2013 NBA draft prospects chatter

Post #1181 » by **Diop** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:45 am

his leg looked bent to the side at about a 90 degree angle from knee

JT2006 · Post #1182 » by **JT2006** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:07 am

Sachmo wrote:his leg looked bent to the side at about a 90 degree angle from knee

yeah that didn't seem to be the case and you can't find such pictures anywhere on google either

amcoolio · Post #1183 » by **amcoolio** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:31 am

JT2006 · Post #1184 » by **JT2006** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:38 am

with the length of the shorts it's hard to tell just how awkward that is, but he's surely torn a tendon there somewhere.

in terms of draft, this wouldn't indicate any pathological weakness in his knee

amcoolio · Post #1185 » by **amcoolio** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:52 am

Its not as bad as Livingston's injury, which was a broken kneecap, which is nearly career ending. Its at the very least a torn ACL and MCL which means he won't be playing until next January. He will enter the draft though, because if he comes back to college and sucks, then he obliterated his NBA chances. He'll still be a lottery pick this year without playing any basketball/any workouts until the draft. The question is can we get him with Portland's pick in a trade up. That would be the only positive to come out of this.

He was really starting to turn it on too and would have been the #1 overall pick in my mind. It really does suck

Liver_Pooty · Post #1186 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:07 am

amcoolio wrote:Its not as bad as Livingston's injury, which was a broken kneecap, which is nearly career ending. Its at the very least a torn ACL and MCL which means he won't be playing until next January. He will enter the draft though, because if he comes back to college and sucks, then he obliterated his NBA chances. He'll still be a lottery pick this year without playing any basketball/any workouts until the draft. The question is can we get him with Portland's pick in a trade up. That would be the only positive to come out of this.

He was really starting to turn it on too and would have been the #1 overall pick in my mind. It really does suck

Way things are looking lately we may not even get Portlands pick this year.

countryboi · Post #1187 » by **countryboi** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:26 pm

I think Noel is going to be super undervalued now. the kid has to declare for the draft because who wants to rehab for free? and coming off a major knee injury like him there is no way anyone would take a chance on him in the top ten....i would give him a shot with the portland pick every day of the week

HornetJail · Post #1188 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:35 pm

Quincy Millers stock tanked after his ACL tear. He went from being a potential lotto pick, to being a second round pick stashed in the D-League. He won't be playing until well after next season starts, and its no doubt hell come to the NBA this year, but how far could he fall? I don't think he drops out of the lottery, but I said the same thing about QM last year.

SWedd523 · Post #1189 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:59 pm

Difference being that Quincy never played like a top pick to begin with while Noel has been in the #1 argument all year long.

Noel has some tangible aspects to his game that just about any team in the league would want to have, Quincy was kind of unspectacular. It's hard to speculate without knowing how serious his knee injury is, but assuming similar problems, he'll definitely be a higher pick

MasterIchiro · Post #1190 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:22 pm

I think LAL will leapfrog POR and leave us with the 13th pick.

Noel at 13 would be a coup.

But I could see Minnesota nabbing him before 13 and taking him on as a project if they can't fit Pek into their budget. Dallas could add him as a hedge against missing on Howard or Bynum.

I don't see Noel falling that far. Surely OKC would take him with the Raptors pick at 10 assuming the Raptors stay in that slot (I see them rising).

And what about the Miami Heat with Philly's pick at 12?

Ahead of the POR pick are several well-financed teams that can afford to swing for a home run.

amcoolio · Post #1191 » by **amcoolio** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:54 pm

Noel is going to be good. Real good. If its an ACL tear, then I would try my hardest to trade up to take him with our 2nd pick (if we get one). We can afford to wait on him to recover and he can probably sit out all next year.

BeesWax · Post #1192 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:56 pm

SWedd523 wrote:Difference being that Quincy never played like a top pick to begin with while Noel has been in the #1 argument all year long.

Noel has some tangible aspects to his game that just about any team in the league would want to have, Quincy was kind of unspectacular. It's hard to speculate without knowing how serious his knee injury is, but assuming similar problems, he'll definitely be a higher pick

Well Miller would have been a higher pick if he had not had to play a year after the injury. He was a lottery guy when he was still in high school. His problem was he was hurt in high school so he had to play on his knee a year after it happened. It takes time to come back from that. If Noel goes back for a year and is limited because of it he would fall too. If Miller had the hype around him he did in high school early last year and then blew out his knee he would have been mid first last year.

I think Noel is out for us now assuming a tear. But comparing him and Miller falters because Noel won't play again before he is drafted. Miller had to play and it showed that he was not all the way back. He will be a steal if his knee gets 100% and he get back on pace to what he was projected to be.

Post #1193 » by **fatlever** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:59 pm

unless he has some crazy bad damage to that knee, i dont think this will push him out of the top 8 and probably not even out of the top 5.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab--ner ... 03462.html

check out this craptastic article blaming david stern.

amcoolio · Post #1194 » by **amcoolio** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:01 pm

X-rays negative, wow. That is certainly good news.

countryboi · Post #1195 » by **countryboi** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:04 pm

amcoolio wrote:X-rays negative, wow. That is certainly good news.

how is that even possible unless his ligaments are made out of rubber?

James Gatz · Post #1196 » by **James Gatz** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:08 pm

countryboi wrote:
amcoolio wrote:X-rays negative, wow. That is certainly good news.

how is that even possible unless his ligaments are made out of rubber?

Well he plays like an athletic freak so would you really be that surprised?

More likely it's just the angle of the picture that made it look so bad. Are there still possibilites of an ACL or MCL injury that cannnot be picked up by x-ray but can by MRI?

SWedd523 · Post #1197 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:10 pm

countryboi wrote:
amcoolio wrote:X-rays negative, wow. That is certainly good news.

how is that even possible unless his ligaments are made out of rubber?

X Rays don't pick up ligament damage. All these negative X Rays say is that he has no broken kneecap or other bones. The MRI is going to be the one to reveal ay ACL, MCL, PCL damage

MasterIchiro · Post #1198 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:11 pm

Yes an x-ray is good for looking at bones while an MRI gives a more detailed view of ligaments and tendons. My guess by the looks of that scene is his knee is totally blown. ACL torn for sure. And it's a bad one.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1199 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:30 pm

^^what they said. I've had two ACL tears, and nothing came up on the original xrays. The MRI will tell you for sure, but I'm almost 100 percent sure it's at least an ACL with some meniscus damage.

countryboi · Post #1200 » by **countryboi** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:41 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
countryboi wrote:
amcoolio wrote:X-rays negative, wow. That is certainly good news.

how is that even possible unless his ligaments are made out of rubber?

X Rays don't pick up ligament damage. All these negative X Rays say is that he has no broken kneecap or other bones. The MRI is going to be the one to reveal ay ACL, MCL, PCL damage

damnit you are right...i knew that. i just assumed they did an MRI and read X-ray