Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[TTNN]

I'd say Lin has an inconsistent approach to offensive activity and confidence. Whether Kemba is shooting 1-12 or 10-12 there is a certain consistency in his approach to the game. He's always confident and active.

When you don't know how long you have your coach's trust, it is hard to have that confidence. To Kemba, he shooting 1-12 or 10-12 does not really affect his play time, or his role on this team, he don't really need to think about it, he just need to try his best. Other players play around him.

Lin never got that luxury. He could not take shots from Kemba or Batum if he is not efficient, he could not take touch from Kemba or Batum if he is not making good plays, he could not take shots from Lamb even, he don't even know when he will get his touch, it could come unexpectedly. And if he could not pick his spot correct, if he could not get ready all the time, he will not get his play time. He was playing from 15 min a game to 30 min a game, randomly, you address game differently when you play 15 min vs. 30 min.

I just feel you ask Lin to be consistent as Kemba, especially mentally is not really fair. You either give him consistent min consistent role, then ask him to be consistent. Or you give him random minutes, and ever changing role, then you get what you have, don't ask for consistency, period.

[bws94]

I just don't agree with Lin having an inconsistent role on Charlotte. He is the leader of the 2nd team and the tertiary facilitator when in with Kemba and Batum. That's consistent. He now comes in between 4/3 minutes in 1st and 3rd as SG with Kemba, Batum goes off and he's SG with Kemba, PG with both Kemba/Batum off, stays PG when Batum goes back, slides over to SG when Kemba comes back and sometimes stays in the game for the rest of the half or game. What's inconsistent about that? Clifford says he wants to use Lin in both positions which is what he's doing. Lin is also often the closer of the games so he's prepared to be called. If matchups dictate, someone else is in the game at times. That's normal usage of a 2nd team player.

[yosemiteben]

I feel like Lin is being used exactly as our coaching staff and FO said he would when he was signed - 2nd string PG that often plays alongside Kemba in the closing group. He hasn't had dramatic shifts in his usage or in what is being asked of him.

[phillycheese]

Charlotte has multiple playmakers with Lin, Kemba and Batum. With Hawes and Kaminsky also good and willing passers, the team is built for a free flowing offense. Therefore, having a point guard pound the rock until a play develops (ie see Rondo for Sacramento) is not how Coach wants Lin to play. Therefore, we see a few dribbles and then the rock moves ad hopefully it doesn't see the floor again until it's in the basket. Within this type of offense, having one player with double digit assists will be difficult, but having multiple guys with 4 or more assists will be the norm. Having all these touches on offense means guys will be more intent on D. We see teams with free flowing offenses can also have very good defenses (eg Spurs, GSW, Atlanta and Boston). Hopefully, the first team can get more flow offensively, but that means Kemba has to want to move the ball faster, or have Batum take on more playmaking as his natural instinct is to move the ball quickly.

[bigbob]

I couldn't believe they let batuum take the shot in the clutch last night against boston. If you watch any basketball, you would know the man tanks in the clutch consistently. His clutch percentage is abysmall, and im a bit surprised that coach cliff would let batuum take that one shot to be honest. Has he not seen any videos of batuum dissapearing act on the blazers in close games. Don't get me wrong, Batuum is probably the best hornet on the teeam, without a shadow of a doubt. He is better than kemba and after this season, hopefully the hornets can retain him. However, they need to accept that batuum is not clutch, he chokes hard and makes dumb plays. I almost threw my remote at the TV when hawes passed the ball to batuum for the final play.

The only player I know of on the hornets, who is consistent in the clutch is probably Jeremy Lin. Hes proved it 5 years in a row, theres even statistics backing it up. Houston rockets coach, McHale was absolutely shameless about using Jeremy Lin in the clutch. He did it in post season games against the blazers multiple times and I believe almost every OT game in that series (I think there was 4 OT games) with Lin in it, the rockets ended up winning, the one OT game they didn't play him they lost. He combined for half the points in the crunch, a pretty ridiculous stat. This is something batuum of all people should be well aware of, as he was always on the wrong end of that shtick, getting owned. Can't believe he would take a shot from so deep with Lin a few feet away from him, completely open.

On the topic of clutch, id have to give the best clutch player in the NBA award, that I ever witnessed to Ray Allen...the man has ice in his veins. It doesn't matter if you have a 7 footer with 2 hands in his face, Ray will get that shot in. Paul Pierce is also pretty high up there, another monster in the clutch.

[jcmouse]

Lin maybe good at making shoot in the clutch but not making decision. His turnover that allowed the Blazers to tie the game is ...

[phillycheese]

Lin maybe good at making shoot in the clutch but not making decision. His turnover that allowed the Blazers to tie the game is ...

...not what lost the game since Beverley had a turnover in the overtime that was effectively the last nail in the coffin.

[bigbob]

Lin maybe good at making shoot in the clutch but not making decision. His turnover that allowed the Blazers to tie the game is ...

I agree with that, he made some dumb decisions lol, but when you think about it he was in the league only 2 years back then. I can't believe McHale would let a rookie without much playoff experience to handle the ball. He's worked and improved his handles alot the past 2 years though, i don't think he would make the same mistakes as before.

[13th Man]

Lin maybe good at making shoot in the clutch but not making decision. His turnover that allowed the Blazers to tie the game is ...

...not what lost the game since Beverley had a turnover in the overtime that was effectively the last nail in the coffin.

Yep, Lin's TO in that game was the most overblown ever, no one game is decided on one play.

Lin's TO ratio this season is the lowest in his career so he's improving in that area. Last several games his decision making has been pretty good, often penetrating the lane and dishing it off nicely.

[Teddyb]

Lin maybe good at making shoot in the clutch but not making decision. His turnover that allowed the Blazers to tie the game is ...

Yea if you make a mistake in a clutch situation you will never be clutch.....Like Kbe Bryants missing 14 of the last 15 game winners/....CLUTCH

[TTNN]

Lin maybe good at making shoot in the clutch but not making decision. His turnover that allowed the Blazers to tie the game is ...

This single TO must be the most talked about TO for any player. That single TO got to define this said player's decision making for his whole career. And we are talking about one TO that was in a game 2 seasons ago, 2 teams ago.

That exact TO was caused by a steal with opponent player stepped out of bound but not called, results in a team tie the game, and after that there is a full 5 min OT game to play, which is conveniently ignored. And the team star player was shooting at 42% FG and 27% 3pts, yet taking 21 shots, with 5 TOs the whole game, all has nothing to do with the lost, every single starters were with negative +/- has nothing to do with the lost. Yet Lin's one TO is the cause of the game, he got throw under the bus by his coach, and got chewed on by team's fans for 2 seasons, two teams.

Then talking about that decision making, Lin did not call the time out after he fight for a defensive rebound, thus results in the steal. There are 5 players on the floor, plus the head coach, total 6 people could call the time out, NO ONE did it, not even the coach. And yes, that's totally on Lin! He had bad decision making, which cause the team a game.

That's ridiculous!

[lin is ok]

Lin maybe good at making shoot in the clutch but not making decision. His turnover that allowed the Blazers to tie the game is ...

Haha at least lin got them 2 wins , clutchfans actually booed and heckled lin becuase of this, ok this is how lin repsoned. He dominated that very game so nuch that team brought out their 3rd stringers. Go watch another game in in that series , were lin recovers hardens total fail of an iso and passes to yes pur troy daniels for the winning shot. 2 wins in the finals due to lin. Ok i am not saying lin is the savoir of the world or goat. But this is what happened.

[lin is ok]

Lin maybe good at making shoot in the clutch but not making decision. His turnover that allowed the Blazers to tie the game is ...

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[eladamrine]

This is probably one of the best scouting reports on Jeremy Lin:

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/2al1r5/lakers_scouting_reports_jeremy_lin/

It is quite date (July 2014) but it accurately captures Lin's playstyle as well as strengths and weaknesses. I'd add that Lin is being coached into a more role player role. Working on his defense and 3 point shot is part of increasing his value while he isn't the main facilitator on the floor. This is important because Jeremy Lin will not be the main facilitator on any team in the foreseeable future. PGs are a deep field and Lin's 'perceived value' as a player is not high enough to get a starting role or be a franchise player. I say perceived because I do think Lin's Asian American heritage would likely hurt his real value. There is no precedent to compare Lin to - so owners will be risk adverse about targeting Lin as a possible star on their team. That is especially brutal for Lin's play style - namely that he requires the ball. He isn't someone you can just insert into any team and he'll make that team better - not like Kawhi for example. He needs to play under a certain system - high pace, PnR, PG dominated etc. strategy. That requires teams to invest enormous effort and resources to accommodate Jeremy Lin's style of play. After this enormous effort, they dont get a certain all star player, but a possible all star player. I think basic frugality says having Lin is a bad investment. No one wants to be the GM who ruined their team by taking a chance on an Asian kid who was a bust. The risk over weighs the promise of reward.

However, I think Jeremy Lin is playing under his potential at Charlotte. He has the reigns of the 2nd unit but there are no bigs (PF/C) who command enough of a threat to make Lin's PnRs deadly. There are no athletic bigs who can pluck the ball out of the air from a lob and finish. This goes back to Lin's style needing people who can run PnRs. Not necessarily skilled but athletic bigs like Ed Davis, like Tyson Chandler etc. I'm not one of those people that think Lin is an All Star in hiding, but I can see factors which limit his playstyle. On the other hand, you can say that about anyone in the league - X or Y would get 5ppg more if they had a interior player that opened the floor up etc. The point would depend on how much better Jeremy Lin can play with ideal settings - what is his upside? I think that's greatly hidden. A good deal of people say its somewhere in between Lakers Lin and Linsanity Lin. I don't know, but I think its hard seeing his upside surpass his risk and his required investment.

[gafun]

Lin maybe good at making shoot in the clutch but not making decision. His turnover that allowed the Blazers to tie the game is ...

Some people do not remember their star players missing game wining shots, but they cannot forget Lin's one mistake for tiring a game. He was just a backup, he caused the game tied, he did not cause the game. If you could not count on their two superstars lead the team in overtime, they should let Lin take a charge like what he did in the game after - he led to team to win the playoff game.


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[ChokeFasncists]

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The Trojan Horse!

However, I think Jeremy Lin is playing under his potential at Charlotte. He has the reigns of the 2nd unit but there are no bigs (PF/C) who command enough of a threat to make Lin's PnRs deadly. There are no athletic bigs who can pluck the ball out of the air from a lob and finish.

It's good for him to figure out how to thrive in different situations.

Haha at least lin got them 2 wins , clutchfans actually booed and heckled lin becuase of this

The hateful CFasncistic website. Of course. It's not a normal situation.

He was just a backup, If you could not count on their two superstars lead the team in overtime,

That was totally a disastrous mistake by McDumbBell. He pampered those two by benching Lin. It was a massive failure. Wasn't gonna last long for sure. Lin has shown his D is totally legit. They can't just have Haren do everything on offense and can expect good things to happen long term. Once the bad things that sorta work become habit, it's tough to change. Lin and Dwight would have been a great combo. Dwight ain't that bright, he thinks he's Shaq/Dream, he's not, and it's actually a different era now. Grow up! It's too late now.

[cw3k]

Lin maybe good at making shoot in the clutch but not making decision. His turnover that allowed the Blazers to tie the game is ...

...not what lost the game since Beverley had a turnover in the overtime that was effectively the last nail in the coffin.

Or allowed DPOY Harden in the game when they definitely need a stop has nothing to do it

[lin is ok]

Ok lets chill on the mchale and harden bashing , dont want to get infected by the clutchfans haterade . Life is beautiful . Hornets are looking good . Lin is looking ok.

[tonman]

Lin maybe good at making shoot in the clutch but not making decision. His turnover that allowed the Blazers to tie the game is ...

I agree with that, he made some dumb decisions lol, but when you think about it he was in the league only 2 years back then. I can't believe McHale would let a rookie without much playoff experience to handle the ball. He's worked and improved his handles alot the past 2 years though, i don't think he would make the same mistakes as before.

who was he going to let handle the ball?

[kinein]

Lin maybe good at making shoot in the clutch but not making decision. His turnover that allowed the Blazers to tie the game is ...

The first mistake you made was ignoring Beverlys TO afterwards.


Game 3
But your ignoring that he was also the reason why Daniels hit that game-winner after Harden lost the ball, only Lin's hustle and also awareness, where to go with the ball and what to do after that decisive save made that possible.

You also ignore his impact on opposing teams:

Game 5
The Trail Blazers said the two shots Lin hit as the shot clock expired were deflating.

"He threw up some crazy shots," Lillard said. "That's when you know a guy is having a good night. They would put one up at the end of so many good defensive possessions, and it's going in. That let you know what kind of night it was."

Lin also hit two big jump shots, including a three-pointer, just before the shot clock buzzer. They were major dagger shots for the Blazers after they played 23 seconds of tough defense.

“Those were two big momentum plays for them and kind of took a little bit out of us,” Blazers coach Terry Stotts said. “Both those plays we had a good defensive stand and then he throws it up at the end.”

Just as you take away, you must give credit where its due. Every player in the NBA has had a bad shot or bad moment.


Lets not forget, the Lin led bench in the last game, this past week the bench outscored the opposing teams 34-10. Lin also created much of the situation where the Hornets had more than 8 minutes of bonus in the 4th Qtr by wrecking havoc on the other teams Defensive plans.

Lin and the team are getting better and better.

You may live in the past with some commentary on teams that don't exist as a unit anymore but the rest of us are in the NBA 2015-2016 season.