement they're after VanVleet on the heels of the report the Wolves are open to trading down.

VanVleet is a much better fit for the Knicks than Ball because not only is he a great facilitator and game manager but he can also shoot.

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VanVleet is more of a win-now player though. Knicks are in a rebuild with a bare cupboard.