#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[catch20two]

Zach Lowe just lost some cool points from me. The value of his opinion lost some respect.

Why? Because he called a ~25 year old that can't catch and averaged a 3/5 last year a bust?

Also if our front office really believes he is older than he is and around 25 years old I don't expect him to be a Hornet after next year unless we can't find other options in FA or the draft.

Because there's no fact that Biz is older than he is listed so throwing out alleged sh*t like that to slander someone to help his opinion is distasteful. Also, if Biz played on a team that won 50 games as a backup that was advanced statistically the best rim protector Lowe's dickeating ass would be praising him like they do Asik. When we win 50 plus games this year watch how everybody start beatboxing and changing their tune about Biz. I lost respect for Lowe off that one.

[vorbis]

doubt, doubt, doubt. i'd love something concrete. it was convincing enough that he was 18 at the time he was drafted. is there evidence to the contrary? does biyombo seem older than his listed age? he doesn't to me. until something like that comes out, what's being accomplished with speculation other than sly digs at biyombo/hornets org/jordan?

[catch20two]

I dont believe the age rumours at all. He was tested by doctors in Spain when he was allegedly 16 and they concluded he was 16-17 at most. Also, Im pretty sure one of his parents is a diplomat or something to that effect. At the very least he was born into a respected and educated family (he speaks like 6 languages) and wasnt born in the jungle or something like people assume because he is from the Congo. Unless someone has some evidence other than that he looks older this should be regarded as nonsense. Otherwise, why arent we questioning Lebrons age? He looked 30 when he was 18.

Lowe just tried to throw that age nonsense out there after Lamar backed him in a corner about him being statistically the best rim protector.

[EwingSweatsALot]

I dont believe the age rumours at all. He was tested by doctors in Spain when he was allegedly 16 and they concluded he was 16-17 at most. Also, Im pretty sure one of his parents is a diplomat or something to that effect. At the very least he was born into a respected and educated family (he speaks like 6 languages) and wasnt born in the jungle or something like people assume because he is from the Congo. Unless someone has some evidence other than that he looks older this should be regarded as nonsense. Otherwise, why arent we questioning Lebrons age? He looked 30 when he was 18.

Lowe just tried to throw that age nonsense out there after Lamar backed him in a corner about him being statistically the best rim protector.

I don't think he is throwing things against the wall. The rumors about his age have gone back to before he was drafted. The fact that people in the NBA also believe he is older than he is should hold some weight as well. It doesn't matter how Biz grew up in the Congo, hell if his parents were diplomats that would make it even easier to forge whatever needs to be done. I have no clue if he is older, I have no evidence, but to just throw it aside isn't smart. It has to be in the thought process of decisions in the future. A 21 year old project is a lot different than a 24 year old project. It can't just be dismissed because you don't have enough proof that he is or isn't, that is when you become ignorant towards your future.

[catch20two]

I dont believe the age rumours at all. He was tested by doctors in Spain when he was allegedly 16 and they concluded he was 16-17 at most. Also, Im pretty sure one of his parents is a diplomat or something to that effect. At the very least he was born into a respected and educated family (he speaks like 6 languages) and wasnt born in the jungle or something like people assume because he is from the Congo. Unless someone has some evidence other than that he looks older this should be regarded as nonsense. Otherwise, why arent we questioning Lebrons age? He looked 30 when he was 18.

Lowe just tried to throw that age nonsense out there after Lamar backed him in a corner about him being statistically the best rim protector.

I don't think he is throwing things against the wall. The rumors about his age have gone back to before he was drafted. The fact that people in the NBA also believe he is older than he is should hold some weight as well. It doesn't matter how Biz grew up in the Congo, hell if his parents were diplomats that would make it even easier to forge whatever needs to be done. I have no clue if he is older, I have no evidence, but to just throw it aside isn't smart. It has to be in the thought process of decisions in the future. A 21 year old project is a lot different than a 24 year old project. It can't just be dismissed because you don't have enough proof that he is or isn't, that is when you become ignorant towards your future.

It's easy to look at Biz and tell that he's that young. He even got little brothers that look their age. I see teens that look 25 years old everyday but that don't mean that they are. Saying that Biz is older because he's from Africa is I'm not gonna say racist but very prejudice and stereotyping. Like I said it's just distasteful. Lowe took a L on that one.

[KembaWalker]

Noah looks older than Bismack to me. Lowe is usually pretty on point but he looks pathetic here. You don't hear this crap about other players in similar circumstances. Maybe Luol Dengs effectiveness is plumetting because he's secretly already 35. hurr

[Braggins]

I dont believe the age rumours at all. He was tested by doctors in Spain when he was allegedly 16 and they concluded he was 16-17 at most. Also, Im pretty sure one of his parents is a diplomat or something to that effect. At the very least he was born into a respected and educated family (he speaks like 6 languages) and wasnt born in the jungle or something like people assume because he is from the Congo. Unless someone has some evidence other than that he looks older this should be regarded as nonsense. Otherwise, why arent we questioning Lebrons age? He looked 30 when he was 18.

Lowe just tried to throw that age nonsense out there after Lamar backed him in a corner about him being statistically the best rim protector.

I don't think he is throwing things against the wall. The rumors about his age have gone back to before he was drafted. The fact that people in the NBA also believe he is older than he is should hold some weight as well. It doesn't matter how Biz grew up in the Congo, hell if his parents were diplomats that would make it even easier to forge whatever needs to be done. I have no clue if he is older, I have no evidence, but to just throw it aside isn't smart. It has to be in the thought process of decisions in the future. A 21 year old project is a lot different than a 24 year old project. It can't just be dismissed because you don't have enough proof that he is or isn't, that is when you become ignorant towards your future.

Believing rumors or giving them weight despite there being absolutely no evidence to back them up isnt smart. Disregarding them is the only rational thing to do. There have also been rumors for a long time that our current President was born in Kenya and many people believe this with absolute certainty. Am I not smart for disregarding those rumors?

[Elden Payton]

Lowe just tried to throw that age nonsense out there after Lamar backed him in a corner about him being statistically the best rim protector.

I don't think he is throwing things against the wall. The rumors about his age have gone back to before he was drafted. The fact that people in the NBA also believe he is older than he is should hold some weight as well. It doesn't matter how Biz grew up in the Congo, hell if his parents were diplomats that would make it even easier to forge whatever needs to be done. I have no clue if he is older, I have no evidence, but to just throw it aside isn't smart. It has to be in the thought process of decisions in the future. A 21 year old project is a lot different than a 24 year old project. It can't just be dismissed because you don't have enough proof that he is or isn't, that is when you become ignorant towards your future.

It's easy to look at Biz and tell that he's that young. He even got little brothers that look their age. I see teens that look 25 years old everyday but that don't mean that they are. Saying that Biz is older because he's from Africa is I'm not gonna say racist but very prejudice and stereotyping. Like I said it's just distasteful. Lowe took a L on that one.

Well said Catch.

I'ma huge Lowe fan, but he looks like a douche here.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Zach Lowe and Alex Kennedy are 2 of the only NBA reporters/writers that will directly respond to you

Rick Bonnell is always ready to call you a drunkard if you are in the mood for a twitter conversation with him.

That's me!

Lucky you, he just blocked me.

Biz's age has always been an estimation, he may not be 21 but I really doubt he's 25. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle. I do think it's kinda weak to throw that out there and then conveniently walk out of the conversation without presenting anything concrete.

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[vorbis]

I actually think his development year to year is more important than the number on his birth certificate. Hornets will have all the power in the world to move on from Biyombo after this season, no matter what age he is.

his development has been in fits and starts (to be kind) over his first three seasons. just glancing at his per game numbers isn't going to give you useful info. I happen to think he showed significant improvement last season in the areas of the game he was asked to contribute in. part of this was him being given a much more defined and limited role and kept in check.

Clifford has talked about facilitating young players to experience success. next season will be a good update on that progress. if he doesn't get significantly better and still wants big cash as a free agent, then you move on. whether he's 22 or 25 at the end of the season. which is part of why it perplexes me that people keep throwing doubt turds at the wall about the age thing.

[LamarMatic7]

you guys get upset way too quickly.

remember that his isn't said in an article or anything. it's just a tweet and he's simply reporting what the perception on Biz is around the league. after all, he is a reporter.

it's not like he claimed that it is true. he's as good as his sources are and it seems like that's the info he is getting from them.

[KembaWalker]

I dont believe the age rumours at all. He was tested by doctors in Spain when he was allegedly 16 and they concluded he was 16-17 at most. Also, Im pretty sure one of his parents is a diplomat or something to that effect. At the very least he was born into a respected and educated family (he speaks like 6 languages) and wasnt born in the jungle or something like people assume because he is from the Congo. Unless someone has some evidence other than that he looks older this should be regarded as nonsense. Otherwise, why arent we questioning Lebrons age? He looked 30 when he was 18.

Lowe just tried to throw that age nonsense out there after Lamar backed him in a corner about him being statistically the best rim protector.

I don't think he is throwing things against the wall. The rumors about his age have gone back to before he was drafted. The fact that people in the NBA also believe he is older than he is should hold some weight as well. It doesn't matter how Biz grew up in the Congo, hell if his parents were diplomats that would make it even easier to forge whatever needs to be done. I have no clue if he is older, I have no evidence, but to just throw it aside isn't smart. It has to be in the thought process of decisions in the future. A 21 year old project is a lot different than a 24 year old project. It can't just be dismissed because you don't have enough proof that he is or isn't, that is when you become ignorant towards your future.

"People in the NBA" don't exactly have a good track record of knowing what they are talking about. aka speculate all year on Bismack despite doctor reports and x-rays but they can't even figure out the actual year Shabazz Muhammad was born with United States birth records until a month before the draft.

[BlackOutBuzz]

But hey, if the whole league really thinks he's actually 27, then he should be easier to re-sign for cheap.

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[Braggins]

I cant believe Lebron got paid so much considering hes probably 38. Look at his hairline.

[LofJ]

Lowe just tried to throw that age nonsense out there after Lamar backed him in a corner about him being statistically the best rim protector.

I don't think he is throwing things against the wall. The rumors about his age have gone back to before he was drafted. The fact that people in the NBA also believe he is older than he is should hold some weight as well. It doesn't matter how Biz grew up in the Congo, hell if his parents were diplomats that would make it even easier to forge whatever needs to be done. I have no clue if he is older, I have no evidence, but to just throw it aside isn't smart. It has to be in the thought process of decisions in the future. A 21 year old project is a lot different than a 24 year old project. It can't just be dismissed because you don't have enough proof that he is or isn't, that is when you become ignorant towards your future.

"People in the NBA" don't exactly have a good track record of knowing what they are talking about. aka speculate all year on Bismack despite doctor reports and x-rays but they can't even figure out the actual year Shabazz Muhammad was born with United States birth records until a month before the draft.

I'd And1 this several times if I could, that is a damned good point.

[catch20two]

Biz is still on par with but better than 21 year old Ben Wallace!!! Take that, take that!

[EwingSweatsALot]

Africa is shady when it comes to age fraud. They do it in multiple sports(basketball, soccer, etc), through multiple countries in Africa(Senegal, Congo, Sudan, etc). There will always be cause for concern about a player's age when they hail from that continent. The extensiveness of the shadiness of falsified documents and medical reports is rampant. Just google it, it isn't hard to find. It is not stereotyping, it is not prejudice, it is not racist it is just a fact based on past experiences and evidence. A lot of it has to do with the poor record keeping, and documentation of human beings in the countries. Did this happen with Biz? I have no idea. I don't know how old he is. Zach Lowe doesn't know how old he is. NBA execs don't, hell our own doesn't which is probably evident on why Lowe didn't answer Lamar's last question. But speculation, and past instances lead to the belief that Biz just might not be 21. You just can't ignore everything you hear or believe. Especially when different instances have led to the result. You don't have to believe the rumor, but you should at least take it into account especially with other context clues involved. Our FO probably has more evidence or belief on this than anyone else. So to me it does say a lot that Lowe didn't respond. But, I will tell you this. If I was an exec, I would make my decision based on how old I thought he was, not how old it says he is just because of the issues in the past with athletes.

Biz might be 21, or he might be 23 or he might be 25, I don't know. You will never ever know how old he is, but in all honesty, that doesn't matter to me. With the way our franchise is going, he wouldn't be a Hornet after his rookie contract ends, and unless he makes HUGE strides this year I really don't believe he will be.

[Braggins]

Africa is shady when it comes to age fraud. They do it in multiple sports(basketball, soccer, etc), through multiple countries in Africa(Senegal, Congo, Sudan, etc). There will always be cause for concern about a player's age when they hail from that continent. The extensiveness of the shadiness of falsified documents and medical reports is rampant. Just google it, it isn't hard to find. It is not stereotyping, it is not prejudice, it is not racist it is just a fact based on past experiences and evidence. A lot of it has to do with the poor record keeping, and documentation of human beings in the countries. Did this happen with Biz? I have no idea. I don't know how old he is. Zach Lowe doesn't know how old he is. NBA execs don't, hell our own doesn't which is probably evident on why Lowe didn't answer Lamar's last question. But speculation, and past instances lead to the belief that Biz just might not be 21. You just can't ignore everything you hear or believe. Especially when different instances have led to the result. You don't have to believe the rumor, but you should at least take it into account especially with other context clues involved. Our FO probably has more evidence or belief on this than anyone else. So to me it does say a lot that Lowe didn't respond. But, I will tell you this. If I was an exec, I would make my decision based on how old I thought he was, not how old it says he is just because of the issues in the past with athletes.

Biz might be 21, or he might be 23 or he might be 25, I don't know. You will never ever know how old he is, but in all honesty, that doesn't matter to me. With the way our franchise is going, he wouldn't be a Hornet after his rookie contract ends, and unless he makes HUGE strides this year I really don't believe he will be.

Im not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens... Fact, he was tested in Spain when he was allegedly 16 and bone and growth plate tests concluded that he was 16-17 at most and definitely not 18.

[Liver_Pooty]

Lol. Things escalated rather quickly

[Pryftan]

Anyone seen any comments from management as to why Biyombo is not on the summer league roster?