#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

Liver_Pooty · Post #1161 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:16 am

People get so mad when it comes to this guy, its kind of weird. Hes a fantastic guy and all, but wow.

Post #1162 » by **JDR720** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:19 am

Biz is probably still practicing in Africa, out jumping lions for rebounds, swatting flies out of midair to practice shot blocking. Practicing post defense vs hippos etc.

catch20two · Post #1163 » by **catch20two** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:20 am

I'm not mad. I just happen to view him differently than others. As the lone shot blocker of our team he was of good service to us last year. I might have to do a lookup to see how many backup Cs were more valuable. I hate when people try to act like Biz is a disgrace when that is far from the case.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1164 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:25 am

catch20two wrote:I'm not mad. I just happen to view him differently than others. As the lone shot blocker of our team he was of good service to us last year. I might have to do a lookup to see how many backup Cs were more valuable. I hate when people try to act like Biz is a disgrace when that is far from the case.

He definitely is no where close to a disgrace. Hes a fine young man. Im just merely saying he could've used the SL to get better, but he's helping kids right now so good for him.

As a fan though I wish he could've pushed it back and played

Post #1165 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:56 am

I think it's time we start accepting Biz for the player he is today and not for what we hope he will become. Let's face it, he has made only marginal improvements between the (reported) age of 18-21, a time when most players improve by leaps and bounds. expecting him to make big gains between the (reported) age of 21-24 seems a bit naive.

(spare me the narrative about his improvements, I know what they are and what they are not)

so if Biz is 21 or 25, it doesn't matter a lot to me. he is already a serviceable back-up worthy of keeping around. he will continue to make small improvements just from experience and wisdom.

vorbis · Post #1166 » by **vorbis** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:00 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
vorbis wrote:biyombo, like kemba walker, is ineligible for summer league. too much service time.

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Can you post a link about this? I've heard this before, but I've also seen players play in summer league that have been in the NBA for a few years. Last SL an announcer said that once you're in the league for 2 years you're ineligible, but Im not sure.

that's a good question. i think you can play in summer league on a tryout basis, if you're not currently on an NBA roster. if you're on a roster and you've accrued so many years (not sure how many) you're not eligible. i think. if i recall correctly, it was understood that last year was the last year that biyombo could play it? i poked around and couldn't find an official set of criteria. i also remember announcers talking about it. but you could be right? if biyombo's eligible i don't see why he wouldn't at least have the opportunity to play. he could easily schedule his camp outside of the summer league schedule. pretty sure he did his camp last year and did summer league as well.

Elden Payton · Post #1167 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:01 am

fatlever wrote:I think it's time we start accepting Biz for the player he is today and not for what we hope he will become. Let's face it, he has made only marginal improvements between the (reported) age of 18-21, a time when most players improve by leaps and bounds. expecting him to make big gains between the (reported) age of 21-24 seems a bit naive.

(spare me the narrative about his improvements, I know what they are and what they are not)

so if Biz is 21 or 25, it doesn't matter a lot to me. he is already a serviceable back-up worthy of keeping around. he will continue to make small improvements just from experience and wisdom.

I'm not accepting it.

23-25 is when most project bigs begin to show through.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1168 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:02 am

vorbis wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
vorbis wrote:biyombo, like kemba walker, is ineligible for summer league. too much service time.

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Can you post a link about this? I've heard this before, but I've also seen players play in summer league that have been in the NBA for a few years. Last SL an announcer said that once you're in the league for 2 years you're ineligible, but Im not sure.

that's a good question. i think you can play in summer league on a tryout basis, if you're not currently on an NBA roster. if you're on a roster and you've accrued so many years (not sure how many) you're not eligible. i think. if i recall correctly, it was understood that last year was the last year that biyombo could play it? i poked around and couldn't find an official set of criteria. i also remember announcers talking about it. but you could be right? if biyombo's eligible i don't see why he wouldn't at least have the opportunity to play. he could easily schedule his camp outside of the summer league schedule. pretty sure he did his camp last year and did summer league as well.

Derrick Williams and Delonte West are playing as a previous poster stated. He could have definitely played, and he could have used it.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1169 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:04 am

fatlever wrote:I think it's time we start accepting Biz for the player he is today and not for what we hope he will become. Let's face it, he has made only marginal improvements between the (reported) age of 18-21, a time when most players improve by leaps and bounds. expecting him to make big gains between the (reported) age of 21-24 seems a bit naive.

(spare me the narrative about his improvements, I know what they are and what they are not)

so if Biz is 21 or 25, it doesn't matter a lot to me. he is already a serviceable back-up worthy of keeping around. he will continue to make small improvements just from experience and wisdom.

I've been saying this for a year now. Hes a good rebounder, and shot blocker, but when you are going into your 4th year and still struggle to catch a post entry pass thats an issue. This upcoming year is his make or break year in my opinion. He has to show improvement on the offensive end.

vorbis · Post #1170 » by **vorbis** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:05 am

west isn't on a roster, but williams is. your guess is as good as mine. i know there are also team restrictions on how many veterans can be on a roster. 2 or 3, i think? and that would include zeller. still, that doesn't add up either.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1171 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:07 am

vorbis wrote:west isn't on a roster, but williams is. your guess is as good as mine. i know there are also team restrictions on how many veterans can be on a roster. 2 or 3, i think? and that would include zeller. still, that doesn't add up either.

Im about 90% certain he could have played this year, but its in the past by now. I wish he would have played, would have given Zeller a chance to play PF instead of being a full time C, which doesn't do him any favors since thats not what hes going to play for us anyway. Vonleh has been fouling at a ridiculous rate so there would have been plenty of minutes for all 3 of them.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #1172 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:18 am

vorbis wrote:west isn't on a roster, but williams is. your guess is as good as mine. i know there are also team restrictions on how many veterans can be on a roster. 2 or 3, i think? and that would include zeller. still, that doesn't add up either.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=truehoop&id=69829&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F%22%7D

He's playing for the Clippers

Post #1173 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:42 am

i've said this before - the only thing that will really help biz on the offensive end is a jump shot out to 15-18 feet. people hoping for post moves are delusional. its not happening. biz has such an awful feel for the game that he'll never develop reliable post moves. he has no idea how to counter or set up his man and no understanding of fakes. however, he can still improve greatly on his shot. he has decent form. shooting is the one thing that doesnt require much bball iq and something that you can improve when you are 21 or 25 or 35. it just takes practice and repetition.

in short, if you want to see biz improve, then pray for his jumpshot.

Post #1174 » by **Diop** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:11 am

fatlever wrote:I think it's time we start accepting Biz for the player he is today and not for what we hope he will become. Let's face it, he has made only marginal improvements between the (reported) age of 18-21, a time when most players improve by leaps and bounds. expecting him to make big gains between the (reported) age of 21-24 seems a bit naive.

(spare me the narrative about his improvements, I know what they are and what they are not)

so if Biz is 21 or 25, it doesn't matter a lot to me. he is already a serviceable back-up worthy of keeping around. he will continue to make small improvements just from experience and wisdom.

I agree with everything you've posted Fat's and your basketball knowledge is a lot more astute than mine, but can I please live in denial for another 12 months? I just want the dude to succeed.

Maybe after Jordan, Bill Murray and co. beat the Monstars we can sneak some of that stolen talent back into Biz?

Otherwise at the least we have an super athletic, strong defensive freak who with his work ethic should be able to develop a mid range shot. I get the feeling with Biz if you point to a spot on the floor and said "I want you to learn to shoot from their", he would grab a ball and spend the next 8 hours shooting from that exact spot, until you tell him to stop.

Eoghan · Post #1175 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:12 am

A) Why isn't MKG participating in SL? Could he not use these games to practice his new shot? Why isn't Taylor playing? Couldn't he use the games to work himself back into shape after his injury? In other words, why are we singling out Biz?

B) This is the first year to reasonably expect much out of Biz. It took Larry Sanders and countless other raw bigs 3 years to break out and it's widely acknowledged that Biz would take more time to develop than older, American bigs with college experience.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1176 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:16 am

BrotherDave wrote:A) Why isn't MKG participating in SL? Could he not use these games to practice his new shot? Why isn't Taylor playing? Couldn't he use the games to work himself back into shape after his injury? In other words, why are we singling out Biz?

B) This is the first year to reasonably expect much out of Biz. It took Larry Sanders and countless other raw bigs 3 years to break out and it's widely acknowledged that Biz would take more time to develop than older, American bigs with college experience.

Taylor just got cleared to play a week ago, of course he isn't going to play. MKG is in Vegas right now practicing with Price and the SL team working on his shot. His shot is in no way shape ready, of course. And no one is singling out Biyombo either, I was just merely stating that he could have used it to atleast try and better his offensive game.

My Lord You Biyombo die hards get so upset over absolutely nothing, its madness.

LamarMatic7 · Post #1177 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:41 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:Delonte West has played in 432 NBA games and is playing this year. I doubt there is a service time limit

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LamarMatic7 · Post #1178 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:47 am

catch20two wrote:He's above summer league. He was a solid backup last season. He definitely wasn't a detriment to our team. You guys just value points and graceful looking shots too much. Biz rebounded, he blocked shots, he altered shots, he set great screens, and he shot over 50%. He did his job.

haha, you acting all wise and as if you were above the rest of us.

I don't think anybody here expects "graceful looking shots" from Biz and I'm sure everybody here understands his value.

vorbis · Post #1179 » by **vorbis** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:00 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=truehoop&id=69829&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F%22%7D

He's playing for the Clippers

he's on the clippers SL roster but not their NBA 15-man. it's moot anyways because williams is on SAC's roster. so my point was obliterated.

doc.end · Post #1180 » by **doc.end** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:23 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:Africa is shady when it comes to age fraud. They do it in multiple sports(basketball, soccer, etc), through multiple countries in Africa(Senegal, Congo, Sudan, etc). There will always be cause for concern about a player's age when they hail from that continent. The extensiveness of the shadiness of falsified documents and medical reports is rampant. Just google it, it isn't hard to find. It is not stereotyping, it is not prejudice, it is not racist it is just a fact based on past experiences and evidence. A lot of it has to do with the poor record keeping, and documentation of human beings in the countries. Did this happen with Biz? I have no idea. I don't know how old he is. Zach Lowe doesn't know how old he is. NBA execs don't, hell our own doesn't which is probably evident on why Lowe didn't answer Lamar's last question. But speculation, and past instances lead to the belief that Biz just might not be 21. You just can't ignore everything you hear or believe. Especially when different instances have led to the result. You don't have to believe the rumor, but you should at least take it into account especially with other context clues involved. Our FO probably has more evidence or belief on this than anyone else. So to me it does say a lot that Lowe didn't respond. But, I will tell you this. If I was an exec, I would make my decision based on how old I thought he was, not how old it says he is just because of the issues in the past with athletes.
Biz might be 21, or he might be 23 or he might be 25, I don't know. You will never ever know how old he is, but in all honesty, that doesn't matter to me. With the way our franchise is going, he wouldn't be a Hornet after his rookie contract ends, and unless he makes HUGE strides this year I really don't believe he will be.

Well, rather countries who naturalizes them do it. Mainly chinese and the Arab ones (remeber the case few years back with ineligible player being drafted into nba in second round).