The 2013 Trade Thread II

[pointman]

Warriors fan here gauging interest in a hypothetical trade...

How do you feel about David Lee considering you need more scoring? I know his contract is prohibitive, but Bobcats have a lot of cap space with not many great, willing Free Agents chose to sign with them.

Do any of these trades float your boat?

Trade 1:
Lee for Sessions + Biyombo

Trade 2:
Lee for Sessions + Thomas + #4

[BeesWax]

Warriors fan here gauging interest in a hypothetical trade...

How do you feel about David Lee considering you need more scoring? I know his contract is prohibitive, but Bobcats have a lot of cap space with not many great, willing Free Agents chose to sign with them.

Do any of these trades float your boat?

Trade 1:
Lee for Sessions + Biyombo

Trade 2:
Lee for Sessions + Thomas + #4

I doubt we give up that much for him. I would love to pair him with Biyombo but not for the cost of the 4 with his salary and age. He is 30 and gets $14 mil next year and over 15 after that for two years. This seems like a salary dump by you guys and i doubt you get such high value for him. I would consider throwing Portlands future first and Taylor for him. So the second trade with Taylor and Portlands pick instead of #4. This way we can wait till FA and you don't have to take Thomas back.

[pointman]

I would consider throwing Portlands future first and Taylor for him. So the second trade with Taylor and Portlands pick instead of #4. This way we can wait till FA and you don't have to take Thomas back.

Would it be:
Lee for Sessions+Taylor+Portland's Future Pick

I don't know if the Warriors front office would do that, but I might. Sessions would be ideal for replacing Jack and we'd have more space to sign a longterm answer at PF once Landry opts out. We'd have mega capspace in 2014 as well.

Thanks for the response!

[BeesWax]

I would consider throwing Portlands future first and Taylor for him. So the second trade with Taylor and Portlands pick instead of #4. This way we can wait till FA and you don't have to take Thomas back.

Would it be:
Lee for Sessions+Taylor+Portland's Future Pick

I don't know if the Warriors front office would do that, but I might. Sessions would be ideal for replacing Jack and we'd have more space to sign a longterm answer at PF once Landry opts out. We'd have mega capspace in 2014 as well.

Thanks for the response!

I am not 100% that I would do the deal but I think it is closer to acceptable than the first two. It is still a lot of money to pay Lee as he gets older but pairing him with Biyombo and adding in a quality SG at 4 would make us a much better team.

[pointman]

...pairing him with Biyombo and adding in a quality SG at 4 would make us a much better team.

Totally agree with you. Lee seems like the perfect PF/C to pair with Biyombo and MKG. If you could get McLemore or Oladipoo at #4, that would be sweet....

PG: Walker
SG: McLemore
SF: Kidd-Glichrist
PF: Lee
C: Biyombo / Mullens?

Suck one more year to get another high pick in 2014 and you're on your way.

[HornetJail]

I would consider throwing Portlands future first and Taylor for him. So the second trade with Taylor and Portlands pick instead of #4. This way we can wait till FA and you don't have to take Thomas back.

Would it be:
Lee for Sessions+Taylor+Portland's Future Pick

I don't know if the Warriors front office would do that, but I might. Sessions would be ideal for replacing Jack and we'd have more space to sign a longterm answer at PF once Landry opts out. We'd have mega capspace in 2014 as well.

Thanks for the response!

I would do this. An All-Star power forward on a contract that isn't egregious for the cost of two backups and a future mid-round pick? Sign me up! The fit with the rest of the roster is terrific as well.

[doc.end]

Biz Gilwalker: Of course, Houston could and should prefer future pick I was just traing to point out them getting a first round pick this year is not a major issue as they can either trade it further (even for couple of second rounders if that's best they could get) or draft a player who they can convince not to sign with them this offseason (typically an Euro).

[doc.end]

I don't know I would prefer flexibility and keeping all picks over Lee with his contract. Not that he is done or bad but I guess we still hope we could do better when improving is up.

[pointman]

I don't know I would prefer flexibility and keeping all picks over Lee with his contract. Not that he is done or bad but I guess we still hope we could do better when improving is up.

Warriors were in your shoes for the longest time, in that no Top Free Agents would even consider signing with us. The only way we would be able to sniff an All-Star would be to trade or overpay for one.

A trade like this might be the best way to upgrade your team, IMO.

[BeesWax]

I don't know I would prefer flexibility and keeping all picks over Lee with his contract. Not that he is done or bad but I guess we still hope we could do better when improving is up.

Warriors were in your shoes for the longest time, in that no Top Free Agents would even consider signing with us. The only way we would be able to sniff an All-Star would be to trade or overpay for one.

A trade like this might be the best way to upgrade your team, IMO.

I agree but a lot of people are looking at 2014 as the year we could possibly draft a star if it works out. So waiting and using our picks to try to improve makes some sense.

[doc.end]

I don't know I would prefer flexibility and keeping all picks over Lee with his contract. Not that he is done or bad but I guess we still hope we could do better when improving is up.

Warriors were in your shoes for the longest time, in that no Top Free Agents would even consider signing with us. The only way we would be able to sniff an All-Star would be to trade or overpay for one.

A trade like this might be the best way to upgrade your team, IMO.

It may be still too early though. And of course it is not only about FAs, cap space can be filled by dumped contracts - an in these cases I prefer not to send any picks back. I get you that we may need TPEs and matching contracts to trade to get some bigger names instead of plain cap space.

[Nanogeek]

I offered this trade on the T&T board as a way to get KG to the Clippers that the NBA would approve.

LAC out Jordan, Butler, Green, Summers, future first rounder
LAC in KG, Terry, Thomas

BOS out KG, Terry
BOS in #4, LAC future first rounder

CHA in Jordan, Green, Summers
CHA out #4, Thomas

LAC lands KG and another scoring option in Terry. Rivers has a chance to try to rouse some talent out of Tyrus Thomas.

BOS clears $18m in cap space, lands a lottery pick and a future first rounder.

CHA converts a wildly overpaid non-contributor and a lottery pick into a somewhat overpaid immediate contributor to align with Biyombo while also getting a potential starter at the 2 spot in Green. All while not chewing up too much of CHA's cap space.

[BeesWax]

I offered this trade on the T&T board as a way to get KG to the Clippers that the NBA would approve.

LAC out Jordan, Butler, Green, Summers, future first rounder
LAC in KG, Terry, Thomas

BOS out KG, Terry
BOS in #4, LAC future first rounder

CHA in Jordan, Green, Summers
CHA out #4, Thomas

LAC lands KG and another scoring option in Terry. Rivers has a chance to try to rouse some talent out of Tyrus Thomas.

BOS clears $18m in cap space, lands a lottery pick and a future first rounder.

CHA converts a wildly overpaid non-contributor and a lottery pick into a somewhat overpaid immediate contributor to align with Biyombo while also getting a potential starter at the 2 spot in Green. All while not chewing up too much of CHA's cap space.

Not a fan of this because I have no desire to get Jordan. Just not at all what our team needs right now at his cost.

[Nanogeek]

Not a fan of this because I have no desire to get Jordan. Just not at all what our team needs right now at his cost.

I wouldn't use our cap space to get him but to swap the abomination that is Thomas' contract for a guy that is energetic, a great locker room presence, and can actually contribute - I'd be willing to pull the trigger on this. Losing the lottery pick hurts but if Olapido doesn't fall to us I think Jordan is as good as anything we could get otherwise. And we get Green to boot.

[BeesWax]

Not a fan of this because I have no desire to get Jordan. Just not at all what our team needs right now at his cost.

I wouldn't use our cap space to get him but to swap the abomination that is Thomas' contract for a guy that is energetic, a great locker room presence, and can actually contribute - I'd be willing to pull the trigger on this. Losing the lottery pick hurts but if Olapido doesn't fall to us I think Jordan is as good as anything we could get otherwise. And we get Green to boot.

We don't need to get a 30 year old SG and a way overpaid C. We could still amnesty Thomas one of the next two years if we need to, but if we get stuck with Jordan we can't do that anymore and could miss an opportunity.

[Nanogeek]

We don't need to get a 30 year old SG and a way overpaid C. We could still amnesty Thomas one of the next two years if we need to, but if we get stuck with Jordan we can't do that anymore and could miss an opportunity.

If you think Jordan will amnesty Thomas and pay him to not play then you must know something I don't. We don't need cap space. We got plenty of that. We need players that can contribute and have a good locker room presence.

[BeesWax]

We don't need to get a 30 year old SG and a way overpaid C. We could still amnesty Thomas one of the next two years if we need to, but if we get stuck with Jordan we can't do that anymore and could miss an opportunity.

If you think Jordan will amnesty Thomas and pay him to not play then you must know something I don't. We don't need cap space. We got plenty of that. We need players that can contribute and have a good locker room presence.

I will agree with that unfortunately we won't get any contributors to anything. They will both be gone and before we can do anything and we will have paid Jordan to be Diop.

[SpearNMgicHelmt]

Aren't we better off simply holding on to Tyrus, whether he plays or not, and then use his expiring 9 million dollar deal as a tradeable asset in 2014-2015? It's not like cap space is going to help us all that much until we're good enough for free agents to come here.

[JMAC3]

I know people are going to be against it, but I would think about trading the rights to Detroit pick for their pick this year and their second rounder.

I think a bird in the hand is worth two in the bushes and I would love to add two future starters to the roster and maybe land a nice bench piece in the second round....

At 4 we get one of Noel, McLemore, Oladipo, Len, or Bennett

Than at 9 depending on who we get at 4... McCollum, Bazz, KCP, Zeller, Adams, or Dieng

Then in the second we can just take a shot at somebody, and honestly we could get someone who could play some minutes..... especially some big like Muscala, Withey or Carmichael.

It would take some pressure off our 4th pick, we would rely less on FA, and summer league would be more entertaining....

I think I would cry tears of joy if we landed something like Len, McCollum and then Muscala.

Kemba- Sessions- McCollum
Hendo- McCollum- Gordon
MKG- Taylor
Biz- Muscala
Len- Haywood

[countryboi]

Here's some great information from over at the KFAN board, that I thought you guys would like to see:

Sorry it's been so long since my last little bit of info to spill, but to be honest, my connection, "Billy", has been swamped and I wasn't able to get through to him for a meaningfull chat until just last night.

Like always, you can take my info with a grain of salt. You don't have to believe a word I say because I understand some people on here (bits) just pull random sh*t out of their azz for attention. I on the other hand just happen to have a buddy who has access to info, one who I chit-chat from time to time about our beloved teams (we cellar dweller team fans gotta stick together).

Once again, take it for what you will, I'm only passing on info he has passed down to me through our conversations.

So without further ado.....

1) Bobcats still want cap space. Their main goal is to unload contracts to take a swing at a couple big Free Agents. They still feel the best way to do this is by way of dealing the #4 pick. However, with Clifford now on board it seems far less likely that the #4 pick would be moved as a salary dump. Clifford has his eyes on drafting a big, a point further drove home by his hiring of Patrick Ewing. It's looking far more likely that should Charlotte keep their pick it will be for Len (if available), Noel (also if available), or Zeller. "Billy" has let me in on how this effects our Wolves (read. 3).

2) Charlotte has gauged interest in moving in and trying to trade for DeAndre Jordon. They do realize that they really don't have much of interest to the Clippers, that they would be willing to give up. When asked what the Clips had interest in.....MKG. Which is not going to happen in the eyes of the Bobcats camp. And the Bobcats really don't have too much interest in Bledsoe, at least not to the point that they would be willing to part with MKG.

3) Bobcats have called the Wolves multiple times on multiple situations.

- going directly into the "drafting a big" talk, the Cats have talked to Minnesota about interest in a S&T for Pekovic. "Billy" couldn't let me in on too much but did give me some details. The talks centered around a "tossed around propasal" in the lines of a S&T Pek for a S&T Gerald Henderson and a/multiple future 1st rounder (possibly Portland's or Detroits). From what I was told talks were shot down, but the lines are still open to a modification of the deal depending on how the draft shakes out. Meaning if Minnesota drafts a big the lines of communication might have opened up with us maybe moving Pek and drafting his replacement. In a nutshell, Charlotte would love to get Pek, and would much rather tie it up nice and neat with a quick S&T, rather than having to make an offer and have his cap hold slow down their big plans in FA.

- There has been back and forth chatter about Minnesota moving up to the #4, but the Cats are asking for too much. The asking cost , if Minnesota isn't willing to take Tyrus Thomas, was Derrick Williams, #9, and #26.....waaaaay to rich for anyones blood, but these are the first chatters so you know everyone comes out with a less than appropriate offer. The point of it is, "if a team wants to trade up without taking on a bad contract, they have to pay....period". When I asked what it would take if we did take on Tyrus, he replied with a scenario of the #9 & #26. And maybe work out a deal later for Williams. Their thought process is, if you won't take Tyrus, we will give up the #4, but we want three pieces to rebuild with, D-Will, a big at #9 (Zeller or Adams, and a SG at #26. Actually pretty savvy on their part.

- There is still serious interest in Derrick Williams in the Bobcats' camp. As mentioned above, they would like him included in a deal, either for the #4 pick, or as another deal once the new season is official (July 1st). Once again the Bobcats keep baiting their hook with Gerald Henderson and/or one of Portland/Detroit's 1st rounders owed as ground to start talking trade.

4)All in all, Charlotte would like some scenerio where they quickly fill needs in the frontcourt and a replacement at SG for Hendo. Keep in mind they love Hendo, they just think he will demend too much and would prove to be a situation that would slow down their plans in FA. From talking to "Billy" he feels they would like a situation where they can draft/trade for a Center, trade for D-Will, and make another move to replace Hendo at SG with either a high draft pick (say McLemore or Victor with their #4) or deal for anotehr option.

5) Fall back plans for a SG would be Iggy if they strike out on Josh Smith, and they even have an interest in Eric Gordon, but only if other plans don't pan out.

Well, thanks for hanging in there and reading this "Wall-o-text"...once again I'm more than happy to share any little bit of info I get, and I'll make sure I pass on anymore if I get something worth passing on.

Hopefully I can get a little more info when it gets closer to the draft, but in all honestly it will more than likely be hard to get in touch with my buddy.

Found this lurking around the wolves board.