Defensive Reasons - The PJ Hairston Thread

euphorbus · Post #1181 » by **euphorbus** » Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:22 pm

Bonnell on Hairston, "Why P. J. Hairston Is the Hornets' Cameo Starter":

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article50584490.html

UNCNYC · Post #1182 » by **UNCNYC** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:50 pm

I am soooooooooooooooooooo proud of this kid. He is doing it all and with a swag. I NEVER thought he would be anything more than a shooter but he seems to be a solid passer and good at driving to the hole. He takes his shots but not too many. Just a solid player and might get a lil better. He is a better deal now than MKG and Lamb and Winslow. I wonder what he will sign for if we resign him

LamarMatic7 · Post #1183 » by **LamarMatic7** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:07 pm

UNCNYC wrote:I am soooooooooooooooooooo proud of this kid. He is doing it all and with a swag. I NEVER thought he would be anything more than a shooter but he seems to be a solid passer and good at driving to the hole. He takes his shots but not too many. Just a solid player and might get a lil better. He is a better deal now than MKG and Lamb and Winslow. I wonder what he will sign for if we resign him

you like his passing and driving abilities?

EwingSweatsALot · Post #1184 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:13 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
UNCNYC wrote:I am soooooooooooooooooooo proud of this kid. He is doing it all and with a swag. I NEVER thought he would be anything more than a shooter but he seems to be a solid passer and good at driving to the hole. He takes his shots but not too many. Just a solid player and might get a lil better. He is a better deal now than MKG and Lamb and Winslow. I wonder what he will sign for if we resign him

you like his passing and driving abilities?

UNCNYC · Post #1185 » by **UNCNYC** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:54 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
UNCNYC wrote:I am soooooooooooooooooooo proud of this kid. He is doing it all and with a swag. I NEVER thought he would be anything more than a shooter but he seems to be a solid passer and good at driving to the hole. He takes his shots but not too many. Just a solid player and might get a lil better. He is a better deal now than MKG and Lamb and Winslow. I wonder what he will sign for if we resign him

you like his passing and driving abilities?

Yeah I do.. I am referring to his last few games tho not all season but in the last few he has been good all around...

UNCNYC · Post #1186 » by **UNCNYC** » Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:55 pm

EwingSweatsALot wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
UNCNYC wrote:I am soooooooooooooooooooo proud of this kid. He is doing it all and with a swag. I NEVER thought he would be anything more than a shooter but he seems to be a solid passer and good at driving to the hole. He takes his shots but not too many. Just a solid player and might get a lil better. He is a better deal now than MKG and Lamb and Winslow. I wonder what he will sign for if we resign him

you like his passing and driving abilities?

BatumtheGlue · Post #1187 » by **BatumtheGlue** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:06 am

I really like what i saw from PJ in this few games. Now i want to see him to maintain it for the rest of this season. Go PJ!

HornetJail · Post #1188 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:54 am

UNCNYC wrote:I am soooooooooooooooooooo proud of this kid. He is doing it all and with a swag. I NEVER thought he would be anything more than a shooter but he seems to be a solid passer and good at driving to the hole. He takes his shots but not too many. Just a solid player and might get a lil better. He is a better deal now than MKG and Lamb and Winslow. I wonder what he will sign for if we resign him

Sounds like we should be preparing to trade MKG and Lamb and sign PJ to a max deal. I am sold.

UNCNYC · Post #1189 » by **UNCNYC** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:34 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:
UNCNYC wrote:I am soooooooooooooooooooo proud of this kid. He is doing it all and with a swag. I NEVER thought he would be anything more than a shooter but he seems to be a solid passer and good at driving to the hole. He takes his shots but not too many. Just a solid player and might get a lil better. He is a better deal now than MKG and Lamb and Winslow. I wonder what he will sign for if we resign him

Sounds like we should be preparing to trade MKG and Lamb and sign PJ to a max deal. I am sold.

Lol, U am not sure about all that.. but if he continues to do what hes been doing Lamb and MKG are definitely being overpaid. PJ seems to have a bit more potential than Lamb. I think he has more than MKG as well in that MKG seems to be someone who cant stay healthy. If he could stay healthy I think MKG would be a good player

sidestep · Post #1190 » by **sidestep** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:44 pm

The most efficient version of Lamb is one that plays more like PJ -- ie, getting shots in the flow of the offense instead of forcing the issue and over-dribbling to look for his own shot. But if both players end up playing like that, I'd rather have PJ. Lamb will probably never even be an average defender: he's too clueless on that end, is reluctant to get physical, and when he's burned, he just gives up instead of having the tenacity to recover. (I think it was two games ago that Lamb got burned on screens twice and each time, instead of recovering, he just figured the shot would go up and didn't bother to fight through the screen.) And on the offensive end, PJ is probably still more well rounded, in that he can play comfortably off the ball.

When MKG returns and takes over PJ's starting spot, I would like to see PJ put into Lamb's spot in the 2nd unit. That will remove the weak link in the defense at Lamb, and PJ's offense won't trail Lamb by much. Even tho PJ is is less highlight-reel than Lamb, PJ can be a more capable contributor within the structure of team offense.

Another way to say this is that the Spurs could take PJ and make use of him, while they wouldn't even try with Lamb.

The contract commitment to Lamb makes PJ's situation very iffy. But it's worth keeping in mind how few opportunities PJ has been given to show what he can do offensively. Lamb gets multiple plays run for him each game, while PJ gets none. That's not to say that PJ should get many plays run for him, but that the comparison between PJ and Lamb has been unevenly stacked to begin with.

phillycheese · Post #1191 » by **phillycheese** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:47 am

When PJ takes the most shots for your team in a game, it does not bode well. PJ needs to dial it back a notch. And be smart about those fouls when the shooter is behind the arc.

DY_nasty · Post #1192 » by **DY_nasty** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:11 pm

phillycheese wrote:When PJ takes the most shots for your team in a game, it does not bode well. PJ needs to dial it back a notch. And be smart about those fouls when the shooter is behind the arc.

Harden does that to anyone

but PJ getting shots like the other night really says how stagnant our entire starting unit has become. that mean's kemba's not creating and batum's not being assertive.

EwingSweatsALot · Post #1193 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:58 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
phillycheese wrote:When PJ takes the most shots for your team in a game, it does not bode well. PJ needs to dial it back a notch. And be smart about those fouls when the shooter is behind the arc.

Harden does that to anyone

but PJ getting shots like the other night really says how stagnant our entire starting unit has become. that mean's kemba's not creating and batum's not being assertive.

It also means he's open for a reason.

sidestep · Post #1194 » by **sidestep** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:11 am

Rockets give up 105.6 pts per game, which is the fourth worst in the league. I wouldn't read too much into who they leave open, such as PJ. They leave a lot of people open heh.

DY_nasty · Post #1195 » by **DY_nasty** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:13 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:
phillycheese wrote:When PJ takes the most shots for your team in a game, it does not bode well. PJ needs to dial it back a notch. And be smart about those fouls when the shooter is behind the arc.

Harden does that to anyone

but PJ getting shots like the other night really says how stagnant our entire starting unit has become. that mean's kemba's not creating and batum's not being assertive.

It also means he's open for a reason.

i'll never fault a guy for taking an open shot in this offense.

the problem is what's been going on for a while, and especially in the houston game - PJ Hairston is not our bailout shot guy, and its happened waaaaay too often recently. when things like that happen frequently, the blame has to go to the real driving forces on the team.... batum, kemba, even zeller now that he's starting need to be more assertive in the offense. al's gravity is gone. guys are going to get blitzed on the perimeter because the league is adapting to what we do.

if we pass the ball around in a circle and leave PJ with the ball - he's gonna shoot. that's not his fault. and these same misses are the ones that kemba was getting stuck with in previous years (just with a lot less dribbling)

EwingSweatsALot · Post #1196 » by **EwingSweatsALot** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:04 am

DY_nasty wrote:
EwingSweatsALot wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:Harden does that to anyone

but PJ getting shots like the other night really says how stagnant our entire starting unit has become. that mean's kemba's not creating and batum's not being assertive.

It also means he's open for a reason.

i'll never fault a guy for taking an open shot in this offense.

the problem is what's been going on for a while, and especially in the houston game - PJ Hairston is not our bailout shot guy, and its happened waaaaay too often recently. when things like that happen frequently, the blame has to go to the real driving forces on the team.... batum, kemba, even zeller now that he's starting need to be more assertive in the offense. al's gravity is gone. guys are going to get blitzed on the perimeter because the league is adapting to what we do.

if we pass the ball around in a circle and leave PJ with the ball - he's gonna shoot. that's not his fault. and these same misses are the ones that kemba was getting stuck with in previous years (just with a lot less dribbling)

I looked at since Al has been out.

PJ has shot 62 times and 9 are with the shot clock at 7 seconds or less(What nba.com deems late or very late). So 14.5% of his shots have been at that point. 6th on the team of guys that have over 50 FGA since Al has been out. The 5 in front of him are Zeller, Lin, Walker, Kaminsky, and Hawes.

In the same time, the team has attempted 150 shots with 7 seconds or less on the shot clock. 6.0% of them are his shots. Walker, Lin, Zeller, Lamb, Williams, Batum, and Frank are ahead of him.

So I don't necessarily think that since Al has been out he has ended up with the ball more than normal at those late times. He's not even been a top 5 option over the last 10 games or so.

I do agree with you that lately he has ended up with those shots. The last two games 6 of his shots have been taken with 7 ticks or less. Good for 33% of his shots. That's obviously nowhere near ideal. It's been just two games so hopefully that can be corrected.

I also agree with you about if you are open you have to shoot, I would just prefer him to not be the one shooting haha. He's shot well from 3 over the last 4-5 games or so, hopefully it keeps up, but we have a lot of data that shows it probably it won't. Never say never though.

DY_nasty · Post #1197 » by **DY_nasty** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:04 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:
EwingSweatsALot wrote:
It also means he's open for a reason.

i'll never fault a guy for taking an open shot in this offense.

the problem is what's been going on for a while, and especially in the houston game - PJ Hairston is not our bailout shot guy, and its happened waaaaay too often recently. when things like that happen frequently, the blame has to go to the real driving forces on the team.... batum, kemba, even zeller now that he's starting need to be more assertive in the offense. al's gravity is gone. guys are going to get blitzed on the perimeter because the league is adapting to what we do.

if we pass the ball around in a circle and leave PJ with the ball - he's gonna shoot. that's not his fault. and these same misses are the ones that kemba was getting stuck with in previous years (just with a lot less dribbling)

I looked at since Al has been out.

PJ has shot 62 times and 9 are with the shot clock at 7 seconds or less(What nba.com deems late or very late). So 14.5% of his shots have been at that point. 6th on the team of guys that have over 50 FGA since Al has been out. The 5 in front of him are Zeller, Lin, Walker, Kaminsky, and Hawes.

In the same time, the team has attempted 150 shots with 7 seconds or less on the shot clock. 6.0% of them are his shots. Walker, Lin, Zeller, Lamb, Williams, Batum, and Frank are ahead of him.

So I don't necessarily think that since Al has been out he has ended up with the ball more than normal at those late times. He's not even been a top 5 option over the last 10 games or so.

I do agree with you that lately he has ended up with those shots. The last two games 6 of his shots have been taken with 7 ticks or less. Good for 33% of his shots. That's obviously nowhere near ideal. It's been just two games so hopefully that can be corrected.

I also agree with you about if you are open you have to shoot, I would just prefer him to not be the one shooting haha. He's shot well from 3 over the last 4-5 games or so, hopefully it keeps up, but we have a lot of data that shows it probably it won't. Never say never though.

I mean... as long as we're all kinda on the same page about the whole thing lol

Another thing is that when a guy is missing potential assisted buckets, I'm "better" about the miss than an missed unassisted bucket - that implies that he's just out there doing his own thing, f'n around. Missing a good look is better than missing a bad look. But that's a whole other topic...

MasterIchiro · Post #1198 » by **MasterIchiro** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:52 pm

Sorry being gift wrapped a wide open three and blowing it squanders a possession vs a player not being set up getting his own shot. Anyways, PJ has played most of his minutes with the starters and he makes one out of every three shots (.333). The sample is ample.

He's not an NBA player, he's another Cho bust. And rightfully he doesn't have a guaranteed contract next year.

Post #1199 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:20 pm

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Well I guess we can say he hits shots in practice.

MasterIchiro wrote:He's not an NBA player, he's another Cho bust.

Just out of curiosity, what will it take for you to change your view on this?

HornetJail · Post #1200 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:33 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Sorry being gift wrapped a wide open three and blowing it squanders a possession vs a player not being set up getting his own shot. Anyways, PJ has played most of his minutes with the starters and he makes one out of every three shots (.333). The sample is ample.

He's not an NBA player, he's another Cho bust. And rightfully he doesn't have a guaranteed contract next year.

and that's after a hot stretch of games where he's played well. I honestly wish we had him under contract at $1M next year because this stretch has given me a little bit of hope that he can salvage his NBA career. He's shooting 23-57from three in 13 December games- that's a 40% clip. I have a hard time believing he'll play like this the rest of the season, but if he does, declining his third year option may be a bit of a mistake in hindsight.

If he reverts back to what he's done in the rest of his young career, then forget about it.