2015-16 Fake Trade Thread

Post #1121 » by **JDR720** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:28 pm

I wouldn't trade for Barnes, he is too much like Batum minus the playmaking.

Post #1122 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:42 pm

We have a bunch of expiring money in lots of movable increments and all our picks. I'm really curious to see if we'll try to poach some assets from teams that have high committed contract levels but are non- or just fringe playoff teams this season (Dallas, Minnesota, Toronto if they struggle, Chicago if they struggle).

It makes sense to me to go that route to try to get out of the FA free for all - I'd rather add a piece via trade that is locked down at a slightly bloated but tolerable salary for 3 years then have to pay the out of control FA premium that is going to be necessary this summer to add any FA that moves the needle.

I don't really have a clear proposal, but if our wing depth is ok without Marvin and we are solidly in the playoff picture around the trade deadline, I can see moving Roberts + Marvin + some pick for a decent asset on a fixed deal.

Mystical Apples · Post #1123 » by **Mystical Apples** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:52 pm

yosemiteben wrote:We have a bunch of expiring money in lots of movable increments and all our picks. I'm really curious to see if we'll try to poach some assets from teams that have high committed contract levels but are non- or just fringe playoff teams this season (Dallas, Minnesota, Toronto if they struggle, Chicago if they struggle).

It makes sense to me to go that route to try to get out of the FA free for all - I'd rather add a piece via trade that is locked down at a slightly bloated but tolerable salary for 3 years then have to pay the out of control FA premium that is going to be necessary this summer to add any FA that moves the needle.

I don't really have a clear proposal, but if our wing depth is ok without Marvin and we are solidly in the playoff picture around the trade deadline, I can see moving Roberts + Marvin + some pick for a decent asset on a fixed deal.

I think this is the smartest move. So many teams will be chasing FA. Also, getting another starter via trade would go a long way in luring a skeptical FA to The Hornets and may be another reason to solidify Batum.

I can see pretty much anyone being traded accept MKG, Kaminsky, and Batum unless he indicates he won't resign.

Post #1124 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:06 pm

I predict that I'm going to be all aboard a Kevin Martin trade this season. Minny doesn't really need him, they aren't trying to win and they have young guards to give minutes too, and he's getting older and doesn't really fit into their plans going forward.

I know his defense might be lacking, but I'd love to have him as a scoring option off the bench or maybe to insert into a lineup with the starters if we need some scoring.

Marvin for KMart + whatever pick is necessary to get it done (shouldn't take much).

HornetJail · Post #1125 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:32 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Hell no to overpaying to keep Barnes, and no way I trade a future unprotected 1st for him. Given all your talk about how pissed you were/are about the Batum trade, I am surprised you are all in on trading for a rental.

MKG is not a big, and I don't want him logging heavy minutes at PF. Situational rotations I'm ok with, but not more than that.

Barnes isn't exactly a "rental". He's a restricted free agent that we could lock up for five more years. His value could also drop a little bit from being here instead of GS, but I do like him as a 2nd or or 3rd option.

Batum can walk if he wants to next summer and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it.

Post #1126 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:36 pm

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Hell no to overpaying to keep Barnes, and no way I trade a future unprotected 1st for him. Given all your talk about how pissed you were/are about the Batum trade, I am surprised you are all in on trading for a rental.

MKG is not a big, and I don't want him logging heavy minutes at PF. Situational rotations I'm ok with, but not more than that.

Barnes isn't exactly a "rental". He's a restricted free agent that we could lock up for five more years. His value could also drop a little bit from being here instead of GS, but I do like him as a 2nd or or 3rd option.

Batum can walk if he wants to next summer and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it.

That's a fair point, but to me it feels about the same when we view the cost to lock him up to be north of $20M per year, which is what I expect.

HornetJail · Post #1127 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:41 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Hell no to overpaying to keep Barnes, and no way I trade a future unprotected 1st for him. Given all your talk about how pissed you were/are about the Batum trade, I am surprised you are all in on trading for a rental.

MKG is not a big, and I don't want him logging heavy minutes at PF. Situational rotations I'm ok with, but not more than that.

Barnes isn't exactly a "rental". He's a restricted free agent that we could lock up for five more years. His value could also drop a little bit from being here instead of GS, but I do like him as a 2nd or or 3rd option.

Batum can walk if he wants to next summer and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it.

That's a fair point, but to me it feels about the same when we view the cost to lock him up to be north of $20M per year, which is what I expect.

idk if it's going to cost $20M. That's the absolute most he'll receive IMO- and that would be if he absolutely kills it in Golden State next year. If he plays out next season here and does well, he probably gets $14M-15M, which I'd do easily. I think he'd fit here.

Post #1128 » by **JDR720** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:51 pm

per 36 stats and some advance stats

player one per 36mins
12.8pts 7.0rbs, 1.8ast on 48/40/72
player one advanced
57.3% TS%, .139 Win shares per 48

player two per 36mins
21.3pts, 6.4rbs, 1.8ast on 49/39/72
player two advanced
55.6% TS% .110 win shares per 48

Post #1129 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:55 pm

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:idk if it's going to cost $20M. That's the absolute most he'll receive IMO- and that would be if he absolutely kills it in Golden State next year. If he plays out next season here and does well, he probably gets $14M-15M, which I'd do easily. I think he'd fit here.

I think we just have very different ideas of his market value. He just turned down $16M. I highly, highly doubt he gets less than that next offseason.

Post #1130 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:56 pm

JDR720 wrote:per 36 stats and some advance stats...

Who is two?

Post #1131 » by **JDR720** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:59 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
JDR720 wrote:per 36 stats and some advance stats...

Who is two?

Shabazz Muhammad.

HornetJail · Post #1132 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:02 pm

JDR720 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
JDR720 wrote:per 36 stats and some advance stats...

Who is two?

Shabazz Muhammad.

Those are pretty good stats, but they are over only 38 games and he played like 20mpg. I don't think they hold up over the course of a season. I would trade for Bazz though.

Post #1133 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:03 pm

Wow, would not have guessed that. Was guessing it was going to be someone with an all star appearance like DeRozan, Interesting.

Braggins · Post #1134 » by **Braggins** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:13 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I predict that I'm going to be all aboard a Kevin Martin trade this season. Minny doesn't really need him, they aren't trying to win and they have young guards to give minutes too, and he's getting older and doesn't really fit into their plans going forward.

I know his defense might be lacking, but I'd love to have him as a scoring option off the bench or maybe to insert into a lineup with the starters if we need some scoring.

Marvin for KMart + whatever pick is necessary to get it done (shouldn't take much).

I'm not a big Martin fan, but I really like this, especially if we are comfortable with Lamb getting minutes at backup SF. Lin, KMart, Lamb, Frank, Hawes, is a lot of shooting off the bench.

I'm also down with the idea of trading out of the cap bananza next season. I would try to leave just enough space for one max contract to throw at Al Horford and to fill out our roster as needed, but I would take on salary up to that point if we could nab some future assets or some undervalued guys that could help us win now.

edit: I'd probably rather have Shabazz from Minny than KMart, but I'd be fine with either.

Post #1135 » by **JDR720** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:16 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Wow, would not have guessed that. Was guessing it was going to be someone with an all star appearance like DeRozan, Interesting.

yep, Shabazz the guy that is considered a disappointment after a lot of people thought he could be the #1 overall pick, just like Barnes in a way. but one of them will probably sign close to a max deal and the other will not. its all about the team they play for, put Shabazz in GS and Barnes in Minnesota and im sure it will be the opposite of what it is now.

Post #1136 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:29 pm

I will say that I remember from HB's recruitment that MJ is like his idol. I bet he'd come here in FA if we wanted him.

LofJ · Post #1137 » by **LofJ** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:33 pm

I'd love to have Shabazz, but we don't have assets we'd be willing to give up that Minnesota would value enough to send him to Charlotte. We'd have to take on Pekovic to get them to talk, and I know that's a big NO from most of you.

Mystical Apples · Post #1138 » by **Mystical Apples** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:39 pm

The biggest holdup to giving anything for Kevin Martin is his age. He'll be 33 and with Minnesota's 2 best pieces being so young, I think they'll want to unload Martin along with Pekovic and Bennett if they can.

Mattya · Post #1139 » by **Mattya** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:00 pm

I'm not sure what to make of Kmart here in Minnesota yet. I like how he played last year significantly more than his first year. He played much harder on defense, still isn't saying much, but the effort was an improvement. I'm a believer in having vets on the team(KG, Miller, and Prince won't be around much longer) and Martin does fill a skill need for us. I see the point for trading him for some value, but I'm also in favor of keeping him long term since we really don't have much room for more long term fits for the value that Martin would bring. I'm not 100% sure, but it seems that he has a player option after this year, which I would fully expect him to opt out of for a longer deal probably around the same price, given some of the deals we have seen the past couple years.

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
JDR720 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Who is two?

Shabazz Muhammad.

Those are pretty good stats, but they are over only 38 games and he played like 20mpg. I don't think they hold up over the course of a season. I would trade for Bazz though.

Its not a big sample size, but when Bazz did get the minutes and was healthy he produced almost identical stats. He needs to show it over a longer stretch, but on top of the stats Wiggins played some of his best basketball last season when he and Bazz both played significant minutes together. So, he probably isn't going anywhere.

Braggins · Post #1140 » by **Braggins** » Sat Oct 3, 2015 6:53 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p7hdrsk

Cho needs to save Clifford from himself.