120 Guarantees: the Nic Batum thread

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I haven't noticed that Batum's usage in the offense has dipped that much. It's not a licit excuse for how bad he's been playing this season but it's something to consider when we look at his overall regression on offense

He does have something of a point. His usage percentage this year is only 17.4% vs 22.3% and 21.4% the two years previous. However he's had similar usage numbers in the past while at Portland and found other ways to contribute there. His True Shooting %, ORtg, and OBPM are at an all time low. That's more than just not being involved enough.

[Roll Tide 09]

Batum should be traded while he still has value.

[catch20two]

Batum should be traded while he still has value.

What value? Lol. But I’m in agreement that we need to find a way to trade him now because that contract only going to look uglier as he get deeper into his 30s and more apathetic.

I just don’t see it happening with Clifford still being the coach and Cho prolly not caring to do anything drastic knowing that he likely won’t be here beyond this season.

[Travers]

I still can't understand why the team and fans love Batum so much 2 years ago. Offering him near max instead of trying to keep Jeremy Lin and other pieces. Especially when the team loss 4 playoffs game with him and won 3 without him. Kemba and Lin combo in their first year had already been deadly, so bad cant keep them together. I am sure Lin would have stayed if the team offered half of Batum's salary and a starting role.

[catch20two]

I still can't understand why the team and fans love Batum so much 2 years ago. Offering him near max instead of trying to keep Jeremy Lin and other pieces. Especially when the team loss 4 playoffs game with him and won 3 without him. Kemba and Lin combo in their first year had already been deadly, so bad cant keep them together. I am sure Lin would have stayed if the team offered half of Batum's salary and a starting role.

I don’t think Hornets fans love Batum anymore. It’s more past tense as in loved.

A lot of fans and media pundits quickly grasped for Batum as the savior because of their love/hate relationship with Kemba. Many wanted to believe that Batum was the sole reason for the team playing better especially those that weren’t fond of giving Kemba that credit. Batum was criminally overrated by the Hornets front office and fans alike. I never was too big on him but he can be a solid contributor providing quality depth and versatility. We never should’ve gave him that contract. Some of us expected us to regret it almost immediately while others felt like he was worth it.

As far as Lin he only came here for the opportunity after he was kinda written off following his years in Houston. He only signed a 1-year deal below market value purposely to show teams what he got and get a big payday with a starting spot elsewhere the following year. Lin never was a realistic long-term plan for us even if we wanted him to be.

[Travers]

I still can't understand why the team and fans love Batum so much 2 years ago. Offering him near max instead of trying to keep Jeremy Lin and other pieces. Especially when the team loss 4 playoffs game with him and won 3 without him. Kemba and Lin combo in their first year had already been deadly, so bad cant keep them together. I am sure Lin would have stayed if the team offered half of Batum's salary and a starting role.

I don’t think Hornets fans love Batum anymore. It’s more past tense as in loved.

A lot of fans and media pundits quickly grasped for Batum as the savior because of their love/hate relationship with Kemba. Many wanted to believe that Batum was the sole reason for the team playing better especially those that weren’t fond of giving Kemba that credit. Batum was criminally overrated by the Hornets front office and fans alike. I never was too big on him but he can be a solid contributor providing quality depth and versatility. We never should’ve gave him that contract. Some of us expected us to regret it almost immediately while others felt like he was worth it.

As far as Lin he only came here for the opportunity after he was kinda written off following his years in Houston. He only signed a 1-year deal below market value purposely to show teams what he got and get a big payday with a starting spot elsewhere the following year. Lin never was a realistic long-term plan for us even if we wanted him to be.

This shows how bias people can be, even for the so called experts in the front office.

I agree that Lin signed here below market value for his career revival. But he really have no reason to leave Charlotte for Nets if Charlotte offered him a starting spot and 12M/year something contract. His friendship with the teammates and chemistry with Kemba had already put Charlotte in the prime position to retain him. Why leave a playoff contender for the worst team in the league and start all over again?

So sad it's a loss loss situation for both party as Lin might not have injured had he not left Charlotte.

[316Hornets]

I still can't understand why the team and fans love Batum so much 2 years ago. Offering him near max instead of trying to keep Jeremy Lin and other pieces. Especially when the team loss 4 playoffs game with him and won 3 without him. Kemba and Lin combo in their first year had already been deadly, so bad cant keep them together. I am sure Lin would have stayed if the team offered half of Batum's salary and a starting role.

I don’t think Hornets fans love Batum anymore. It’s more past tense as in loved.

A lot of fans and media pundits quickly grasped for Batum as the savior because of their love/hate relationship with Kemba. Many wanted to believe that Batum was the sole reason for the team playing better especially those that weren’t fond of giving Kemba that credit. Batum was criminally overrated by the Hornets front office and fans alike. I never was too big on him but he can be a solid contributor providing quality depth and versatility. We never should’ve gave him that contract. Some of us expected us to regret it almost immediately while others felt like he was worth it.

As far as Lin he only came here for the opportunity after he was kinda written off following his years in Houston. He only signed a 1-year deal below market value purposely to show teams what he got and get a big payday with a starting spot elsewhere the following year. Lin never was a realistic long-term plan for us even if we wanted him to be.

This shows how bias people can be, even for the so called experts in the front office.

I agree that Lin signed here below market value for his career revival. But he really have no reason to leave Charlotte for Nets if Charlotte offered him a starting spot and 12M/year something contract. His friendship with the teammates and chemistry with Kemba had already put Charlotte in the prime position to retain him. Why leave a playoff contender for the worst team in the league and start all over again?

So sad it's a loss loss situation for both party as Lin might not have injured had he not left Charlotte.

Hasn't Lin been injured multiple times since he left here? I don't think that is just random bad luck if so.

I'm still okay with the Batum's signing. It's obviously not a great value now due to the cap change, but if given the choice and not knowing cap increase was going to stall, I'd do it again.

For instance if cap was 110-115 and Max contract guys were getting like 35 mil/year next year and average guys were getting like 17 mil, then Batum's contract wouldn't be terrible. He is more of a luxury for us at this point but if we could trade MKG or Howard for some picks or better shooting, I think we could better utilize his skillset.

[DY_nasty]

i'd rather have lin injured on a moveable contract than batum on a max and marvin on overpaid role player duty

[316Hornets]

It could be worse. 2016-17 was the summer of bad deals. Conley and Biyambo come to mind. I'd rather have Batum than those deals. It really was about the cap increasing imo. We knew getting big name guys to sign here is low percentage so grabbing Batum was going to better set us up for success.

[Braggins]

Not sure if we could have offered Lin a starting role here. He and Kemba fit really well in certain situations and we would have had no problem giving him minutes, but he and Kemba are a bit too awkward of a fit as a starting back court. I think Lin really wanted a chance to lead a team as the PG.

Letting Lin and Batum walk and resigning Lee to be our starting SG on a mid level deal like he got from NY would have probably been the best route. Pretty sure Lee made comments at the time that he liked it here and was open to resigning, but NY offered him a solid deal and a starting job and we decided to commit to Batum instead.

[DY_nasty]

It could be worse. 2016-17 was the summer of bad deals. Conley and Biyambo come to mind. I'd rather have Batum than those deals. It really was about the cap increasing imo. We knew getting big name guys to sign here is low percentage so grabbing Batum was going to better set us up for success.

neither of those guys is as bad or untradeable as batum right now

even as horrible as deng is, the lakers aren't obligated to play him lol

i think everyone would be much more comfortable with batum declining if he wasn't such a douche about it too. this team has seen a lot of guys fall off. none of them has been as unlikeable, low effort, or petty as nic.

[Benjamin Linus]

That 2016 cap spike was by far the worst thing that has happened under Silver's watch (although those jersey advertisements are pretty f***ing garbage). Not only did it allow for Durant to join the Warriors but did he forget how dumb teams are when they're allowed to spend a ton of money all at once? I mean, it's a pretty long list of awful contracts that were handed out that year. Why wasn't a harder stance taken against a cap spike as opposed to a gradual increase? In the very least, Silver should find a way to bring back the amnesty clause ASAP.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Silver tried to get the cap jump phased in over a few years, instead of being just one big jump, but the Player's Union wouldn't agree to it. His offered deal was that they would still get the money, but that teams wouldn't all suddenly have tons of space. The Durant thing never would have happened if it had been done that way.

Amnesty clause was specific to the contract negotiations that they were a part of. Unlikely that we will see one again until the next CBA gets negotiated. What's more likely is that there will be another cap jump if something like the gambling deal takes place.

[Benjamin Linus]

Another cap spike? WTF is wrong with the NBA? It's just going to repeat itself. Some team is going to load up on stars and the rest of the league's going to hand out contracts they'll regret. The lack of power the NBA has isn't good for the fans.

[JMAC3]

In reality I don’t think Batum is worthless. if he hit the market today he would get something along lines that Evan Turner got. So he makes about 5-7 million too much.

He just is a bad fit on our team because we have don’t have enough scorers/stars. Ideally I think a team with a bunch of young scorers who are on a cheap deals where you are getting a ton of value batum is a great get.

He will be a guy we trade and then play really well for what they ask of him and we will look bad for trading him. Guarantee it.


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[catch20two]

It could be worse. 2016-17 was the summer of bad deals. Conley and Biyambo come to mind. I'd rather have Batum than those deals. It really was about the cap increasing imo. We knew getting big name guys to sign here is low percentage so grabbing Batum was going to better set us up for success.

If we didn’t have Dwight and Cody I’d be willing to trade Batum for Biz. Biz has contributed to more Magic wins this season than Batum has for us, has a higher PER, and one less year on his contract with a extra $5 million to spend on another solid player for depth.

[mrknowitall215]

Will Batum finish the season as the only starter with a negative net rating?

[catch20two]

Will Batum finish the season as the only starter with a negative net rating?

He’s been the worst starter all season whether the numbers reflect it or not. Second straight season he’s been more of a detriment to the team than a key component. To answer your question I’ll say yes because I don’t think you’ll get the type of effort out of Kemba, Dwight, or MKG that allowed Batum’s net ratings to stay afloat all season now that we’re out of the playoff race.

[BlackOutBuzz]

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[JDR720]

There is literally no point in him returning. if he gets hurt badly that screws any chance of trading him.