Fake Trade Thread 2

[MasterIchiro]

Huh? CP is a prolific passer who can put the ball in the hands of Doncic, making him that much more deadly. Think you're getting him confused with Smith Jr who is ball dominant but can't pass nor shoot and has a b-ball IQ that doesn't sniff CPs balls

[Lwcasu]

If we can make a salaries work, and off load Batum, we can probably get Adams if we take CP3. I’d include Monk as I’m not sure he fits with this club.

Paul/Rozier/Graham
Bacon/Rozier
Bridges/Kubolka
PJ/Kubolka
Adams/Zeller/Willy

That lineup looks enticing. Paul will decline, but it actually may be a better team than last year. We keep our picks too and maybe we can grab one from OKC in the deal. Rozier would probably still play 25+ minutes in this lineup and start a handful of games when CP3 goes down.

Just gotta say Adams is probably one of my top 5 favorite players so I’m very biased in this deal.

[MasterIchiro]

Rozier a 19 mil backup + Paul at 34 making 38 million is worse than Kemba on a Supermax. Plus we give away Monk for a top worst contract.

[MasterIchiro]

2020 free agent class is weak, the 2021 free agent class is strong. We would have Batum, Cody, THJ, and Adams all expiring creating a TON of cap space for 2021.

This is the key to my deal here. It accelerates the rebuild and keeps us competitive and preserves long term assets. It helps the Mavs set up a dynamic of CP - Doncic - Porzingis and it helps OKC out of short and long term tax/cap issues.

[JDuaneWayne]

MKG would be a great fit for Houston. I don’t even know what they have anymore since they’re roster has turned over so much.

[Lwcasu]

Rozier a 19 mil backup + Paul at 34 making 38 million is worse than Kemba on a Supermax. Plus we give away Monk for a top worst contract.

I’m not sure Monk has value. Maybe worth an early 2nd?

[MasterIchiro]

Rozier a 19 mil backup + Paul at 34 making 38 million is worse than Kemba on a Supermax. Plus we give away Monk for a top worst contract.

I’m not sure Monk has value. Maybe worth an early 2nd?

I'm not sure the Hornets let Kemba go for 35 mil so they could overextend to 60 million annual, nearly double the outlay to the PG position while giving away Monk. Not to mention Paul is old AF

[Lwcasu]

Rozier a 19 mil backup + Paul at 34 making 38 million is worse than Kemba on a Supermax. Plus we give away Monk for a top worst contract.

I’m not sure Monk has value. Maybe worth an early 2nd?

I'm not sure the Hornets let Kemba go for 35 mil so they could overextend to 60 million annual, nearly double the outlay to the PG position while giving away Monk. Not to mention Paul is old AF

Well it wouldn’t surprise me. I think they thought they could get Kemba back cheap and then ended up lowballing him. They weren’t expecting to lose him. Basically, they weren’t planning to rebuild. So, it wouldn’t surprise me if they go after CP3.

[Chapelchilla]

I am pretty sure signing Rozier for 58 million is a sign we are not adding another high dollar point guard. I am a-ok with trading expirings for Adams though.
Still- I THINK that I think we should just go ahead and ride out the bad contracts while playing up tempo but losing basketball with our young guys starting. Take the pain and garner a couple of high picks in the lottery for 2 seasons. Get even more picks at the deadline by trading our 2019/20 expirings for players on one more year bad deals. Wait until Batum and Zeller or Adams and whoever else we traded for all expire in 2021. With tons of cap space and some good young talent we can hopefully actually build a real winner then.
I hope Mitch and MJ have that as an actual plan and can stick to it. I think that is our best shot. No more trying to win 35-45. Go for the Championship even if we suffer a bit first.

[Splitta]

Mavs
Chris Paul

OKC
Biz expiring
Marvin expiring
MKG expiring
Courtney Lee expiring

Hornets
Tim Hardaway Jr. (2 yrs)
Steven Adams (2 years)

I would do that deal in a heartbeat and dance in the street...lol....however OKC would not want our trash and I don't blame them. Good try!!

[Splitta]

Mavs
Chris Paul

OKC
Biz expiring
Marvin expiring
MKG expiring
Courtney Lee expiring

Hornets
Tim Hardaway Jr. (2 yrs)
Steven Adams (2 years)

I would do that deal in a heartbeat and dance in the street...lol....however OKC would not want our trash and I don't blame them. Good try!!

[BigSlam]

ugh, i hope Dallas don't do that

Why would they?

They want the ball in Doncic's hands, not out of it. Adding Paul would take the ball away from Doncic.

It's a terrible, terrible trade idea for the Mavs.

Paul, when healthy, is still a really good player. Jason Kidd helped Dallas win a title and he was traded there at the same age as Paul while being not as good.

It's not like Doncic can run every possession anyway.

The "when healthy" statement is an interesting and accurate one - and yet another reason why trading Paul to the Mavs is just a terrible suggestion. Plus Paul is a terrible defender, especially now he is past his prime.

There is a reason why he and Harden didn't work well - both need the ball. I can't see why the Mavs would want the same problem with Paul and Doncic.

That's why Walker would have been so good in Dallas. He can play off the ball.

Paul to Dallas is just a really, really awful idea.

[Rays Pompadour]

I think the Hornets let it ride.

The front office hasn't shown itself to be progressive, so why would we expect anything else. The competitor in me wants the franchise to leap into fantasy basketball and do something edgy, radical, risky. But the bed has been made.

The strategy should be to ride out the bad contracts, take advantage of good deals as they develop and prepare for a long-game rebuild. And to stay as young as possible. It ain't a sexy way to do business, but it's why the Hornets aren't going after Wiggins and Love and Paul.

One key lesson that MUST be learned, though...call it the Bob Bass syllabus: evaluate talent and, with relative dispassion, trade for assets or sign for future production on the appropriate schedule.

So, fake trade question: with all these up-coming expirings, would Charlotte benefit more from trades for assets or gain the benefit of cap space as the contracts expire? If trade, whom among league squads would benefit most from owning an expiring contract and what return should the Hornets expect? Concurrently, WHEN should Charlotte target these types of trades to maximize the return?

[316Hornets]

I think the Hornets let it ride.

The front office hasn't shown itself to be progressive, so why would we expect anything else. The competitor in me wants the franchise to leap into fantasy basketball and do something edgy, radical, risky. But the bed has been made.

The strategy should be to ride out the bad contracts, take advantage of good deals as they develop and prepare for a long-game rebuild. And to stay as young as possible. It ain't a sexy way to do business, but it's why the Hornets aren't going after Wiggins and Love and Paul.

One key lesson that MUST be learned, though...call it the Bob Bass syllabus: evaluate talent and, with relative dispassion, trade for assets or sign for future production on the appropriate schedule.

So, fake trade question: with all these up-coming expirings, would Charlotte benefit more from trades for assets or gain the benefit of cap space as the contracts expire? If trade, whom among league squads would benefit most from owning an expiring contract and what return should the Hornets expect? Concurrently, WHEN should Charlotte target these types of trades to maximize the return?

The expirings may be worth more to us than other teams. I wouldn't oppose just letting them fall off. Maybe we'd be in the position to trade a 2019/20 expiring for a 2020/21 expiring, but there may just not be a good enough offer there. Kupchak probably wants to just get rid of all Cho's bad moves without adding on to them.

[MasterIchiro]

Mavs
Chris Paul

OKC
Biz expiring
Marvin expiring
MKG expiring
Courtney Lee expiring

Hornets
Tim Hardaway Jr. (2 yrs)
Steven Adams (2 years)

I would do that deal in a heartbeat and dance in the street...lol....however OKC would not want our trash and I don't blame them. Good try!!

Oh me too. It's a great deal for us, locking in a primary scorer and anchor rebounder/defender for our junk, while not tying up cap beyond Batum + Cody commitments. But don't sell the deal short for OKC.

OKC would be turning Westbrook into 2 first + 2 swaps + expirings. It's been announced they're already looking to redirect Paul, an indication they want out of the contract.

I would assume most teams won't give OKC prospects or picks for Paul, so we're looking at expirings as fair market value. Gun to my head, I include the Cavs pick.

What options does Dallas have? Certainly Seth Curry was not plan A.

[BlackOutBuzz]

What options does Dallas have? Certainly Seth Curry was not plan A.

Per Cuban, Kemba was actually plan A, but Delon Wright was "the next call we made." Guess they see Seth as a backup and/or a 2.

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[Lwcasu]

Why would they?

They want the ball in Doncic's hands, not out of it. Adding Paul would take the ball away from Doncic.

It's a terrible, terrible trade idea for the Mavs.

Paul, when healthy, is still a really good player. Jason Kidd helped Dallas win a title and he was traded there at the same age as Paul while being not as good.

It's not like Doncic can run every possession anyway.

The "when healthy" statement is an interesting and accurate one - and yet another reason why trading Paul to the Mavs is just a terrible suggestion. Plus Paul is a terrible defender, especially now he is past his prime.

There is a reason why he and Harden didn't work well - both need the ball. I can't see why the Mavs would want the same problem with Paul and Doncic.

That's why Walker would have been so good in Dallas. He can play off the ball.

Paul to Dallas is just a really, really awful idea.

I wouldn’t call Chris Paul a bad defender. He was named nba all defensive teams 9 times 7 first and 2 2nds) the last time being 2017. I can understand if you want to say he’s not as good now, but the guy was feisty and still an extremely smart defender. You don’t get those awards if you suck.

[cornchip]

Why would they?

They want the ball in Doncic's hands, not out of it. Adding Paul would take the ball away from Doncic.

It's a terrible, terrible trade idea for the Mavs.

Paul, when healthy, is still a really good player. Jason Kidd helped Dallas win a title and he was traded there at the same age as Paul while being not as good.

It's not like Doncic can run every possession anyway.

The "when healthy" statement is an interesting and accurate one - and yet another reason why trading Paul to the Mavs is just a terrible suggestion. Plus Paul is a terrible defender, especially now he is past his prime.

There is a reason why he and Harden didn't work well - both need the ball. I can't see why the Mavs would want the same problem with Paul and Doncic.

That's why Walker would have been so good in Dallas. He can play off the ball.

Paul to Dallas is just a really, really awful idea.

Paul and Harden didn't work?

The Rockets were 89-27 when they were on the floor together. 17-11 in the playoffs (8 of the losses came to the GSW).

Not sure how that's not working.

[JDuaneWayne]

People mad about treadmilling but every big name that comes available we’re throwing our hat in the ring to get them lol

If we can get players with what we have to offer, there is a reason. There comes a point where if you’re lucky you find a need to consolidate talent, we aren’t close to that. Let the pain in and hope the team as currently constructed is at least fun to watch and if they lose a lot we don’t have a lot of drama.

Embrace the suck...

[-Ian-]

What options does Dallas have? Certainly Seth Curry was not plan A.

Per Cuban, Kemba was actually plan A, but Delon Wright was "the next call we made." Guess they see Seth as a backup and/or a 2.

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Where did Cuban say that? It would've been better if Kemba went to Dallas. His departure would be easier to stomach and I believe their younger players are better than Boston.