Fake Trade Thread #5

[JMAC3]

That was my idea when I posted a few Miles trades earlier. I think the Bulls are a prime target, unless they decide to rebuild.

Bulls are a mess right now. Lavine might be dealt to rebuild, which likely means Demar is dealt for cheap at the deadline as an expiring. Vuc is under contract for 3 years, so Chicago could wait until next year to move him.

I really don't think Bridges makes much sense for them unless they are content to let Pat Williams walk (who wants Vassell money) or let Demar expire. If that is the case they may as well wait to make a run at Bridges in FA, unless they think he is just a must have.

Bulls, Warriors, Raptors, Clippers and Sixers are all in limbo. They have a bunch of FA with messy contract decisions that they could just make a move now to avoid a bunch of that uncertainty.

[JMAC3]

Miles Bridges for Jaden Ivey. Miles goes back to Michigan, we get a young dynamic talent on a rookie deal who lost minutes to Kevin Knox last night - yes, Kevin Knox. Zero idea why DET plays Ivey so little (like 19 mins a game) as he passes the eye test with flying colors. Maybe sweeten with a pick.

Detroit has loads of cap space this summer. If they are moving off Ivey I would expect it to be someone they have no chance to sign such as a Lavine. I think we are maybe 3 months early on Ivey panic as its early in the year with a new coach, but it is a situation worth monitoring for sure.

[JMAC3]

That was my idea when I posted a few Miles trades earlier. I think the Bulls are a prime target, unless they decide to rebuild.

Who would we be getting in return from Chicago?

Not LaVine or DeMar.

They just happen to have a few solid depth players that we could use. And I could see them be interested in Miles.

Patrick Williams, career 40% 3pt shooter. Can play SF/PF. Affordable contract (need to resign him though).
Ayo Dosunmu, efficient scorer 50% FG%. Can play PG/SG. Good size for position and should be affordable.

Caruso is an obvious target too, but I think a contender will outbid us for him.

So the idea is to swap Miles for a couple depth pieces that are younger and good fits with who we already have. Ayo is better than our collection of combo guards and Patrick is better than Thor.

Miles probably doesn't have much real trade value, but I put a Siakam trade a couple pages ago too if we want to take a bigger swing.

Pat Williams wants 20-25 million per season. Not saying he gets it, but just know resigning him would be a pain.
I would honestly rather have Miles than Ayo at this point even if a chance Miles walks.

[JustBuzzin]

That was my idea when I posted a few Miles trades earlier. I think the Bulls are a prime target, unless they decide to rebuild.

Who would we be getting in return from Chicago?

Not LaVine or DeMar.

They just happen to have a few solid depth players that we could use. And I could see them be interested in Miles.

Patrick Williams, career 40% 3pt shooter. Can play SF/PF. Affordable contract (need to resign him though).
Ayo Dosunmu, efficient scorer 50% FG%. Can play PG/SG. Good size for position and should be affordable.

Caruso is an obvious target too, but I think a contender will outbid us for him.

So the idea is to swap Miles for a couple depth pieces that are younger and good fits with who we already have. Ayo is better than our collection of combo guards and Patrick is better than Thor.

Miles probably doesn't have much real trade value, but I put a Siakam trade a couple pages ago too if we want to take a bigger swing.

Caruso would be perfect!

He plays winning basketball and would fit right in next to Melo in the backcourt. 3&D guy all hustle and effort. Would love that kind of trade for Bridges.

[amcoolio]

I'd rather have Miles than any Bull besides Lavine. Really our only shot to playoffs right now is if Miles comes back and is the same or better player he was two seasons ago, so why trade him

[Rich4114]

Caruso would be my ideal, possible low cost target right now. Fills like 3 holes at once for us. I think there's also a possibility for a bigger trade with the Bulls if we expand it given they're close to blowing it up.

[fatlever]

mitch really handcuffed us with that owed pick for kai. just such a massive fail all around.
separately, unless we are 90% sure miles will resign and we are confident in his legal troubles being over (impossible now since court moved to feb, near trade deadline) then I'm getting whatever I can for miles at deadline. plenty of contenders will part with a player and a mid/late first pick for a few months of miles in playoffs and his bird rights.

I agree and disagree about Kai. He at least protected it and we didn't give away a top 5 pick, there is a chance that we never even send anything but 2 2nds if we don't make the playoffs the next two years. Obviously, Kai sucked so we lost the trade but I don't think Mitch was all that careless per se.

I don't particularly have an issue with the value we gave up to take a swing at the fence for kai, which will ultimately end up probably being just a couple of second round picks. The tragedy of the situation is not being able to easily trade a future first round pick for several years because it's been tied to this trade. It's probably handicapped our ability to make some moves during the past year or two. And it will continue to handicap our ability to make trades until this pick is conveyed.

It was a huge fail All Around by mitch.

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[fatlever]

I'd rather have Miles than any Bull besides Lavine. Really our only shot to playoffs right now is if Miles comes back and is the same or better player he was two seasons ago, so why trade him

Why trade miles?

1. What are the chances that he would actually resign with the Hornets given the opportunity? Other than him maybe wanting to stick around Charlotte to be close to his kids, and maybe his relationship with lamelo, what reasons would he have for signing here rather than going somewhere like Detroit or LA or somewhere else? What odds are we actually assigning on Miles agreeing to stay in Charlotte if presented with a reasonable offer?

2. How much are you willing to pay for miles? Some of the recent extensions at the deadline really set his value well over 100 million.

3. He's a walking time bomb. I would have a hard time committing 5 years and 130 million towards a player who is literally an inch away from jail and a huge suspension at any moment. It's a massive gamble. And maybe that's a massive gamble that a small franchise like Charlotte has to take.

4. For all parties involved, would it make sense to just have him start over somewhere else?

I just have a hard time envisioning a long-term future for Miles with this franchise.



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[Rich4114]

I'd rather have Miles than any Bull besides Lavine. Really our only shot to playoffs right now is if Miles comes back and is the same or better player he was two seasons ago, so why trade him

Why trade miles?

1. What are the chances that he would actually resign with the Hornets given the opportunity? Other than him maybe wanting to stick around Charlotte to be close to his kids, and maybe his relationship with lamelo, what reasons would he have for signing here rather than going somewhere like Detroit or LA or somewhere else? What odds are we actually assigning on Miles agreeing to stay in Charlotte if presented with a reasonable offer?

2. How much are you willing to pay for miles? Some of the recent extensions at the deadline really set his value well over 100 million.

3. He's a walking time bomb. I would have a hard time committing 5 years and 130 million towards a player who is literally an inch away from jail and a huge suspension at any moment. It's a massive gamble. And maybe that's a massive gamble that a small franchise like Charlotte has to take.

4. For all parties involved, would it make sense to just have him start over somewhere else?

I just have a hard time envisioning a long-term future for Miles with this franchise.



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I think if he plays well, they will give him what they were going to give him pre-incident. Except now, it will need to have a clause in his contract that makes it voidable if he gets into specific type of trouble / jail / arrested / etc. (more than allegations that is). At least if they do decide to sign him, that is what it should be.

[Liver_Pooty]

I don't see us giving 8ball miles a guaranteed contract like that. There would have to be clauses etc involved

[JMAC3]

I'd rather have Miles than any Bull besides Lavine. Really our only shot to playoffs right now is if Miles comes back and is the same or better player he was two seasons ago, so why trade him

Why trade miles?

1. What are the chances that he would actually resign with the Hornets given the opportunity? Other than him maybe wanting to stick around Charlotte to be close to his kids, and maybe his relationship with lamelo, what reasons would he have for signing here rather than going somewhere like Detroit or LA or somewhere else? What odds are we actually assigning on Miles agreeing to stay in Charlotte if presented with a reasonable offer?

2. How much are you willing to pay for miles? Some of the recent extensions at the deadline really set his value well over 100 million.

3. He's a walking time bomb. I would have a hard time committing 5 years and 130 million towards a player who is literally an inch away from jail and a huge suspension at any moment. It's a massive gamble. And maybe that's a massive gamble that a small franchise like Charlotte has to take.

4. For all parties involved, would it make sense to just have him start over somewhere else?

I just have a hard time envisioning a long-term future for Miles with this franchise.

For all these same reasons also makes the team acquiring him probably not willing to offer much for him. We are probably getting 50% of his value.

He also only makes 8 million, so that limits the quality of player you are probably receiving back right away.

Unless he specifically says he doesn't want to be back then I probably am just risking it based on the return we can get.

[yosemiteben]

Agree with JMAC, no team is going to be more confident than us in betting on Miles given our history with him. If we're dumping him, no one else is going to make a big bet.

[JMAC3]

I am in wait and see mode when it comes to make a splashy trade. I need to see more from Miller before I start trying to piece guys around him, his defense seems pretty solid thus far but still not sure if I want him at 2 or 3 longterm.

For Instance, Lavine. I just don't know if I am all that interested in paying top dollar for him without knowing much about Miller and where Miles is. I am more in the make a small depth move this year and then maybe come draft time I will be ready to make the signature trade that we are putting all our eggs in.

[Bassman]

I am in wait and see mode when it comes to make a splashy trade. I need to see more from Miller before I start trying to piece guys around him, his defense seems pretty solid thus far but still not sure if I want him at 2 or 3 longterm.

For Instance, Lavine. I just don't know if I am all that interested in paying top dollar for him without knowing much about Miller and where Miles is. I am more in the make a small depth move this year and then maybe come draft time I will be ready to make the signature trade that we are putting all our eggs in.

Yeah, with Lavine officially on the block it creates a moment of desire until you look back at that contract. YIKES!

[Rich4114]

Lavine isn't really a good fit for our roster IMO but you can't deny his scoring ability. I'd actually rather have DeRozen but I guess he'd be swapped out for Hayward if that happened and I'm not sure why either team would do that. We need Caruso or Ayo from the Bulls, those are ideal targets or buy low on Pat Williams while you can.

[JMAC3]

Lavine isn't really a good fit for our roster IMO but you can't deny his scoring ability. I'd actually rather have DeRozen but I guess he'd be swapped out for Hayward if that happened and I'm not sure why either team would do that. We need Caruso or Ayo from the Bulls, those are ideal targets or buy low on Pat Williams while you can.

If the Bulls are trading Lavine. They are trading Demar. I can see them moving Caruso for a first and a player.

Probably not trading 23 year old Ayo and 22 year old Pat Williams. If they are rebuilding they will keep their young guys and especially with all the old guys mins available.

[JMAC3]

Side bar: good on the Bulls.

They already had Caruso, Lavine, Demarr, Dalen Terry, Ball then signed Carter. Our dumb FO would have said can't sign another guard and let Ayo walk. Bulls now have a ton of depth and trading 1 or 2 of these guards doesn't completely destroy their guard rotation.

Hornets could of made a run at Ayo and offered him 3/30 on MLE. He signed back with Bulls on 3/21. So trading assets for him makes even less sense.

[Rich4114]

Side bar: good on the Bulls.

They already had Caruso, Lavine, Demarr, Dalen Terry, Ball then signed Carter. Our dumb FO would have said can't sign another guard and let Ayo walk. Bulls now have a ton of depth and trading 1 or 2 of these guards doesn't completely destroy their guard rotation.

Hornets could of made a run at Ayo and offered him 3/30 on MLE. He signed back with Bulls on 3/21. So trading assets for him makes even less sense.

This just reminds me how terrible Mitch was in free agency. One or two very low cost moves could've made the difference between playoffs and no playoffs this season. We'll see if it truly burns him by the end, so far it's looking like it will since this 10 game opening stretch was pretty easy and we should've been 5-5 or 6-4.

[Rich4114]

Lavine isn't really a good fit for our roster IMO but you can't deny his scoring ability. I'd actually rather have DeRozen but I guess he'd be swapped out for Hayward if that happened and I'm not sure why either team would do that. We need Caruso or Ayo from the Bulls, those are ideal targets or buy low on Pat Williams while you can.

If the Bulls are trading Lavine. They are trading Demar. I can see them moving Caruso for a first and a player.

Probably not trading 23 year old Ayo and 22 year old Pat Williams. If they are rebuilding they will keep their young guys and especially with all the old guys mins available.

Without looking at how to match salaries (another issue we have right now btw) I would happily give up a future first (if we had one to give up, protected of course) + a player for Caruso.

We also need a front court player, maybe two.

Here's an interesting scenario - acquire DeRozan and move Terry. We then have two huge expirings this summer while being really competitive this season. I imagine if Bulls blow it up, they want young prospects and/or picks for DeRozan. We have plenty of young prospects, but then using Terry to match salaries probably only works if he's going to a third team.

[JMAC3]

Lavine isn't really a good fit for our roster IMO but you can't deny his scoring ability. I'd actually rather have DeRozen but I guess he'd be swapped out for Hayward if that happened and I'm not sure why either team would do that. We need Caruso or Ayo from the Bulls, those are ideal targets or buy low on Pat Williams while you can.

If the Bulls are trading Lavine. They are trading Demar. I can see them moving Caruso for a first and a player.

Probably not trading 23 year old Ayo and 22 year old Pat Williams. If they are rebuilding they will keep their young guys and especially with all the old guys mins available.

Without looking at how to match salaries (another issue we have right now btw) I would happily give up a future first (if we had one to give up, protected of course) + a player for Caruso.

We also need a front court player, maybe two.

Here's an interesting scenario - acquire DeRozan and move Terry. We then have two huge expirings this summer while being really competitive this season. I imagine if Bulls blow it up, they want young prospects and/or picks for DeRozan. We have plenty of young prospects, but then using Terry to match salaries probably only works if he's going to a third team.

We are last in NBA in threes, not sure adding Derozan to the mix over Terry really helps with that issue. Plus the whole thing with Bulls rebuilding I think they will value picks and expirings, not someone like Terry who is owed big boy bucks for 3 years.