The Bismack Biyombo Thread II

MasterIchiro · Post #121 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:31 am

Flip Murray wrote:
Braggins wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Can't have MKG and Biz in the same lineup. Even Cody and MKG is a stretch (no pun intended).

The second best lineup by +/- last season had MKG and Biz in it.

but that's not the "modern NBA" did you not see the warriors?

Ezili is an easy pickup end of drafts.

Biz has the feel for the game and the awareness of a 16 year old American behind his peers.

MasterIchiro · Post #122 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:32 am

HornetsOz wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Good offense is beating good defense.

Elite offense will. 'Good' won't and we are yet to see or reach good.

Hawks were up there as well. No Curry.

Flip Murray · Post #123 » by **Flip Murray** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:35 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
HornetsOz wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Good offense is beating good defense.

Elite offense will. 'Good' won't and we are yet to see or reach good.

Hawks were up there as well. No Curry.

Atlanta had a top 10 defense too.

The thing you want is a top 10 offense and a top 10 defense. That's still the formula for winning.

MasterIchiro · Post #124 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:38 am

Flip Murray wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
HornetsOz wrote:
Elite offense will. 'Good' won't and we are yet to see or reach good.

Hawks were up there as well. No Curry.

Atlanta had a top 10 defense too.

The thing you want is a top 10 offense and a top 10 defense. That's still the formula for winning.

We can have a top 10 defense without Biz. Our wings are great defenders. Cody is becoming a strong defender. We have guys who hustle. We have higher IQ now. We have MKG. Even our potential 6th man has decent length (Lamb) and size (PJ).

Braggins · Post #125 » by **Braggins** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:38 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
Braggins wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Can't have MKG and Biz in the same lineup. Even Cody and MKG is a stretch (no pun intended).

The second best lineup by +/- last season had MKG and Biz in it.

Plus-minus, really Braggins?

What? its relevant for lineups. The 5-man lineup that outscored opponents by the second most points last season contained both MKG and Biz. You claimed that they can't play in the same lineup, but Kemba, Hendo, MKG, Marv, and Biz, outscored opponents by 38 points in less than 60 minutes of floor time. If that lineup had some success then there is no reason to think that Kemba, Batum, MKG, Frank, and Biz, couldn't be a workable lineup. We'll never know, but I think that lineup is better than the actual starting lineup Cliff will roll with this season.

MasterIchiro · Post #126 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:41 am

Look, the bottom line is CHO's project went BUST. It's official now. Cho picked him at SEVEN ahead of KLAY THOMPSON and lost him for NOTHING. Maybe the Warriors should have offered Ezili for him. Nah.

Braggins · Post #127 » by **Braggins** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:41 am

yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Can't have MKG and Biz in the same lineup. Even Cody and MKG is a stretch (no pun intended).

The second best lineup by +/- last season had MKG and Biz in it.

There was nothing about last season that we should look to replicate.

I didn't say to replicate the lineup. I just disagree with the notion that MKG and Biz can't be played in the same lineup. The lineup in question had Marv at PF and Hendo at SG and still saw success. Replace Hendo with Batum and Marv with Kaminsky and you might of had a damn good starting unit.

Braggins · Post #128 » by **Braggins** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:44 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Look, the bottom line is CHO's project went BUST. It's official now. Cho picked him at SEVEN ahead of KLAY THOMPSON and lost him for NOTHING. Maybe the Warriors should have offered Ezili for him. Nah.

You are using the fact that Cho CHOSE to let him walk for nothing as proof that he is a bust. That logic doesn't really follow and only proves that Cho sucks at managing assets. You focus way too much on where he was drafted and let it skew your opinion of him. Biz was our best big last season. It doesn't matter how many spots too high he was drafted. A players value isn't determined relative to their draft position. Value is static.

MasterIchiro · Post #129 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:46 am

Cho's picks

Biz - picked 7, lost for nothing
Zeller - picked 4, not worth 1 year of Batum
Vonleh - picked 9, traded for 1 year of Batum
Kemba - MJ's pick?
Kaminsky - picked over Winslow, Booker
MKG - picked 2 over Beal

MasterIchiro · Post #130 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:47 am

Cho sucks at drafting. He really does.

Good luck to Biz.

Flip Murray · Post #131 » by **Flip Murray** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:51 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Cho's picks

Biz - picked 7, lost for nothing
Zeller - picked 4, not worth 1 year of Batum
Vonleh - picked 9, traded for 1 year of Batum
Kemba - MJ's pick?
Kaminsky - picked over Winslow, Booker
MKG - picked 2 over Beal

MKG is better than Beal but that's off topic.

SpearNMgicHelmt · Post #132 » by **SpearNMgicHelmt** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:53 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Cho's picks

Biz - picked 7, lost for nothing
Zeller - picked 4, not worth 1 year of Batum
Vonleh - picked 9, traded for 1 year of Batum
Kemba - MJ's pick?
Kaminsky - picked over Winslow, Booker
MKG - picked 2 over Beal

This type of analysis gets even more depressing when you extend back to the beginning of the Bobcats. Most of our draft picks have either left for nothing or been traded for things that ultimately lead to nothing.

Braggins · Post #133 » by **Braggins** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:55 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Cho's picks

Biz - picked 7, lost for nothing
Zeller - picked 4, not worth 1 year of Batum
Vonleh - picked 9, traded for 1 year of Batum
Kemba - MJ's pick?
Kaminsky - picked over Winslow, Booker
MKG - picked 2 over Beal

Ugh, that is some Cleveland Cavalier level drafting. I used to use the Noel injury excuse for the Zeller pick, but after Kaminsky I'm convinced we were taking Zeller no matter what happened in that draft. Kemba and MKG were pretty good picks, but its hard to whiff on a 2nd overall pick and most people still aren't sold on Kemba...

driveandkick · Post #134 » by **driveandkick** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:56 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Cho's picks

Biz - picked 7, lost for nothing
Zeller - picked 4, not worth 1 year of Batum
Vonleh - picked 9, traded for 1 year of Batum
Kemba - MJ's pick?
Kaminsky - picked over Winslow, Booker
MKG - picked 2 over Beal

None of these are homeruns but the only bad pick for certain right now is Biz. Zeller is gonna be a solid NBA player and that was a weak draft, we have no idea about Vonleh - we could have made out like bandits in that deal for all we know. Batum is gonna make us a lot better. This is a big year for Kemba, but there's still no reason to believe he won't be an above average PG in the league for years to come. He was having a good season before that injury last year. Kaminsky hasn't even played a second of summer league yet, ridiculous to already make it out like he's a bad pick. MKG is better than Beal.

Only surefire bad pick so far is Bizz.

Post #135 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:00 am

Braggins wrote:The lineup in question had Marv at PF and Hendo at SG and still saw success. Replace Hendo with Batum and Marv with Kaminsky and you might of had a damn good starting unit.

We were last in the league in 3PT%. We had terrible offensive efficiency. We need something drastic done.

I will judge this move, like all the others, on their merits when I see how it all shakes out next season. I am excited about this new direction.

I wish we had extended the QO to Biz, but, like I've already said, I don't think it impacts significantly either way next season. We'll see what kind of offers he gets this offseason and how he does and we do next season.

Liver_Pooty · Post #136 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:02 am

This isn't that big of a deal as far as on the court performance. He was a great dude though.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #137 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:04 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Cho's picks

Kemba - MJ's pick?
Kaminsky - picked over Winslow, Booker
MKG - picked 2 over Beal

So we're gonna point out Beal and a pair of rookies, but completely gloss over that Kemba was drafted over Klay, Kawhi, and Jimmy Butler?

BeesWax · Post #138 » by **BeesWax** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:07 am

BlackOutBuzz wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Cho's picks

Kemba - MJ's pick?
Kaminsky - picked over Winslow, Booker
MKG - picked 2 over Beal

So we're gonna point out Beal and a pair of rookies, but completely gloss over that Kemba was drafted over Klay, Kawhi, and Jimmy Butler?

Also fails to point out MKG is far better than Beal and Frank screams anyone but Cho made the call.

Bizmack monster · Post #139 » by **Bizmack monster** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:07 am

Only reason Biz was a bad pick is because he wasn't given at least 20 min per game to shine. When he got 20 plus min per game he did shine and so did the team. We drafted him saying he was a 3-4 year project. He improved a bunch in 3 years then we give up on him. Stupid decision
We have no shot blocker now and no chance at top 10 def.

Flip Murray · Post #140 » by **Flip Murray** » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:14 am

BlackOutBuzz wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:Cho's picks

Kemba - MJ's pick?
Kaminsky - picked over Winslow, Booker
MKG - picked 2 over Beal

So we're gonna point out Beal and a pair of rookies, but completely gloss over that Kemba was drafted over Klay, Kawhi, and Jimmy Butler?

wouldn't fit the narrative. That's the problem with analyzing draft picks in retrospect, you can always twist it to fit whatever narrative you want. Especially in a front office where there is some question as to who is making decisions, just pin all the bad picks on the guy you don't like and say the good picks were the guy you like's decision.