#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

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Well, the age doesn't matter - if he had been tested for those bones open to grow thing, I don't care if he was the fitting age or a freak having those albeit few years older. Still physically developing. It's all about longevity at this point. Some people mature (physically) sooner, some later, it's not like he was Shabazz Muhammad picking on high school kids albeit being college age to stand out. He was always late bloomer, physical specimen from Africa, with great timing, it is not like he would outlearn others by studying the game longer quite the opposite.

Now, if he 5 years older, who cares if he declines 5 years later than others and plays 5 year longer than others. And his body seems to be taken care of and capable to do that.

[GoBobs]

Biz is already a very good player. They only thing his haters can say is maybe he wouldn't be a good if he wasn't playing such a limited role.

It isn't his fault we got Al Jefferson and his minutes went down. Biyombo's play merits more minutes based on the stats, both normal and advanced stats. If Biz put up the same stats as he did last year on a per minute basis, but played 35 minutes per game everyone would consider him a untouchable young talent, not just a good player, but an untradeable stud.

Even if he is 25 that is young for an NBA big man.

We could say every player in the league that isn't Lebron could be in summer league working on their game.

[fatlever]

biz is back in town

[hodgy#11]

A) Why isn't MKG participating in SL? Could he not use these games to practice his new shot? Why isn't Taylor playing? Couldn't he use the games to work himself back into shape after his injury? In other words, why are we singling out Biz?

B) This is the first year to reasonably expect much out of Biz. It took Larry Sanders and countless other raw bigs 3 years to break out and it's widely acknowledged that Biz would take more time to develop than older, American bigs with college experience.

A) If you're re-modelling your entire jumpshot the worst thing you can possibly do is start playing in-game too early.

Playing on the court is all about instincts, when he is playing he's going to overthink the jumper and play/shoot like crap, or worse yet, revert back to his old shooting style.

You guys have a rare gem of a young player who was an NBA ready defender from day 1. There's no reason why he should be doing anything other than solo shooting sessions until the new form becomes instinctual.

B) He'll want to break out in some way, he has 2 pretty talented kids who are super keen to steal his back up 5 minutes

[Eoghan]

A) Why isn't MKG participating in SL? Could he not use these games to practice his new shot? Why isn't Taylor playing? Couldn't he use the games to work himself back into shape after his injury? In other words, why are we singling out Biz?

B) This is the first year to reasonably expect much out of Biz. It took Larry Sanders and countless other raw bigs 3 years to break out and it's widely acknowledged that Biz would take more time to develop than older, American bigs with college experience.

A) If you're re-modelling your entire jumpshot the worst thing you can possibly do is start playing in-game too early.

Playing on the court is all about instincts, when he is playing he's going to overthink the jumper and play/shoot like crap, or worse yet, revert back to his old shooting style.

You guys have a rare gem of a young player who was an NBA ready defender from day 1. There's no reason why he should be doing anything other than solo shooting sessions until the new form becomes instinctual.

B) He'll want to break out in some way, he has 2 pretty talented kids who are super keen to steal his back up 5 minutes

A) Yes, the worst thing you can do if you're remodeling your jumpshot is to kick the tires on it during exhibition games where the end result doesn't matter. Save that for when the games count!

B) What two talented kids? The short armed white guy that falls down a lot and the kid struggling to score against SL scrubs? I doubt Biz is worried about his minutes at backup C since he's the only center on the roster after Jefferson.

Zeller will never play the 5 in the NBA (unless it's a tanking lineup) and Vonleh is a foul a minute.

[hodgy#11]

A) Why isn't MKG participating in SL? Could he not use these games to practice his new shot? Why isn't Taylor playing? Couldn't he use the games to work himself back into shape after his injury? In other words, why are we singling out Biz?

B) This is the first year to reasonably expect much out of Biz. It took Larry Sanders and countless other raw bigs 3 years to break out and it's widely acknowledged that Biz would take more time to develop than older, American bigs with college experience.

A) If you're re-modelling your entire jumpshot the worst thing you can possibly do is start playing in-game too early.

Playing on the court is all about instincts, when he is playing he's going to overthink the jumper and play/shoot like crap, or worse yet, revert back to his old shooting style.

You guys have a rare gem of a young player who was an NBA ready defender from day 1. There's no reason why he should be doing anything other than solo shooting sessions until the new form becomes instinctual.

B) He'll want to break out in some way, he has 2 pretty talented kids who are super keen to steal his back up 5 minutes

A) Yes, the worst thing you can do if you're remodeling your jumpshot is to kick the tires on it during exhibition games where the end result doesn't matter. Save that for when the games count!

B) What two talented kids? The short armed white guy that falls down a lot and the kid struggling to score against SL scrubs? I doubt Biz is worried about his minutes at backup C since he's the only center on the roster after Jefferson.

Zeller will never play the 5 in the NBA (unless it's a tanking lineup) and Vonleh is a foul a minute.

It's about avoiding going back to bad habits. If he spends the next 3 months before the season working on his jumper and going through the lumps of shooting struggles with the new form at training, it's certainly far more benefitial than playing against duds in summer leauge 1 month in to his re-jig of his shooting form.

Re the other two I don't even know what to say... I've heard of being a realist, but that just reads as flat out pessimism

[TheKingofSting]

When do we find out if Biz got sued?

Does he even know how to fight it?

[Liver_Pooty]

When do we find out if Biz got sued?

Does he even know how to fight it?

He most definitely got sued I believe. I guess his lawyer will handle it.

[Liver_Pooty]

Does anyone know where Biyombo ranked statistically with other rim protectors during the 2012-13 season? This article came out basically going into specific detail about the best rim protectors in the league, and although its been stated that Biyombo is the best in the league as far as percentage goes he was ineligible for this due to low minutes played. Was just curious as to how he did the last season he had starter minutes.

http://thechilltime.com/look-back-2014s ... rotectors/

[yosemiteben]

Re the other two I don't even know what to say... I've heard of being a realist, but that just reads as flat out pessimism

Don't worry, pessimism is BD's native tongue. After a while it gets endearing.

[BeesWax]

A) If you're re-modelling your entire jumpshot the worst thing you can possibly do is start playing in-game too early.

Playing on the court is all about instincts, when he is playing he's going to overthink the jumper and play/shoot like crap, or worse yet, revert back to his old shooting style.

You guys have a rare gem of a young player who was an NBA ready defender from day 1. There's no reason why he should be doing anything other than solo shooting sessions until the new form becomes instinctual.

B) He'll want to break out in some way, he has 2 pretty talented kids who are super keen to steal his back up 5 minutes

A) Yes, the worst thing you can do if you're remodeling your jumpshot is to kick the tires on it during exhibition games where the end result doesn't matter. Save that for when the games count!

B) What two talented kids? The short armed white guy that falls down a lot and the kid struggling to score against SL scrubs? I doubt Biz is worried about his minutes at backup C since he's the only center on the roster after Jefferson.

Zeller will never play the 5 in the NBA (unless it's a tanking lineup) and Vonleh is a foul a minute.

It's about avoiding going back to bad habits. If he spends the next 3 months before the season working on his jumper and going through the lumps of shooting struggles with the new form at training, it's certainly far more benefitial than playing against duds in summer leauge 1 month in to his re-jig of his shooting form.

Re the other two I don't even know what to say... I've heard of being a realist, but that just reads as flat out pessimism

Right now it is realistic. Zeller is not strong or long and won't be a center ever. His T-rex arms are to short to allow him to play the post defensively with any effect. His reach is almost half a foot below Biz. Vonleh while he has the length does not have the strength right now to hold position. He also badly needs to work on defensive discipline because he is a foul a minute.

[Liver_Pooty]

A) Yes, the worst thing you can do if you're remodeling your jumpshot is to kick the tires on it during exhibition games where the end result doesn't matter. Save that for when the games count!

B) What two talented kids? The short armed white guy that falls down a lot and the kid struggling to score against SL scrubs? I doubt Biz is worried about his minutes at backup C since he's the only center on the roster after Jefferson.

Zeller will never play the 5 in the NBA (unless it's a tanking lineup) and Vonleh is a foul a minute.

It's about avoiding going back to bad habits. If he spends the next 3 months before the season working on his jumper and going through the lumps of shooting struggles with the new form at training, it's certainly far more benefitial than playing against duds in summer leauge 1 month in to his re-jig of his shooting form.

Re the other two I don't even know what to say... I've heard of being a realist, but that just reads as flat out pessimism

Right now it is realistic. Zeller is not strong or long and won't be a center ever. His T-rex arms are to short to allow him to play the post defensively with any effect. His reach is almost half a foot below Biz. Vonleh while he has the length does not have the strength right now to hold position. He also badly needs to work on defensive discipline because he is a foul a minute.

Vonleh could definitely play center on down the road. But you're right, thats a couple years away.

[BeesWax]

It's about avoiding going back to bad habits. If he spends the next 3 months before the season working on his jumper and going through the lumps of shooting struggles with the new form at training, it's certainly far more benefitial than playing against duds in summer leauge 1 month in to his re-jig of his shooting form.

Re the other two I don't even know what to say... I've heard of being a realist, but that just reads as flat out pessimism

Right now it is realistic. Zeller is not strong or long and won't be a center ever. His T-rex arms are to short to allow him to play the post defensively with any effect. His reach is almost half a foot below Biz. Vonleh while he has the length does not have the strength right now to hold position. He also badly needs to work on defensive discipline because he is a foul a minute.

Vonleh could definitely play center on down the road. But you're right, thats a couple years away.

I think he will be best at PF but could spot minutes at C in the right match ups. Could also be a running small ball C too. Right now he would play 5 minutes before he fouled out at C. He just does not appear to have the lower body strength yet. But then again at 18 how many guys do. Biz needed lower body strength as did Dwight when they came in.

[Eoghan]

It's about avoiding going back to bad habits. If he spends the next 3 months before the season working on his jumper and going through the lumps of shooting struggles with the new form at training, it's certainly far more benefitial than playing against duds in summer leauge 1 month in to his re-jig of his shooting form.

Re the other two I don't even know what to say... I've heard of being a realist, but that just reads as flat out pessimism

I would entertain this more seriously if this was the first off season that MKG has been reconstructing his shot but it's not. They brought Price on board last year. He's had going on two off seasons plus a full season's worth of practices to develop new muscle memory. It's not like he shoots much at all in games as it is so there's no pressure to abandon any new form if the shots aren't falling b/c any made jumper is so rare it's found money already. At the rate you sound like you expect him to go by it sounds like we shouldn't expect passable shooting form until 2016.

For the second part, jdm and liver_pooty summed it up nicely. Zeller just doesn't have it to excel as a 5 and Vonleh is simply not ready yet. I think Vonleh is a PF/C ultimately. Doesn't really fit either classic position but needs to be moved here and there based on match up.

[GoBobs]

Does anyone know where Biyombo ranked statistically with other rim protectors during the 2012-13 season? This article came out basically going into specific detail about the best rim protectors in the league, and although its been stated that Biyombo is the best in the league as far as percentage goes he was ineligible for this due to low minutes played. Was just curious as to how he did the last season he had starter minutes.

http://thechilltime.com/look-back-2014s ... rotectors/

His opponents FG% at the rim was 38.8, on the chart he would be the player farthest to the right. He would be close to the bottom in terms of opponents attempts at the rim with around 4 attempts per game due to his low minutes played.

His blocks per game is not super high because he didn't play that many minutes, but in terms of block percentage he is top 5 in the league. (guys with extremely small sample size have been removed)

Block Percentage
1 A. Davis - 6.7
2 S. Ibaka - 6.7
3 Biyombo - 6.3
4 Birdman - 6.1
5 K O'Quinn - 5.8
6 Hibbert - 5.7
7 D Jordan - 5.4
8 Bogut - 5.2
9 Henson - 5.1

His blocks per 36 min numbers also put him top 5.

He is tied for 13th in terms of defensive rebound percentage. D Jordan and Bogut are the only other guys who are around the top 10 in both defensive rebound percentage and block percentage. Rudy Gobert would be included also but it's hard to trust his sample size of less then 500 min.

Biz is a better rebounder and has more strength to hold his position in the post then guys like A Davis, S Ibaka, and Birdman. He is much more mobile then other good rim defenders like Hibbert, Robin Lopez, and Brook Lopez (also not on the chart).

If you combine all the factors that constitute good interior defense, opponents fg% at the rim, block percentage, and defensive rebounding percentage, you can make a pretty solid argument that Biz is the best interior defender in the league (of course I will admit the same argument could be made for Gobert and his even smaller sample size). Combine that with his mobility in the pick and roll and he is a really special prospect.

Now stats don't tell the whole story and there are some things he needs to work on. His defensive awareness isn't all that and I agree with other posters who say he is sometimes out of position. When he gets matched up with a stretch buy like Bosh or Bargani he often gets caught sagging into the paint to much and gives up some open threes. Still a really good defensive player though.

[LamarMatic7]

If Biz put up the same stats as he did last year on a per minute basis, but played 35 minutes per game everyone would consider him a untouchable young talent, not just a good player, but an untradeable stud.

There's a reason why that is a huge "if" for all players who play limited minutes.

[yosemiteben]

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How can you not love Biz.

[SWedd523]

such narrow hips

[Stun704]

such narrow hips

His ass not phat enough brah?

[SWedd523]

such narrow hips

His ass not phat enough brah?

Gotta have booty to bang in the post brah