2011 Draft Prospect Thread

ohara · Post #1161 » by **ohara** » Sun May 8, 2011 12:22 pm

Jones was not likely to go before us at #9 anyway. But it does take away from who will be there at #19, so it does hurt a bit.

Post #1162 » by **BigSlam** » Sun May 8, 2011 1:07 pm

Tobias Harris and Reggie Jackson are staying in the draft.

Post #1163 » by **BigSlam** » Sun May 8, 2011 1:10 pm

Chris Singleton is staying in too.

bobcats3wallace · Post #1164 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Sun May 8, 2011 1:59 pm

I would rather Jordan Hamilton to Kawhi Leonard. In Fact I think I would rather Hamilton to Jones anyway, so this isn't huge news for me. If we decide to go big with the 9 pick, then we better hope Tobias Harris is still there at 19. I doubt he will be though. I do like Reggie Jackson with the 19th pick though. I've come around on him and his ability to be a combo guard. No doubt he is a great scorer and a very good 3 point shooter. He has talent, and we need guys like that. Plus with the size of Liv it gives us the chance to play Liv and Jackson together and not loose much height wise. Hamilton and Jackson are my votes for our two picks. Then Kieth Benson with the 2ndr ound pick. That would be a good draft in my eyes.

What would be the pro's of Kawhi Leonard in the NBA?

dmutombo321 · Post #1165 » by **dmutombo321** » Sun May 8, 2011 3:40 pm

BigSlam wrote:
hotrod wrote:TerrenceJones1 Terrence Jones
I've been enjoying being a college player & plan on striving to reach my goal of winning #8 here at UK. I can't leave the BBN just yet

Draft just got a little weaker.

OUCH!!!!

Yeah, this one hurt. This is shaping up to be one of the weakest drafts in recent memory. It wasnt particularly strong to begin with and now theres no Barnes, Sullinger, PJones, TJones, etc. I dont see many players available to us with either of the picks who will be difference makers and certainly dont see any starters.

The instant gratification crowd may not like to hear this but I wouldnt be opposed to trying to deal both picks for a top-5 protected selecton next year. There may be some impatient teams outthere foolish enough to do it for the sole sake of getting selections a year sooner.

Post #1166 » by **BigSlam** » Sun May 8, 2011 9:59 pm

Let's say the Lakers were willing to trade:

Gasol
for
Diaw, Diop and #19

would you do it?

Post #1167 » by **fatlever** » Sun May 8, 2011 10:12 pm

BigSlam wrote:Let's say the Lakers were willing to trade:

Gasol
for
Diaw, Diop and #19

would you do it?

absolutely. i dont think he is washed up. had a bad series. something was not right with him in this series, maybe with the entire locker room. but i think its mental on physical deterioration of skills. plus, we give up basically nothing to get him.

Post #1168 » by **BigSlam** » Sun May 8, 2011 10:20 pm

fatlever wrote:
BigSlam wrote:Let's say the Lakers were willing to trade:

Gasol
for
Diaw, Diop and #19

would you do it?

absolutely. i dont think he is washed up. had a bad series. something was not right with him in this series, maybe with the entire locker room. but i think its mental on physical deterioration of skills. plus, we give up basically nothing to get him.

Would it be the right time to bring in a guy like Gasol though? Is he enough to put us over the top - and by that, I mean help us get to at least the conference finals?

Because he has 18.7, 19.0 and 19.2 mil a year coming to him over the next three seasons so that would pretty much cripple our ability to spend.

bobcats3wallace · Post #1169 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Sun May 8, 2011 11:55 pm

That's an interesting proposition. If you don't consider salary, I'm sure anyone would do that trade. However, fact of the matter is Pau Gasol is getting paid the type of money of a guy who carries teams. He simply is not that guy. He is a nice supporting piece, but he is not THE guy. Not to mention he is 30 and is showing signs of slowing down, especially on defense. If you look at just talent, the trade benefits us. However if you look at the big picture it probably hurts us. Now is not the time to trade for an aging star. I would keep our expiring in Diaw, keep Diop and actually play him next year, and keep that pick. Those 3 things are more valuable to us, at this stage in what were trying to do, than Gasol and his contract.

It will be interesting to see how the Lakers shake things up though. They will likely trade one of Pau or Andrew. We have had previous interest in Andrew, supposedly, and that IS the type of guy we coudl throw stuff at. He is young with lots of years left. If Bynum gets put on the block, that IS a guy I would throw draft picks and expirings at.

Jaruff · Post #1170 » by **Jaruff** » Mon May 9, 2011 1:11 am

bobcats3wallace wrote:That's an interesting proposition. If you don't consider salary, I'm sure anyone would do that trade. However, fact of the matter is Pau Gasol is getting paid the type of money of a guy who carries teams. He simply is not that guy. He is a nice supporting piece, but he is not THE guy. Not to mention he is 30 and is showing signs of slowing down, especially on defense. If you look at just talent, the trade benefits us. However if you look at the big picture it probably hurts us. Now is not the time to trade for an aging star. I would keep our expiring in Diaw, keep Diop and actually play him next year, and keep that pick. Those 3 things are more valuable to us, at this stage in what were trying to do, than Gasol and his contract.

It will be interesting to see how the Lakers shake things up though. They will likely trade one of Pau or Andrew. We have had previous interest in Andrew, supposedly, and that IS the type of guy we coudl throw stuff at. He is young with lots of years left. If Bynum gets put on the block, that IS a guy I would throw draft picks and expirings at.

On one hand I love Bynum (cheap player, Oakley would do wonders with him) but on the other hand, he's fragile. I don't want the FO to make the same mistake twice (building the team around a gimpy guy).

Marvel · Post #1171 » by **Marvel** » Mon May 9, 2011 1:12 am

^Nah i wouldn't trade for Gasol, basically because of what bobcatswallace said. Salary + he's not a guy that can carry a team or lead a team in this league. He has 4 guaranteed years remaining on his contract, he's on the downside of 30. And i'm pretty confident Pau would hate it if he came here anyway, from a championship caliber team to a lottery team. It simply won't work. In fact i'd avoid him like the plague.

SWedd523 · Post #1172 » by **SWedd523** » Mon May 9, 2011 1:23 am

Too much money for an old guy. No need to invest all of that into one player when we clearly don't have the supporting cast to make anything of it. Stick to the young guys and try and hit lighting in the draft.

Snidely FC · Post #1173 » by **Snidely FC** » Mon May 9, 2011 1:38 am

bobcats3wallace wrote:What would be the pro's of Kawhi Leonard in the NBA?

From what I saw in the tournament, Leonard is low risk from the standpoint he will contribute in willfulness, physicality, rebounding, leadership. He likes to palm the ball it looks like a pea in his huge mitts, which seem to have glue on them. HOWEVER, to me he looked like a PF. Yes he spent offensive sets on the wing, but seemed stiff, his willfulness and power better suited near the basket. He will be an asset to a team, but would not be my first choice on the wing. Like you, I'd grab Jordan Hamilton.

Additional notes on Leonard . . .

"Leonard is a man. He has huge hands, goes after the ball with tremendous will and plays with an unyielding persistence. In short, Leonard plays hard, and he plays hard all the time. Try going to the gym without seeing Leonard there. He loves to play, and that is contagious. Leonard shames his teammates into working harder and wanting more and does so without having to say a word about it. His example says it all." - Jay Bilas, "Respect Is Earned With These Players." http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college ... id=6131081

And . . .

+/- avg. leaders NCAA '11
Kawhi Leonard ranks above Derrick Williams, Brandon Knight, Jordan Hamilton see list here http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/stats/ ... =2010-2011

SWedd523 · Post #1174 » by **SWedd523** » Mon May 9, 2011 1:56 am

Snidely FC wrote:He loves to play, and that is contagious. Leonard shames his teammates into working harder and wanting more and does so without having to say a word about it. His example says it all.

That says it all for me. When you're picking this late in a historically weak draft, you want to pick guys you know will work their butts off to make themselves and their teammates better. Guys like that make the entire team better and are fantastic teammates.

ohara · Post #1175 » by **ohara** » Mon May 9, 2011 11:43 am

SWEDD523 wrote:
Snidely FC wrote:He loves to play, and that is contagious. Leonard shames his teammates into working harder and wanting more and does so without having to say a word about it. His example says it all.

That says it all for me. When you're picking this late in a historically weak draft, you want to pick guys you know will work their butts off to make themselves and their teammates better. Guys like that make the entire team better and are fantastic teammates.

Both very well said. A player like this makes the entire team better.

Bassman · Post #1176 » by **Bassman** » Mon May 9, 2011 12:48 pm

Snidely FC wrote:
bobcats3wallace wrote:What would be the pro's of Kawhi Leonard in the NBA?

From what I saw in the tournament, Leonard is low risk from the standpoint he will contribute in willfulness, physicality, rebounding, leadership. He likes to palm the ball it looks like a pea in his huge mitts, which seem to have glue on them. HOWEVER, to me he looked like a PF. Yes he spent offensive sets on the wing, but seemed stiff, his willfulness and power better suited near the basket. He will be an asset to a team, but would not be my first choice on the wing. Like you, I'd grab Jordan Hamilton.

Additional notes on Leonard . . .

"Leonard is a man. He has huge hands, goes after the ball with tremendous will and plays with an unyielding persistence. In short, Leonard plays hard, and he plays hard all the time. Try going to the gym without seeing Leonard there. He loves to play, and that is contagious. Leonard shames his teammates into working harder and wanting more and does so without having to say a word about it. His example says it all." - Jay Bilas, "Respect Is Earned With These Players." http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college ... id=6131081

And . . .

+/- avg. leaders NCAA '11
Kawhi Leonard ranks above Derrick Williams, Brandon Knight, Jordan Hamilton see list here http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/stats/ ... =2010-2011

I'm cool with either of those guys at 19. Ironic how the breakdown of Leonard's game sounds identical to Gerald's (they even use a comparison to Wallace on NBADraft.net).

At 9, I'm hoping a clear high-potential player falls to us; otherwise I want one of the Morris twins. Marcus has the better offensive game but can he play the 3 at the pro level (too slow defensively). Markieff has true size at the 4 and can bang/rebound.score down low, so I'm leaning to him. Do not want Fredette (Ammo deux), and as good as Kemba is, he's another midget PG. Burks is interesting, but I just don't know about that guy...

Post #1177 » by **BigSlam** » Mon May 9, 2011 1:17 pm

Lenard reminds me more of Ronnie Brewer than he does of Gerald Wallace.

ohara · Post #1178 » by **ohara** » Mon May 9, 2011 1:59 pm

BigSlam wrote:Lenard reminds me more of Ronnie Brewer than he does of Gerald Wallace.

Wow! That's kinda a big drop off there. You really are not too fond of Leonard are you?

Post #1179 » by **BigSlam** » Mon May 9, 2011 4:10 pm

ohara wrote:
BigSlam wrote:Leonard reminds me more of Ronnie Brewer than he does of Gerald Wallace.

Wow! That's kinda a big drop off there. You really are not too fond of Leonard are you?

I am - I like him and it wasn't really meant as a knock on Leonard. I just think that Leonard has better handles than Wallace and MUCH better court vision than Wallace.

He actually played point forward a lot last season for San Diego. I couldn't imagine Wallace ever really playing point forward.

Don't get me wrong, I do see the aspects of his game that remind of Wallace - the rebounding and intensity for sure - but I think he is more Brewer than Wallace.

Problably 80% Brewer and 20% Wallace - if you know what I mean?

doc.end · Post #1180 » by **doc.end** » Mon May 9, 2011 4:22 pm

Not sure about Gasol. He is clearly better than Diaw+Diop+No.19. However his contract lasts till 2014, that is a bit too long. I can't see it but his contract may evolve into one of those unmoveable albatrosses. If it was shorter, I would be much more willing to do that. I would like him as a trading chip as quality (so far) is there, maybe in exchange for Howard if that scenario would copme through. Then again he would make us instantly better and thus I would fear we might be too good to make play offs and lose our pick to Chicago in next year strong draft. That I would like to avoid. i don't know what his market value is right now, if we could get him just for trading him further for other pieces (future orieneted - pics, players like DJ White etc.) and rule out he wouldn't cripple our draft chances next year, I would do it. But Lakers could trade him for such pieces themselves I guess, especially with this year xdraft picks involved. So after all this trade doesn't seem fit us very much. Well we can revaluate it if we win the lottery or something.